=Enough Is Enough=

Köi-Lö wrote:

snipped nonsense by any sense of the word


Reality check!

Stop the ****ing nonsense. This is a newsgroup related to MISCELLANEOUS
fish keeping interests. Specific newsgroups, like goldfish are abound.
Six at last count.

You're bickering like a 10 year old...and for what?

What does it serve? More importantly- Who does it serve?

Your constant defensive postures lead to chaos and disorder every time.
If someone has great experience in a certain area, you challenge that
experience with on-topic questions. Character references and usenet
practices are not on-topic, to say the least.

Your expertise, as I understand it is goldfish. Your posting efforts
are (by any psychological definition) should pertain to questions
regarding proper stewardship of the goldfish subjects.

Don't post about trolls and trolling here. There's a newsgroup for
that. Alt.troll and its variants. I'm convinced that RAFM, PONDS &
GARDENS wouldn't have the noise levels now.

Throw the damn computer away. Stay off usenet. You've become infected
with the malicious style of usenet, and as such, your participation
contributes to its demise. There is no freedom without moral law.
Figure life out yourself at your own pace. Do not attempt to educate
the masses. Go out from among them and be ye separate.

If my participation adds to the problem, you can bet I'll be gone in the
blink of an eye.


Do not live in usenet.
Go to the kitchen.
Go shopping.
Mend the garden.
Mend the socks.
Start a volunteer group.
Start another hobby.

These past two weekends have shown us that you just won't let a dead
subject lay to rest. Stop getting in a twist about others' opinions.

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« Grìffîñ » wrote:
Köi-Lö wrote:

snipped nonsense by any sense of the word


Reality check!

Stop the ****ing nonsense. This is a newsgroup related to MISCELLANEOUS
fish keeping interests. Specific newsgroups, like goldfish are abound.
Six at last count.

You're bickering like a 10 year old...and for what?

What does it serve? More importantly- Who does it serve?

Your constant defensive postures lead to chaos and disorder every time.
If someone has great experience in a certain area, you challenge that
experience with on-topic questions. Character references and usenet
practices are not on-topic, to say the least.

Your expertise, as I understand it is goldfish. Your posting efforts
are (by any psychological definition) should pertain to questions
regarding proper stewardship of the goldfish subjects.

Don't post about trolls and trolling here. There's a newsgroup for
that. Alt.troll and its variants. I'm convinced that RAFM, PONDS &
GARDENS wouldn't have the noise levels now.

Throw the damn computer away. Stay off usenet. You've become infected
with the malicious style of usenet, and as such, your participation
contributes to its demise. There is no freedom without moral law.
Figure life out yourself at your own pace. Do not attempt to educate
the masses. Go out from among them and be ye separate.

If my participation adds to the problem, you can bet I'll be gone in the
blink of an eye.


Do not live in usenet.
Go to the kitchen.
Go shopping.
Mend the garden.
Mend the socks.
Start a volunteer group.
Start another hobby.

These past two weekends have shown us that you just won't let a dead
subject lay to rest. Stop getting in a twist about others' opinions.

"« Grìffîñ »" wrote in message
...
Köi-Lö wrote:

snipped nonsense by any sense of the word

Reality check!

Stop the ****ing nonsense. This is a newsgroup related to MISCELLANEOUS
fish keeping interests. Specific newsgroups, like goldfish are abound.
Six at last count.

So?

You're bickering like a 10 year old...and for what? What does it serve?
More importantly- Who does it serve?

Evidently it serves Tynk who constantly harasses me here for having a
different experience with bettas than she has.

Your constant defensive postures lead to chaos and disorder every time.

What do you suggest I do about rude offensive people like her?

If someone has great experience in a certain area, you challenge that
experience with on-topic questions. Character references and usenet
practices are not on-topic, to say the least.

Your expertise, as I understand it is goldfish. Your posting efforts
are (by any psychological definition) should pertain to questions
regarding proper stewardship of the goldfish subjects.

This is a free open forum and I've had bettas for many, many years and KNOW
they don't need heated and filtered tanks to do well for years. Are you
trying to censor what I post because it disagrees with someone else's
experiences? Why not tell her to STOP trolling every one of my posts? A
quick search of Google will show you I NEVER harassed her about her
experiences with bettas - she would always attack me *FIRST.*

Don't post about trolls and trolling here. There's a newsgroup for
that. Alt.troll and its variants. I'm convinced that RAFM, PONDS &
GARDENS wouldn't have the noise levels now.

She is clearly trolling me. Do you know a better word Ed?

Throw the damn computer away. Stay off usenet. You've become infected
with the malicious style of usenet, and as such, your participation
contributes to its demise. There is no freedom without moral law.

And the moral law says this is a free open forum and I am allowed to post my
experiences as well as you or anyone else.

Figure life out yourself at your own pace. Do not attempt to educate the
masses. Go out from among them and be ye separate.

If my participation adds to the problem, you can bet I'll be gone in the
blink of an eye.

You are adding to the problem when you try and censor someone from posting
their experiences here.

Do not live in usenet.
Go to the kitchen.
Go shopping.
Mend the garden.
Mend the socks.
Start a volunteer group.
Start another hobby.

These past two weekends have shown us that you just won't let a dead
subject lay to rest. Stop getting in a twist about others' opinions.

You need to check those threads and you will see SHE attacks every post I
make where bettas are concerned. She insults me constantly with juvenile
trollish remarks. HAVE YOU CHECKED before posting this? Have you asked her
to stop this behavior? Why not join their moderated group where censorship
is welcome and anyone with different experiences than she has is banned.
;-)
--
KL....
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

"Köi-Lö" wrote...

"« Grìffîñ »" wrote in message
...
Köi-Lö wrote:

snipped nonsense by any sense of the word

Reality check!

Stop the [...] nonsense. This is a newsgroup related to MISCELLANEOUS
fish keeping interests. Specific newsgroups, like goldfish are abound.
Six at last count.

So?

so discuss miscellaneous fish keeping interests.


You're bickering like a 10 year old...and for what? What does it serve?
More importantly- Who does it serve?

Evidently it serves Tynk who constantly harasses me here for having a
different experience with bettas than she has.

i myself have my own problems with tynk's behavior, hence, i dont respond to
her the same as i usually dont respond to you. however, having seen first
hand your disctruction of the integrity of this group, and knowing tynk is a
highly respected source of information wrt bettas, the problem is not a
difference of experiences.



Your constant defensive postures lead to chaos and disorder every time.

What do you suggest I do about rude offensive people like her?

same thing you were told many times over wrt other people you dont seem to
get along with; ignore them. from having read through the thread her
offensive behavior is the result of your childish responses to her offer of
assistence.


If someone has great experience in a certain area, you challenge that
experience with on-topic questions. Character references and usenet
practices are not on-topic, to say the least.

Your expertise, as I understand it is goldfish. Your posting efforts
are (by any psychological definition) should pertain to questions
regarding proper stewardship of the goldfish subjects.

This is a free open forum and I've had bettas for many, many years and
KNOW they don't need heated and filtered tanks to do well for years. Are
you trying to censor what I post because it disagrees with someone else's
experiences? Why not tell her to STOP trolling every one of my posts? A
quick search of Google will show you I NEVER harassed her about her
experiences with bettas - she would always attack me *FIRST.*

no. she *corrected* you first. she has offered to help, offered to lead
you to published information that will help you to understand a bit more
than you do now. and as a participant in a 'forum' she is entitled to
correct you to prevent misinformation being spread to other, less experience
people who may be confused or misled, *and* it is in the best interest of
this forum to increases the knowledge and experience of the group as a
whole by doing so.


Don't post about trolls and trolling here. There's a newsgroup for
that. Alt.troll and its variants. I'm convinced that RAFM, PONDS &
GARDENS wouldn't have the noise levels now.

She is clearly trolling me. Do you know a better word Ed?

no. she is correcting inaccurate information regarding bettas that you have
presented.



Throw the damn computer away. Stay off usenet. You've become infected
with the malicious style of usenet, and as such, your participation
contributes to its demise. There is no freedom without moral law.

And the moral law says this is a free open forum and I am allowed to post
my experiences as well as you or anyone else.

moral law also says you are held accountable for your own actions and not
the actions of others. your actions now are not in conjunction with a free
open forum of discussing your experiences in recreational freshwater
aquaria.


Figure life out yourself at your own pace. Do not attempt to educate the
masses. Go out from among them and be ye separate.

If my participation adds to the problem, you can bet I'll be gone in the
blink of an eye.

You are adding to the problem when you try and censor someone from posting
their experiences here.

we're asking you to refrain from your (history of) posting arguements, not
experiences.


Do not live in usenet.
Go to the kitchen.
Go shopping.
Mend the garden.
Mend the socks.
Start a volunteer group.
Start another hobby.

These past two weekends have shown us that you just won't let a dead
subject lay to rest. Stop getting in a twist about others' opinions.

You need to check those threads and you will see SHE attacks every post I
make where bettas are concerned. She insults me constantly with juvenile
trollish remarks. HAVE YOU CHECKED before posting this? Have you asked
her to stop this behavior? Why not join their moderated group where
censorship is welcome and anyone with different experiences than she has
is banned. ;-)

wrong. the moderated group censors this type of behavior as it has no place
in a discussion forum of freshwater aquaria. you were ask NOT to be a
participant in that group because of the behavior you are exhibiting now.
furthermore, your continuing to do so proves them more and more right.



--
A man said to the universe:
"Sir, I exist!"
"However," replied the universe,
"The fact has not created in me
A sense of obligation."

"Tedd Jacobs" wrote in message
...

"Köi-Lö" wrote...

"« Grìffîñ »" wrote in message
...
Köi-Lö wrote:

snipped nonsense by any sense of the word

Reality check!

Stop the [...] nonsense. This is a newsgroup related to MISCELLANEOUS
fish keeping interests. Specific newsgroups, like goldfish are abound.
Six at last count.

So?

so discuss miscellaneous fish keeping interests.

We all are. ;-) I post about fish keeping and this one person has badgered
and insulted me for months because our experiences differ. I think it's
time to killfile her.

Evidently it serves Tynk who constantly harasses me here for having a
different experience with bettas than she has.

i myself have my own problems with tynk's behavior, hence, i dont respond
to her the same as i usually dont respond to you.

Apparently you don't respond to anyone since your name is not familiar. But
with all the nym-shifting and trolling on this NG.... well know knows.
I'll say you're one of the Cabal using a different nym so I don't recognize
you. ;-)

however, having seen first
hand your disctruction of the integrity of this group, and knowing tynk is
a highly respected source of information wrt bettas, the problem is not a
difference of experiences.

So I destroyed this group because I don't keep bettas in filtered heated
tanks? That I have the GALL to tell the truth to a know-it-all who is a
rude, insulting and a badgering nag? HOW DARE I SPEAK UP!!!!

Your constant defensive postures lead to chaos and disorder every time.

What do you suggest I do about rude offensive people like her?

same thing you were told many times over wrt other people you dont seem to
get along with; ignore them. from having read through the thread her
offensive behavior is the result of your childish responses to her offer
of assistence.

Childish response to what assistance? I'm well aware people have
successfully kept bettas in everything from small ivy bowls to 20g+ hated
filtered tanks. So how is she assisting me?

This is a free open forum and I've had bettas for many, many years and
KNOW they don't need heated and filtered tanks to do well for years. Are
you trying to censor what I post because it disagrees with someone else's
experiences? Why not tell her to STOP trolling every one of my posts?
A quick search of Google will show you I NEVER harassed her about her
experiences with bettas - she would always attack me *FIRST.*

no. she *corrected* you first.

No she insulted me for posting my experiences with keeping bettas in
unheated unfiltered tanks for years. Why because it goes against what she
believes and claims.

she has offered to help, offered to lead
you to published information that will help you to understand a bit more
than you do now.

Oh I see, I'll read the information I've already read many, many times and
suddenly all my bettas will die in their unheated and unfiltered bowls? I
already know some people keep them in H&F tanks. How is this "helping me"
to be told what I already knew for years?

and as a participant in a 'forum' she is entitled to
correct you to prevent misinformation being spread to other, less
experience people who may be confused or misled, *and* it is in the best
interest of this forum to increases the knowledge and experience of the
group as a whole by doing so.

What misinformation? That bettas die unless they're in F&H tanks? That's
not misinformation as they can and will live their whole lives in UH&UF
tanks or bowls as long as they are kept clean and are well fed. Do you
actually believe that breeders who keep large numbers of breeding stock have
them all in individual heated and filtered tanks? I never once saw anything
like that at a breeders house. NEVER. The heated and filtered tanks were
for breeding and fry. Most breeders were regular people and didn't have the
space or the money for such setups. I didn't see slaws of dead bettas in
UH&UF bowls and jars anywhere in their homes - did you?

She is clearly trolling me. Do you know a better word Ed?

no. she is correcting inaccurate information regarding bettas that you
have presented.

I repeat? What inaccurate misinformation? That bettas die unless they're in
F&H tanks? That's not misinformation as they can and will live their whole
lives in UH&UF tanks or bowls as long as they kept clean and are well fed.
Do you actually believe that breeders who keep large numbers of breeding
stock have them all in individual heated and filtered tanks? I never once
saw anything like that at a breeders house. NEVER. The heated and filtered
tanks were for breeding and fry. Most breeders were regular people and
didn't have the space or the money for such setups.

And the moral law says this is a free open forum and I am allowed to post
my experiences as well as you or anyone else.

moral law also says you are held accountable for your own actions and not
the actions of others. your actions now are not in conjunction with a
free open forum of discussing your experiences in recreational freshwater
aquaria.

And to be in conjunction would mean what? That I LIE and claim bettas need
F&H tanks to live when it's not true? That would make me in conjunction?

Figure life out yourself at your own pace. Do not attempt to educate
the masses. Go out from among them and be ye separate.

If my participation adds to the problem, you can bet I'll be gone in the
blink of an eye.

You are adding to the problem when you try and censor someone from
posting their experiences here.

we're asking you to refrain from your (history of) posting arguements, not
experiences.

Wait.... it's an argument to tell the TRUTH that bettas do not need H&F
tanks to live long healthy lives? I should just take her insults and
badgering as ... what? If someone asks about bettas I never attacked what
she said about H&F tanks - she posts what she wants to post. I post that
mine live in UH&UF bowls/tanks/jars and do very well. Where is the problem
with that?

You need to check those threads and you will see SHE attacks every post I
make where bettas are concerned. She insults me constantly with juvenile
trollish remarks. HAVE YOU CHECKED before posting this? Have you asked
her to stop this behavior? Why not join their moderated group where
censorship is welcome and anyone with different experiences than she has
is banned. ;-)

wrong. the moderated group censors this type of behavior as it has no
place in a discussion forum of freshwater aquaria.

Meaning she is free to insult anyone who claims bettas will live long
healthy lives without F&H tanks? There should be no discussion of the
millions of bettas out there successfully kept in unheated, unfiltered
set-ups?

you were ask NOT to be a
participant in that group because of the behavior you are exhibiting now.

I see..... as long as one of the NG Cabal says something it is RELIGION and
there is to be no discussion of other successful ways to keep the same fish.
How else would I get the message across if not allowed to post it here that
millions of bettas live their entire lives without H&F? There is no
guarantee the owner of a betta in a H&F tank will take better care of it
then someone who has it in a quart bowl.

furthermore, your continuing to do so proves them more and more right.

Them? The CABAL? :-))) Of course. If one of THEM says it - it has to be
true! Never mind the millions of bettas that live their entire lives in
anything but tanks that are F&H, as they have for me since the 1960s.

--
KL....
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

"Köi-Lö" wrote...

"Tedd Jacobs" wrote in message
...

"Köi-Lö" wrote...

"« Grìffîñ »" wrote in message
...
Köi-Lö wrote:

snipped nonsense by any sense of the word

Reality check!

Stop the [...] nonsense. This is a newsgroup related to MISCELLANEOUS
fish keeping interests. Specific newsgroups, like goldfish are abound.
Six at last count.

So?

so discuss miscellaneous fish keeping interests.

We all are. ;-) I post about fish keeping and this one person has
badgered and insulted me for months because our experiences differ. I
think it's time to killfile her.

then do it and shut up about it.


Evidently it serves Tynk who constantly harasses me here for having a
different experience with bettas than she has.

i myself have my own problems with tynk's behavior, hence, i dont respond
to her the same as i usually dont respond to you.

Apparently you don't respond to anyone since your name is not familiar.
But with all the nym-shifting and trolling on this NG.... well know
knows. I'll say you're one of the Cabal using a different nym so I don't
recognize you. ;-)

thats because you are way too much of a newbie here. ;-)


however, having seen first
hand your disctruction of the integrity of this group, and knowing tynk
is a highly respected source of information wrt bettas, the problem is
not a difference of experiences.

So I destroyed this group because I don't keep bettas in filtered heated
tanks? That I have the GALL to tell the truth to a know-it-all who is a
rude, insulting and a badgering nag? HOW DARE I SPEAK UP!!!!

no. you destroyed this group because you refused to
kill-file/ignore/shut-up and continued to promote your "right" to argue
about things that have nothing to do with freshwater aquaria. (kinda like
you are now).


Your constant defensive postures lead to chaos and disorder every time.

What do you suggest I do about rude offensive people like her?

same thing you were told many times over wrt other people you dont seem
to get along with; ignore them. from having read through the thread her
offensive behavior is the result of your childish responses to her offer
of assistence.

Childish response to what assistance? I'm well aware people have
successfully kept bettas in everything from small ivy bowls to 20g+ hated
filtered tanks. So how is she assisting me?

to understand there is something called "optimal conditions" under which
bettas thrive. would you live longer, healthier in a confined, cold,
unkept, closet, or in a luxury suite. iow, you are saying environment has
no effect on constitution or longivity. how quaint a concept.


This is a free open forum and I've had bettas for many, many years and
KNOW they don't need heated and filtered tanks to do well for years.
Are you trying to censor what I post because it disagrees with someone
else's experiences? Why not tell her to STOP trolling every one of my
posts? A quick search of Google will show you I NEVER harassed her about
her experiences with bettas - she would always attack me *FIRST.*

no. she *corrected* you first.

No she insulted me for posting my experiences with keeping bettas in
unheated unfiltered tanks for years. Why because it goes against what she
believes and claims.

and has offered to share professionally documented published proof. you
seem to keep missing that and refuse to research it. how naive.


she has offered to help, offered to lead
you to published information that will help you to understand a bit more
than you do now.

Oh I see, I'll read the information I've already read many, many times and
suddenly all my bettas will die in their unheated and unfiltered bowls? I
already know some people keep them in H&F tanks. How is this "helping me"
to be told what I already knew for years?

because you dont read for content very well when it comes to other people.
she said "they would suffer longer". you are the one who is arguing on
personal levels about things that have nothing to do with fish and cant even
identify the level with which the discussion was about.


and as a participant in a 'forum' she is entitled to
correct you to prevent misinformation being spread to other, less
experience people who may be confused or misled, *and* it is in the best
interest of this forum to increases the knowledge and experience of the
group as a whole by doing so.

What misinformation? That bettas die unless they're in F&H tanks?
That's not misinformation as they can and will live their whole lives in
UH&UF tanks or bowls as long as they are kept clean and are well fed. Do
you actually believe that breeders who keep large numbers of breeding
stock have them all in individual heated and filtered tanks? I never once
saw anything like that at a breeders house. NEVER. The heated and
filtered tanks were for breeding and fry. Most breeders were regular
people and didn't have the space or the money for such setups. I didn't
see slaws of dead bettas in UH&UF bowls and jars anywhere in their homes -
did you?

*see above


She is clearly trolling me. Do you know a better word Ed?

no. she is correcting inaccurate information regarding bettas that you
have presented.

I repeat? What inaccurate misinformation? That bettas die unless they're
in F&H tanks? That's not misinformation as they can and will live their
whole lives in UH&UF tanks or bowls as long as they kept clean and are
well fed. Do you actually believe that breeders who keep large numbers of
breeding stock have them all in individual heated and filtered tanks? I
never once saw anything like that at a breeders house. NEVER. The heated
and filtered tanks were for breeding and fry. Most breeders were regular
people and didn't have the space or the money for such setups.

*see above



And the moral law says this is a free open forum and I am allowed to
post my experiences as well as you or anyone else.

moral law also says you are held accountable for your own actions and not
the actions of others. your actions now are not in conjunction with a
free open forum of discussing your experiences in recreational freshwater
aquaria.

And to be in conjunction would mean what? That I LIE and claim bettas
need F&H tanks to live when it's not true? That would make me in
conjunction?


i. no one said you need to lie
ii. no one said they needed f&h tanks to live.
(and again you didnt read for content): be accountable for your own
behavior in posting, this is not on topic for r.a.f.m. this is a ****ing
match that you (against the better advice of others again) refuse to end by
exercising the kill-file/ignore/shut-up option.


Figure life out yourself at your own pace. Do not attempt to educate
the masses. Go out from among them and be ye separate.

If my participation adds to the problem, you can bet I'll be gone in
the blink of an eye.

You are adding to the problem when you try and censor someone from
posting their experiences here.

we're asking you to refrain from your (history of) posting arguements,
not experiences.

Wait.... it's an argument to tell the TRUTH that bettas do not need H&F
tanks to live long healthy lives? I should just take her insults and
badgering as ... what? If someone asks about bettas I never attacked
what she said about H&F tanks - she posts what she wants to post. I post
that mine live in UH&UF bowls/tanks/jars and do very well. Where is the
problem with that?

that you dont read for content, and then start another ****ing war.


You need to check those threads and you will see SHE attacks every post
I make where bettas are concerned. She insults me constantly with
juvenile trollish remarks. HAVE YOU CHECKED before posting this? Have
you asked her to stop this behavior? Why not join their moderated group
where censorship is welcome and anyone with different experiences than
she has is banned. ;-)

wrong. the moderated group censors this type of behavior as it has no
place in a discussion forum of freshwater aquaria.

Meaning she is free to insult anyone who claims bettas will live long
healthy lives without F&H tanks? There should be no discussion of the
millions of bettas out there successfully kept in unheated, unfiltered
set-ups?

you're not qualified or prepared enough to forward that statement.
especially when the key was long-'er', healthi-'er' lives *in f&g tanks.
your's is a poor rendering of what someone else said that suited you better
to make false claims wrt what was actually said. again, you dont read very
well for content.


you were ask NOT to be a
participant in that group because of the behavior you are exhibiting now.

I see..... as long as one of the NG Cabal says something it is RELIGION
and there is to be no discussion of other successful ways to keep the same
fish. How else would I get the message across if not allowed to post it
here that millions of bettas live their entire lives without H&F? There
is no guarantee the owner of a betta in a H&F tank will take better care
of it then someone who has it in a quart bowl.

wrong, read for content. i said you were asked NOT to participate in that
group because of the behavior you are exhibiting now. (which is nothing to
do with fish).


furthermore, your continuing to do so proves them more and more right.

Them? The CABAL? :-))) Of course. If one of THEM says it - it has to
be true! Never mind the millions of bettas that live their entire lives
in anything but tanks that are F&H, as they have for me since the 1960s.

ya know, unfortunately i was right about you. you have no concept of what a
'discussion' is. you have no idea how to read for content. you have no
idea how to follow a logical structure in your own postings (let alone
someone elses). you think someone disagreeing with you opens the door for
you to talk about anything you darn well see fit whether it has anything to
do with aquaria or not. and when it comes to simple tactics of debate, you
are way out of your league. you are,... not worth it.

back to the bin with ya,...

*plonk*

p.s. that means once you reply to this you'll have had the last word on me.
then maybe you'll be able to shut up about it.


--
I believe everything exists. Unicorns do not exist.

Better her than you anyday Roy.........

-=LÈGIÖN=- wrote:
The bitches true colors are coming out and all without the help of
those that said all along this bitch is a probolem hands down.And you
thought we were all ****ing trolls...........

So whats a matter fuctards, is yur little hole in thew wall moderated
forum all stuffy and controlling or does a few of the asswipes not take
a bath........come on we know how things with Carol Gulley the bitch
is, its Carols way or no way and your all wrong for thinking
otherwise........now pay homeage to uyour queen of the usenet, Koi-Lo
or she will set the wrath of her trolls and sock puppets onthe groups
once again........
You all just would not listen .........hahahahahaha dumbass always

One word of caution to you all. Don;t turn your back onthe bitch or she
WILL stick it to you good. Its her nature. Enjoy your screwed up groups
and best of all Enjoy Carols company. You all deserve her!


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"Köi-Lö" wrote...
We all are. ;-) I post about fish keeping and this one person has
badgered and insulted me for months because our experiences differ. I
think it's time to killfile her.

then do it and shut up about it.

Hey, why don't YOU killfile me and shut up about it? :-)))

Apparently you don't respond to anyone since your name is not familiar.
But with all the nym-shifting and trolling on this NG.... well know
knows. I'll say you're one of the Cabal using a different nym so I don't
recognize you. ;-)

thats because you are way too much of a newbie here. ;-)

Yep,... only here for 7 or 8 months, maybe longer.

So I destroyed this group because I don't keep bettas in filtered heated
tanks? That I have the GALL to tell the truth to a know-it-all who is a
rude, insulting and a badgering nag? HOW DARE I SPEAK UP!!!!

no. you destroyed this group because you refused to
kill-file/ignore/shut-up and continued to promote your "right" to argue
about things that have nothing to do with freshwater aquaria. (kinda like
you are now).

And like YOU are? What does your belittling me have to do with fish?
Nothing that I can see. It appears you never heard what's good for the
goose is good for the gander or do we have some kind of double standard
here? The disagreement over betta keeping isn't about fish? Then what are
they? Birds?

Childish response to what assistance? I'm well aware people have
successfully kept bettas in everything from small ivy bowls to 20g+ hated
filtered tanks. So how is she assisting me?

to understand there is something called "optimal conditions" under which
bettas thrive. would you live longer, healthier in a confined, cold,
unkept, closet, or in a luxury suite. iow, you are saying environment has
no effect on constitution or longivity. how quaint a concept.

I know what Optimal Conditions are. Few fish (or people, or dogs, or cats,
or parakeets, or hamsters) are kept under "optimal conditions". Are we to
nag, harass, badger and insult those who don't provide someone's idea of OC
for their fish? If you want OC for bettas then sink a heated and filtered
100g pool in the ground like my friend in Florida has, plant it well and
feed them nothing but live food. Make sure everyone who purchases them has
such a pool to provide OC. Now THAT in anyone's opinion is OC, how can
anyone disagree? Not a 5 or 10g tank where they do little more than they do
in a 1g tank.

All you want to do is argue, just like her............. then accuse *me* of
being off-topic.
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"« Grìffîñ »" wrote in message
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Köi-Lö wrote:

snipped nonsense by any sense of the word


Reality check!

Stop the ****ing nonsense. This is a newsgroup related to MISCELLANEOUS
fish keeping interests. Specific newsgroups, like goldfish are abound.
Six at last count.

You're bickering like a 10 year old...and for what?

What does it serve? More importantly- Who does it serve?

Your constant defensive postures lead to chaos and disorder every time.
If someone has great experience in a certain area, you challenge that
experience with on-topic questions. Character references and usenet
practices are not on-topic, to say the least.

Your expertise, as I understand it is goldfish. Your posting efforts
are (by any psychological definition) should pertain to questions
regarding proper stewardship of the goldfish subjects.

Don't post about trolls and trolling here. There's a newsgroup for
that. Alt.troll and its variants. I'm convinced that RAFM, PONDS &
GARDENS wouldn't have the noise levels now.

Throw the damn computer away. Stay off usenet. You've become infected
with the malicious style of usenet, and as such, your participation
contributes to its demise. There is no freedom without moral law.
Figure life out yourself at your own pace. Do not attempt to educate
the masses. Go out from among them and be ye separate.

If my participation adds to the problem, you can bet I'll be gone in the
blink of an eye.


Do not live in usenet.
Go to the kitchen.
Go shopping.
Mend the garden.
Mend the socks.
Start a volunteer group.
Start another hobby.

These past two weekends have shown us that you just won't let a dead
subject lay to rest. Stop getting in a twist about others' opinions.

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"Tedd Jacobs" wrote in message
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! PLONK !


"Köi-Lö" wrote...

"Tedd Jacobs" wrote in message
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"Köi-Lö" wrote...

"« Grìffîñ »" wrote in message
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Köi-Lö wrote:

snipped nonsense by any sense of the word

Reality check!

Stop the [...] nonsense. This is a newsgroup related to
MISCELLANEOUS
fish keeping interests. Specific newsgroups, like goldfish are
abound.
Six at last count.

So?

so discuss miscellaneous fish keeping interests.

We all are. ;-) I post about fish keeping and this one person has
badgered and insulted me for months because our experiences differ. I
think it's time to killfile her.

then do it and shut up about it.


Evidently it serves Tynk who constantly harasses me here for having a
different experience with bettas than she has.

i myself have my own problems with tynk's behavior, hence, i dont
respond
to her the same as i usually dont respond to you.

Apparently you don't respond to anyone since your name is not familiar.
But with all the nym-shifting and trolling on this NG.... well know
knows. I'll say you're one of the Cabal using a different nym so I don't
recognize you. ;-)

thats because you are way too much of a newbie here. ;-)


however, having seen first
hand your disctruction of the integrity of this group, and knowing tynk
is a highly respected source of information wrt bettas, the problem is
not a difference of experiences.

So I destroyed this group because I don't keep bettas in filtered heated
tanks? That I have the GALL to tell the truth to a know-it-all who is a
rude, insulting and a badgering nag? HOW DARE I SPEAK UP!!!!

no. you destroyed this group because you refused to
kill-file/ignore/shut-up and continued to promote your "right" to argue
about things that have nothing to do with freshwater aquaria. (kinda like
you are now).


Your constant defensive postures lead to chaos and disorder every
time.

What do you suggest I do about rude offensive people like her?

same thing you were told many times over wrt other people you dont seem
to get along with; ignore them. from having read through the thread
her
offensive behavior is the result of your childish responses to her
offer
of assistence.

Childish response to what assistance? I'm well aware people have
successfully kept bettas in everything from small ivy bowls to 20g+
hated
filtered tanks. So how is she assisting me?

to understand there is something called "optimal conditions" under which
bettas thrive. would you live longer, healthier in a confined, cold,
unkept, closet, or in a luxury suite. iow, you are saying environment has
no effect on constitution or longivity. how quaint a concept.


This is a free open forum and I've had bettas for many, many years and
KNOW they don't need heated and filtered tanks to do well for years.
Are you trying to censor what I post because it disagrees with someone
else's experiences? Why not tell her to STOP trolling every one of my
posts? A quick search of Google will show you I NEVER harassed her
about
her experiences with bettas - she would always attack me *FIRST.*

no. she *corrected* you first.

No she insulted me for posting my experiences with keeping bettas in
unheated unfiltered tanks for years. Why because it goes against what
she
believes and claims.

and has offered to share professionally documented published proof. you
seem to keep missing that and refuse to research it. how naive.


she has offered to help, offered to lead
you to published information that will help you to understand a bit
more
than you do now.

Oh I see, I'll read the information I've already read many, many times
and
suddenly all my bettas will die in their unheated and unfiltered bowls?
I
already know some people keep them in H&F tanks. How is this "helping
me"
to be told what I already knew for years?

because you dont read for content very well when it comes to other people.
she said "they would suffer longer". you are the one who is arguing on
personal levels about things that have nothing to do with fish and cant
even
identify the level with which the discussion was about.


and as a participant in a 'forum' she is entitled to
correct you to prevent misinformation being spread to other, less
experience people who may be confused or misled, *and* it is in the
best
interest of this forum to increases the knowledge and experience of
the
group as a whole by doing so.

What misinformation? That bettas die unless they're in F&H tanks?
That's not misinformation as they can and will live their whole lives in
UH&UF tanks or bowls as long as they are kept clean and are well fed.
Do
you actually believe that breeders who keep large numbers of breeding
stock have them all in individual heated and filtered tanks? I never
once
saw anything like that at a breeders house. NEVER. The heated and
filtered tanks were for breeding and fry. Most breeders were regular
people and didn't have the space or the money for such setups. I didn't
see slaws of dead bettas in UH&UF bowls and jars anywhere in their
homes -
did you?

*see above


She is clearly trolling me. Do you know a better word Ed?

no. she is correcting inaccurate information regarding bettas that you
have presented.

I repeat? What inaccurate misinformation? That bettas die unless
they're
in F&H tanks? That's not misinformation as they can and will live
their
whole lives in UH&UF tanks or bowls as long as they kept clean and are
well fed. Do you actually believe that breeders who keep large numbers
of
breeding stock have them all in individual heated and filtered tanks? I
never once saw anything like that at a breeders house. NEVER. The
heated
and filtered tanks were for breeding and fry. Most breeders were
regular
people and didn't have the space or the money for such setups.

*see above



And the moral law says this is a free open forum and I am allowed to
post my experiences as well as you or anyone else.

moral law also says you are held accountable for your own actions and
not
the actions of others. your actions now are not in conjunction with a
free open forum of discussing your experiences in recreational
freshwater
aquaria.

And to be in conjunction would mean what? That I LIE and claim bettas
need F&H tanks to live when it's not true? That would make me in
conjunction?


i. no one said you need to lie
ii. no one said they needed f&h tanks to live.
(and again you didnt read for content): be accountable for your own
behavior in posting, this is not on topic for r.a.f.m. this is a ****ing
match that you (against the better advice of others again) refuse to end
by
exercising the kill-file/ignore/shut-up option.


Figure life out yourself at your own pace. Do not attempt to educate
the masses. Go out from among them and be ye separate.

If my participation adds to the problem, you can bet I'll be gone in
the blink of an eye.

You are adding to the problem when you try and censor someone from
posting their experiences here.

we're asking you to refrain from your (history of) posting arguements,
not experiences.

Wait.... it's an argument to tell the TRUTH that bettas do not need H&F
tanks to live long healthy lives? I should just take her insults and
badgering as ... what? If someone asks about bettas I never attacked
what she said about H&F tanks - she posts what she wants to post. I
post
that mine live in UH&UF bowls/tanks/jars and do very well. Where is the
problem with that?

that you dont read for content, and then start another ****ing war.


You need to check those threads and you will see SHE attacks every
post
I make where bettas are concerned. She insults me constantly with
juvenile trollish remarks. HAVE YOU CHECKED before posting this?
Have
you asked her to stop this behavior? Why not join their moderated
group
where censorship is welcome and anyone with different experiences than
she has is banned. ;-)

wrong. the moderated group censors this type of behavior as it has no
place in a discussion forum of freshwater aquaria.

Meaning she is free to insult anyone who claims bettas will live long
healthy lives without F&H tanks? There should be no discussion of the
millions of bettas out there successfully kept in unheated, unfiltered
set-ups?

you're not qualified or prepared enough to forward that statement.
especially when the key was long-'er', healthi-'er' lives *in f&g tanks.
your's is a poor rendering of what someone else said that suited you
better
to make false claims wrt what was actually said. again, you dont read
very
well for content.


you were ask NOT to be a
participant in that group because of the behavior you are exhibiting
now.

I see..... as long as one of the NG Cabal says something it is RELIGION
and there is to be no discussion of other successful ways to keep the
same
fish. How else would I get the message across if not allowed to post it
here that millions of bettas live their entire lives without H&F?
There
is no guarantee the owner of a betta in a H&F tank will take better care
of it then someone who has it in a quart bowl.

wrong, read for content. i said you were asked NOT to participate in that
group because of the behavior you are exhibiting now. (which is nothing
to
do with fish).


furthermore, your continuing to do so proves them more and more right.

Them? The CABAL? :-))) Of course. If one of THEM says it - it has
to
be true! Never mind the millions of bettas that live their entire lives
in anything but tanks that are F&H, as they have for me since the 1960s.

ya know, unfortunately i was right about you. you have no concept of what
a
'discussion' is. you have no idea how to read for content. you have no
idea how to follow a logical structure in your own postings (let alone
someone elses). you think someone disagreeing with you opens the door for
you to talk about anything you darn well see fit whether it has anything
to
do with aquaria or not. and when it comes to simple tactics of debate,
you
are way out of your league. you are,... not worth it.

back to the bin with ya,...

*plonk*

p.s. that means once you reply to this you'll have had the last word on
me.
then maybe you'll be able to shut up about it.


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