Breeding Tiger barb

I was just wondering if ti's possible to breed tiger barbs without
seperating them first?

Also any other advice?

Thanks

Hi..

I was just wondering if ti's possible to breed tiger barbs
without seperating them first?

[x] The answer is _yes_ ..!

Also any other advice?

Heavily crowded tank sections, stable set up, well fed adult
tigers, lots of micro fauna - and of course _luck_ ..!
--
cu
Marco

"Mariachi" wrote...
I was just wondering if ti's possible to breed tiger barbs without
seperating them first?

assuming you mean 'seprating them first' from the rest of the group by
isolating them in a breeding tank, yes. although breeding them is not the
problem, survival is.


Also any other advice?

your shots at success are at the best, beyond minimal. even with a crowded
tank (by crowded i mean lots of other objects eg. plants/decorations etc.)
barbs will eat every egg they can find, which is most given that they are
egg-scatterers. secondly as the fry begin to hatch they make themselves
more suseptable to predation by drawing attention to themselves via
movement. third, food-- fry need an abundance of micro foods which are
commonly not found in an established tank and require you to either i.
provide it as a supliment (liquifry or other) or ii. culture your own. in
either case the surviability of the fry is dependent on their ability to
'accidentally' find food, which again leads to predation by other fish.
lastly, even if they survive long enough to pass beyond the fry stage, wrt
tigers-- if it will fit in its mouth, it's food. young tigers are food for
bigger tigers.

my personal recommendation-- if you are serious about breeding barbs, get a
breeding tank, else you end up frustraited with the attempts. i have kept,
bred, and raised barbs for a number of years and never have i had them
successfully produce offspring in an environment that includes the parents
(or other fish for that matter).

in my personal opinion-- tigers are some of the most wonderful fish to keep
and breed.

"Tedd Jacobs" wrote in message
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"Mariachi" wrote...
I was just wondering if ti's possible to breed tiger barbs without
seperating them first?

assuming you mean 'seprating them first' from the rest of the group by
isolating them in a breeding tank, yes. although breeding them is not the
problem, survival is.


Also any other advice?

your shots at success are at the best, beyond minimal. even with a
crowded tank (by crowded i mean lots of other objects eg.
plants/decorations etc.) barbs will eat every egg they can find, which is
most given that they are egg-scatterers. secondly as the fry begin to
hatch they make themselves more suseptable to predation by drawing
attention to themselves via movement. third, food-- fry need an abundance
of micro foods which are commonly not found in an established tank and
require you to either i. provide it as a supliment (liquifry or other) or
ii. culture your own. in either case the surviability of the fry is
dependent on their ability to 'accidentally' find food, which again leads
to predation by other fish. lastly, even if they survive long enough to
pass beyond the fry stage, wrt tigers-- if it will fit in its mouth, it's
food. young tigers are food for bigger tigers.

my personal recommendation-- if you are serious about breeding barbs, get
a breeding tank, else you end up frustraited with the attempts. i have
kept, bred, and raised barbs for a number of years and never have i had
them successfully produce offspring in an environment that includes the
parents (or other fish for that matter).

in my personal opinion-- tigers are some of the most wonderful fish to
keep and breed.



I used to watch them in the creek near pulada where the combat survival
course was held. Only a small creek (except after rain) with gravel bottem
and lots of vegetation.
In lots of fish farms the rosey barb is bred as a feeder fish in great
quantity.
I'd chase up info on that species and try apply it to the tiger barb.
Think of barbs as rainbow fish in that it is VERY rare for fry to survive
being in the same tank as adults.
No that doesn't include 'blue eyes' but then they are not really rainbows
I recon a good bit of egg mop work and a seperate tank (filled with water
from the parent tank) to hatch out eggs on the mops will be the go

swarvegorilla wrote:

I'd chase up info on that species and try apply it to the tiger barb.
Think of barbs as rainbow fish in that it is VERY rare for fry to survive
being in the same tank as adults.
No that doesn't include 'blue eyes' but then they are not really rainbows
I recon a good bit of egg mop work and a seperate tank (filled with water
from the parent tank) to hatch out eggs on the mops will be the go


My experience has been slightly different....my blue eyes never bred
successfully.....but I do have a 1" Boesman Rainbow Juv in one of my
tanks.....not with his parents to be fair but with another trio of
Boesmans before I even realised he was there....he travelled across
tanks in some Java Moss....so a bit of a fluke.....the tank he went to
just contained the Boesmans and some tetras IRRC at the time and was
130g....so it is possible.....

Sorry for the hijack - it was just this comment by Swarvgorilla caught
my attention

Gill

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
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swarvegorilla wrote:

I'd chase up info on that species and try apply it to the tiger barb.
Think of barbs as rainbow fish in that it is VERY rare for fry to survive
being in the same tank as adults.
No that doesn't include 'blue eyes' but then they are not really rainbows
I recon a good bit of egg mop work and a seperate tank (filled with water
from the parent tank) to hatch out eggs on the mops will be the go
My experience has been slightly different....my blue eyes never bred
successfully.....but I do have a 1" Boesman Rainbow Juv in one of my
tanks.....not with his parents to be fair but with another trio of
Boesmans before I even realised he was there....he travelled across tanks
in some Java Moss....so a bit of a fluke.....the tank he went to just
contained the Boesmans and some tetras IRRC at the time and was 130g....so
it is possible.....

Sorry for the hijack - it was just this comment by Swarvgorilla caught my
attention

Gill




I breed blue eyes by the thousand
tis the other rainbows I have trouble with
heh heh

swarvegorilla wrote:
"Gill Passman" wrote in message
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swarvegorilla wrote:


I'd chase up info on that species and try apply it to the tiger barb.
Think of barbs as rainbow fish in that it is VERY rare for fry to survive
being in the same tank as adults.
No that doesn't include 'blue eyes' but then they are not really rainbows
I recon a good bit of egg mop work and a seperate tank (filled with water
from the parent tank) to hatch out eggs on the mops will be the go

My experience has been slightly different....my blue eyes never bred
successfully.....but I do have a 1" Boesman Rainbow Juv in one of my
tanks.....not with his parents to be fair but with another trio of
Boesmans before I even realised he was there....he travelled across tanks
in some Java Moss....so a bit of a fluke.....the tank he went to just
contained the Boesmans and some tetras IRRC at the time and was 130g....so
it is possible.....

Sorry for the hijack - it was just this comment by Swarvgorilla caught my
attention

Gill





I breed blue eyes by the thousand
tis the other rainbows I have trouble with
heh heh


What's the secret????....mine are now approaching one year plus in age
and I'm seeing a lot of deaths....from my research this is because they
are "annuals".....I'd like to get my remaining 4 breeding to establish
some ongoing stock or have I left it too late....

With the other Rainbows.....what I did, accidentally, was move Java Moss
into a tank with very few predators...it was pretty much a fluke....my
water is hard and the pH is high and the tank was over filtered for the
stocking levels (don't have the exact figures) but from what I've read
pretty much good conditions for rainbows....I guess if I wanted to try
again I would watch the shimmering and then grab out the Java Moss and
place it in a well filtered tank and wait to see what happens....my Reds
are buggers for eating anything that is small enough to get in their
mouths....I added some amano shrimps and the female red said "thanks for
the snack" - ouch....but that being said I still have a good platy fry
survival rate in the tank....maybe the Yoyos and the Plec go egg
hunting.....

Gill

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
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swarvegorilla wrote:
"Gill Passman" wrote in message
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swarvegorilla wrote:


I'd chase up info on that species and try apply it to the tiger barb.
Think of barbs as rainbow fish in that it is VERY rare for fry to
survive being in the same tank as adults.
No that doesn't include 'blue eyes' but then they are not really
rainbows
I recon a good bit of egg mop work and a seperate tank (filled with
water from the parent tank) to hatch out eggs on the mops will be the go

My experience has been slightly different....my blue eyes never bred
successfully.....but I do have a 1" Boesman Rainbow Juv in one of my
tanks.....not with his parents to be fair but with another trio of
Boesmans before I even realised he was there....he travelled across tanks
in some Java Moss....so a bit of a fluke.....the tank he went to just
contained the Boesmans and some tetras IRRC at the time and was
130g....so it is possible.....

Sorry for the hijack - it was just this comment by Swarvgorilla caught my
attention

Gill





I breed blue eyes by the thousand
tis the other rainbows I have trouble with
heh heh
What's the secret????....mine are now approaching one year plus in age and
I'm seeing a lot of deaths....from my research this is because they are
"annuals".....I'd like to get my remaining 4 breeding to establish some
ongoing stock or have I left it too late....

With the other Rainbows.....what I did, accidentally, was move Java Moss
into a tank with very few predators...it was pretty much a fluke....my
water is hard and the pH is high and the tank was over filtered for the
stocking levels (don't have the exact figures) but from what I've read
pretty much good conditions for rainbows....I guess if I wanted to try
again I would watch the shimmering and then grab out the Java Moss and
place it in a well filtered tank and wait to see what happens....my Reds
are buggers for eating anything that is small enough to get in their
mouths....I added some amano shrimps and the female red said "thanks for
the snack" - ouch....but that being said I still have a good platy fry
survival rate in the tank....maybe the Yoyos and the Plec go egg
hunting.....

Gill

Get a pond.
Establish with fluffy water plants
add 30 blue eyes
(NO OTHER FISH!!!!)
feed flake everyday
come back in a few months
should be thousands
:-)

Not really something I have a set plan for
I just play the numbers and rely on the fact they rarely target their young
compared to other rainbows.
well in my experience anyway.
I have had trouble with aggro males before in tanks
but other than that rotate egg mogs thru the breeding tank and into the
hatching fry tank.
they are always at it, just not always huge amounts.