Pond sealer & dead plants

On 7 Jan 2007 15:09:26 -0800, wrote:


Tristan wrote:
No actually for one person its Wally Worlds cat food!

Whoops, I'll have to pay more attention when lurking. That new RPM
group will be fun, eh?
d.

Thats an understatment.





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In article ,
says...

Yes, one good suggestion. Do not pay CArol aka Zebulon or Andrea
Nogales any attention., She is a vile and vulgar old loon that craves
attention and does not have a clue what she is even talking about. She
adlibs most of what she posts.

pot kettle black - and yer in the bozo bin now, don't need to read your
chit.

--
Duncan

Shows you just how stupid you really are dude! I bet your a relative
of the Gulleys or maybe their daughter-in-law!

On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:50:21 +1300, Dave Doe wrote:

In article ,
says...

Yes, one good suggestion. Do not pay CArol aka Zebulon or Andrea
Nogales any attention., She is a vile and vulgar old loon that craves
attention and does not have a clue what she is even talking about. She
adlibs most of what she posts.

pot kettle black - and yer in the bozo bin now, don't need to read your
chit.



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"~ janj" wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:28:10 -0600, Zëbulon wrote:

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If the water was that drastically different I would think the fish would
have also reacted badly yet the OP says they're fine. I have to acclimate
every fish I buy here or they die from what was called PH shock not too
long
ago. Plants don't just drop over dead, especially the new ones that would
not have been as badly effected by such a drastic difference. Plants
starved for nutrients fade away.........

Going against my better judgment to reply to this, but fish can survive
high pH where plants will die. Plus I think saying something is "fine" is
pretty general, goldfish are tough. ~ jan
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And in my experience pond plants are not so easy to kill. I assume *you're*
talking about plants that need acidic to neutral water? Please clarify.

The fish will die from *drastic PH/TDS for fish change* before the plants
will, at least the ones I raise which have been most of the common ones for
this area including cat tails, Pickerel weed, water lilies, variegated
Japanese water grass, Sweeet flag, sterile Purple Loostrife, water iris etc.
All thrive inwater with a PH over 8.. Our water ranges from 7.4 to 8.5,
sometimes higher.

*THIS IS MY EXPERIENCE* with pond plants here in Middle TN since 1995. Your
experience my be different.
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ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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~ janj wrote:
... fish can survive
high pH where plants will die. Plus I think saying something is "fine" is
pretty general, goldfish are tough. ~ jan

Pretty good discussion so far. Ingrid has almost certainly thought of
this already, but the sealer may be somehow toxic to plants but ok with
fish. That would not necessarily show up in any of the usual water
tests. Another 100% water change would reduce this factor, because most
of the possible toxins may have leached by now.

OTH, perhaps catfish chow is the secret ingredient for growing pond
plants ) .
d.
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It sure grows nice koi and goldfish. :-) See below.
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ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

wrote in message
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Tristan wrote:
No actually for one person its Wally Worlds cat food!

Whoops, I'll have to pay more attention when lurking. That new RPM
group will be fun, eh?
d.
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It sure looks that way........ :-)
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

And in my experience pond plants are not so easy to kill. I assume *you're*
talking about plants that need acidic to neutral water? Please clarify.

A great majority of plants will die with pH over 9, where goldfish will
thrive. The poster didn't say what kinds of plants, nor how quickly they
died. It could very well be, as you surmised from the beginning, that the
problem is simply winter. We don't know if Pat doesn't tell us. ~ jan

"~ janj" wrote in message
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And in my experience pond plants are not so easy to kill. I assume
*you're*
talking about plants that need acidic to neutral water? Please clarify.

A great majority of plants will die with pH over 9, where goldfish will
thrive. The poster didn't say what kinds of plants, nor how quickly they
died. It could very well be, as you surmised from the beginning, that the
problem is simply winter. We don't know if Pat doesn't tell us. ~ jan
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Let's hope she does. :-)
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

Is that so...still yet more babbling idiotic statements from a
babbling idiot named Tristan aka Roy Hauer



"Tristan" wrote in message
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Is that so...still yet more babbling idiotic statements from a
babbling idiot named Carol aka Andrea Nogales

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:01:41 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


wrote in message
legroups.com...

Zëbulon wrote:
If the water was that drastically different I would think the fish
would
have also reacted badly yet the OP says they're fine. I have to
acclimate
every fish I buy here or they die from what was called PH shock.
Nutrients pH.
d.
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PH,... TDS etc. Sure, the fish may sicken and die - but not pond type
plants. Lack of nutrients don't kill plants quickly. I've been
growing and
selling pond plants for over 5 years now and never once saw them
suddenly
die due to a total water change.



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Oh I am saure Tristan aka Roy Hauer will respond, and of course as usual
will have the totally wrong answer. But then someone will reposnd with
correct answer and then he can go into action and ad lib his
rendition.

"Tristan" wrote in message
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Oh I am saure Carol aka Zebulon will respond, and of course as usual
will have the totally wrong answer. But then someone will reposnd with
correct answer and then she can go into action and ad lib her
rendition.


On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 10:58:54 GMT, wrote:

maybe somebody in rec.ponds would know the answer to this. but post
it over here too
to make sure Pat gets the answer. Ingrid

"PatC" wrote:

A few months ago we applied a 'pond sealer' as our concrete based
pond had
sprung a leak.
Since then all has been fine with the fish & no leaking. They have
even
spawned & we have young goldfish (fanatails & shebunkins) thriving in
a
seperate area.
All the plants that we had previously were vigorous & needed constant
cutting back but have now died.
I went to a bit of expense & got new ones - same thing happened.
I could see no warning on the can & we followed directions to the
letter re
changing the water etc., before re-introducing the fish again.
Is there anything we can do as we live in a hot climate & the fish
need
protection from the heat. We do have shadecloth over the pond but
would also
like some plants to survive.
Anyone got any ideas please?

Ta Pat





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