A new tank without cycling

Jim Morcombe wrote:


Keep doing the filter "swish". It is rich in bacteria.

Not according to scientists.
It's rich in muck.

"Tynk" wrote in message
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You cannot set such a vague "rule" when there are way too many
variables when it comes to stocking a fish...much more than it's size
in inches.
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Such as the fact a 1" goldfish passes a lot more waste than a 1" guppy.
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Jim Morcombe wrote:


Keep doing the filter "swish". It is rich in bacteria.

Not according to scientists.
It's rich in muck.
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What does the muck contain? I would think there were bacteria adhering to
it.
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"nut" wrote in message
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However, now i have a few established tanks, i have the luxury of using
mature filter media in new tanks.
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This has almost always worked for me as well. I have several tanks set up
so I now add an extra filter to one of them, then move it to the new tank
when "matured". Works like a charm. ;-)
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nut wrote:

amosf © Tim Fairchild wrote:

Correct. The bacteria adhere to all sorts of rubbish in the filter,
not just the media itself. All those particles that are rinsed off
and cloud the water have bacteria attached.

I have to admit, until now, when i've set up a new tank i've used 50% tank
water from water changes and 50% dechlorinated tap water.

So, although it's not harmful, using mature [dirty] water has no benefit
at all? From now on i should use 100% clean water?

I've also rinsed filter sponges in new tanks before too, in the hope of
speeding up the cycle... there seems to be mixed opinions on this but it
seems the general consensus is that it doesn't hurt so one may as well do
it.

However, now i have a few established tanks, i have the luxury of using
mature filter media in new tanks.

There are very little bacteria in the water column, so you might as well use
new water. There is some bacteria in the muck, but more on the media
itself, do throw the whole sponge it. Use some of the media out of an
established filter, or use a lot gravel from another tank. The more
bacteria you start with the quicker it can breed up.

nut wrote:

Tynk wrote:
Kind of like the old, or rather better said, not current generation
still telling folks the "one inch per gallon rule". = )~

Is the one-inch-per-gallon rule no longer valid?!

Nobody told me... when did this happen?

It uses a linear measure to calculate a volume. It can never and could never
have worked, an I can't imagine who ever came up with a silly rule like
that. A 60 inch fish goes in a 60 gallon tank? Cool.

In any case, it's a metric world these days and who the heck knows what an
inch and a gallon is anyway. Only the US uses that stuff these days

amosf © Tim Fairchild wrote:
nut wrote:

Tynk wrote:
Kind of like the old, or rather better said, not current generation
still telling folks the "one inch per gallon rule". = )~

Is the one-inch-per-gallon rule no longer valid?!

Nobody told me... when did this happen?

It uses a linear measure to calculate a volume. It can never and could never
have worked, an I can't imagine who ever came up with a silly rule like
that. A 60 inch fish goes in a 60 gallon tank? Cool.

In any case, it's a metric world these days and who the heck knows what an
inch and a gallon is anyway. Only the US uses that stuff these days

You know Tim,
If the teacher and ones in charge would have switched over long ago we
would all be on the same page with that. I cannot figure out most
metric, as I am from the US.
The simple things, sure. Things we Americans use all the time. 1 & 2
liter bottles, centimeters, a yard, etc. I'm lost when it comes to much
else. = /

Zëbulon wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
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You cannot set such a vague "rule" when there are way too many
variables when it comes to stocking a fish...much more than it's size
in inches.
======================
Such as the fact a 1" goldfish passes a lot more waste than a 1"
guppy.

The rule was for tropical fish, not coldwater.




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"nut" wrote in message
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Zëbulon wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
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You cannot set such a vague "rule" when there are way too many
variables when it comes to stocking a fish...much more than it's size
in inches.
======================
Such as the fact a 1" goldfish passes a lot more waste than a 1"
guppy.

The rule was for tropical fish, not coldwater.
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This is true but how many newbies know that? They come here all the time
asking about putting tropicals with goldfish. Some people keep them
together successfully.

Also, some tropicals have a lot more bulk per inch than others.
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rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
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Tynk wrote:


amosf © Tim Fairchild wrote:
nut wrote:

Tynk wrote:
Kind of like the old, or rather better said, not current generation
still telling folks the "one inch per gallon rule". = )~

Is the one-inch-per-gallon rule no longer valid?!

Nobody told me... when did this happen?

It uses a linear measure to calculate a volume. It can never and could
never have worked, an I can't imagine who ever came up with a silly rule
like that. A 60 inch fish goes in a 60 gallon tank? Cool.

In any case, it's a metric world these days and who the heck knows what
an inch and a gallon is anyway. Only the US uses that stuff these days

You know Tim,
If the teacher and ones in charge would have switched over long ago we
would all be on the same page with that. I cannot figure out most
metric, as I am from the US.
The simple things, sure. Things we Americans use all the time. 1 & 2
liter bottles, centimeters, a yard, etc. I'm lost when it comes to much
else. = /

It's a pity... But oh well. I notice it the most on aquarium lists as it's
always about measures - so there is always converting to do