Newbie aquarium question

I just bought a 25gallon aquarium about a week ago and put the substate
and live rock in it. I haven't put coral and fish in and today I
suddenly found the water turned yellow!

I have pumps (Rio 800) running and using Biological filter calls.. What
do you guys think the problem come from? I changed water (about 60%
change) today but still feel water is yellow. What do you think? Shall
I do a complete water change?

Thanks!

Your tank is cycling...if you're seriously going to get into this hobby
one thing you need to learn up front is patience. Nothing happens
overnight.

You rock takes months to cure. You should not have changed your water at
all yet.
Do you have a protein skimmer ? While you're curing rock you should be
running a
protein skimmer 24/7 7 days a week. Smells good I bet : )


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ups.com...
I just bought a 25gallon aquarium about a week ago and put the substate
and live rock in it. I haven't put coral and fish in and today I
suddenly found the water turned yellow!

I have pumps (Rio 800) running and using Biological filter calls.. What
do you guys think the problem come from? I changed water (about 60%
change) today but still feel water is yellow. What do you think? Shall
I do a complete water change?

Thanks!

wrote:

I just bought a 25gallon aquarium about a week ago and put the substate
and live rock in it. I haven't put coral and fish in and today I
suddenly found the water turned yellow!

I have pumps (Rio 800) running and using Biological filter calls.. What
do you guys think the problem come from? I changed water (about 60%
change) today but still feel water is yellow. What do you think? Shall
I do a complete water change?

Thanks!


25 gal is small for a marine tank. Can be done, but it's trickier with
a small tank like that.

Yellow is from stuff decomposing on the live rock. This happens with new
live rock. it'll likely get a bit worse befpore it gets better.

Don't put any livestock in before this yellowing clears up. Don't fic it
by changing the water (not yet anyway) - you will screw up the cycling
if you start changing water thois soon.

You don't mention if you have a skimmer or not. Skimmers are NOT
optional, no matter what you may have heard or been told. You need one.
Get one. use it. It will pull a lot of the "yellow" out of your water.

I would do water changes if it is real high in ammonia or
nitrite, in order to preserve the life on the rock.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



TheRock wrote on 1/13/2007 7:17 AM:
Your tank is cycling...if you're seriously going to get into this hobby
one thing you need to learn up front is patience. Nothing happens
overnight.

You rock takes months to cure. You should not have changed your water at
all yet.
Do you have a protein skimmer ? While you're curing rock you should be
running a
protein skimmer 24/7 7 days a week. Smells good I bet : )


wrote in message
ups.com...
I just bought a 25gallon aquarium about a week ago and put the substate
and live rock in it. I haven't put coral and fish in and today I
suddenly found the water turned yellow!

I have pumps (Rio 800) running and using Biological filter calls.. What
do you guys think the problem come from? I changed water (about 60%
change) today but still feel water is yellow. What do you think? Shall
I do a complete water change?

Thanks!

wrote:
I just bought a 25gallon aquarium about a week ago and put the substate
and live rock in it. I haven't put coral and fish in and today I
suddenly found the water turned yellow!

I have pumps (Rio 800) running and using Biological filter calls.. What
do you guys think the problem come from? I changed water (about 60%
change) today but still feel water is yellow. What do you think? Shall
I do a complete water change?

Thanks!


OK I'm a newbie but want to ask a few questions of you....or clarify
that you are following the same concepts that I am....

The point of Live Rock is that it does your filtration for you....once
it is cured of course and most of the die off has happened - and this
die off is generally down to shipping and the decay of stuff that died
during shipping - cured rock is a good way to go when starting up unless
you are prepared to wait for it to cure itself - and it sounds pretty
much to me that this is what you are doing....even if
unintended....uncured rock is cheaper because your LFS hasn't made the
investment of keeping it for weeks to do it themselves....

Mechanical and convential biological filtration, from my research, are
fine if you want a fish only tank....but they will mean that your
nitrates and phosphates will be at a level that can sustain fish but not
inverts....so it is a choice as to what your priorities are......I want
corals, inverts and fish so have opted for all my "filtration" and
"conversions" being done by my live rock and now live sand (the sand
having been populated by the creatures in my rock)....

I know that you have been asked about whether you have a protein skimmer
or not....from my experience with my little 15 gall Nano I would not be
without one....this yellow water you are talking about is what I empty
into the sink from the cup of my skimmer.....what I see in the cup of
the skimmer is enough to freak me as to what it would be like if I
didn't have my cheap budget protein skimmer (cost me £18 plus the air
pump - £22)....it has to be said every penny spent is well worth
it...and if we got into a larger tank (or even my small tank) - if you
evaluate the cost of your corals against this one essential piece of kit
the cost works out.....the loss of your frags at between £20 and £40
pounds compared to a more expensive model still costs out well - let
alone the emotional cost and the frustration....

Gill

Hmmmm. if that Sanders Picolo skimmer and yellow tinted water grosses
you out, wait until you get a "real" skimmer and get to empty out some
black green junk that would make the contents of a septic tank look
like drinking water.........


On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:21:26 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:

wrote:
I just bought a 25gallon aquarium about a week ago and put the substate
and live rock in it. I haven't put coral and fish in and today I
suddenly found the water turned yellow!

I have pumps (Rio 800) running and using Biological filter calls.. What
do you guys think the problem come from? I changed water (about 60%
change) today but still feel water is yellow. What do you think? Shall
I do a complete water change?

Thanks!


OK I'm a newbie but want to ask a few questions of you....or clarify
that you are following the same concepts that I am....

The point of Live Rock is that it does your filtration for you....once
it is cured of course and most of the die off has happened - and this
die off is generally down to shipping and the decay of stuff that died
during shipping - cured rock is a good way to go when starting up unless
you are prepared to wait for it to cure itself - and it sounds pretty
much to me that this is what you are doing....even if
unintended....uncured rock is cheaper because your LFS hasn't made the
investment of keeping it for weeks to do it themselves....

Mechanical and convential biological filtration, from my research, are
fine if you want a fish only tank....but they will mean that your
nitrates and phosphates will be at a level that can sustain fish but not
inverts....so it is a choice as to what your priorities are......I want
corals, inverts and fish so have opted for all my "filtration" and
"conversions" being done by my live rock and now live sand (the sand
having been populated by the creatures in my rock)....

I know that you have been asked about whether you have a protein skimmer
or not....from my experience with my little 15 gall Nano I would not be
without one....this yellow water you are talking about is what I empty
into the sink from the cup of my skimmer.....what I see in the cup of
the skimmer is enough to freak me as to what it would be like if I
didn't have my cheap budget protein skimmer (cost me £18 plus the air
pump - £22)....it has to be said every penny spent is well worth
it...and if we got into a larger tank (or even my small tank) - if you
evaluate the cost of your corals against this one essential piece of kit
the cost works out.....the loss of your frags at between £20 and £40
pounds compared to a more expensive model still costs out well - let
alone the emotional cost and the frustration....

Gill



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Tristan wrote:

Hmmmm. if that Sanders Picolo skimmer and yellow tinted water grosses
you out, wait until you get a "real" skimmer and get to empty out some
black green junk that would make the contents of a septic tank look
like drinking water.........


Hmmm....but that little Sanders Piccolo skimmer on my dinky 15 gall
along with all the gross water it gathers has totally convinced me that
a protein skimmer is an absolute essential - so in that way it has done
a great job without costing me as much as it might on a larger tank -
now I know when I go out and buy that larger tank (soon) that the
protein skimmer is an absolute essential and I won't baulk at the cost....

Gill

You hear lots of folks say on some forums that a skimmer is not needed
ifyu do weekly or bi monthly water changes. I still do water changes
and run skimmers on my tanks, and water is still nasty.......I can
dump a collection cup of nasty black green skim every day or two...so
I also agree, a skimmer is an important piece of equipment. I have One
high end skimmer, but mainly swing with Coralife SUper skimmers form
most of my tanks and they are decently priced and do a good job. I
tried to bump my high end skimmer ASM ( I think its an ASM anyhow as
its been a while since i fooled with it) up against the coralife to
see how they compare but its hard to do, as having two tanks be
identical is pretty well impossible to accomplish....Heck as long as
its dark, stinks and winds up in the cup I am satisfied they are
doing what needs to be done.

You can take a sample of water form a tank that gets water changes
only and one from a tank with a skimmer and hold those samples up to
daylight . There is a distinct difference in the water between the
two. The water without a skimmer on the tank is a pronounced yellow
tint as compared to the other being clear and colorless.





..On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:54:32 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:

Tristan wrote:

Hmmmm. if that Sanders Picolo skimmer and yellow tinted water grosses
you out, wait until you get a "real" skimmer and get to empty out some
black green junk that would make the contents of a septic tank look
like drinking water.........


Hmmm....but that little Sanders Piccolo skimmer on my dinky 15 gall
along with all the gross water it gathers has totally convinced me that
a protein skimmer is an absolute essential - so in that way it has done
a great job without costing me as much as it might on a larger tank -
now I know when I go out and buy that larger tank (soon) that the
protein skimmer is an absolute essential and I won't baulk at the cost....

Gill



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

25 gal is not small for a marine tank. I have a bunch of pico tanks 2
gal or less that have been up and runing for two or more years and do
just fine. I even have a 1 quart PICO with a yasha hasha goby and
pistol shrimp ni it loaded with zoos and shrooms doing just fine. I
have yet another tiny pico tank made with a brandy snifter (less than
a quart) with a panda goby in it doing just fine for over a year now.
If temps can be managed properly, they are not any harder than any
other tank.





On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:25:44 -0500, that *other* annoying little troll
wrote:

wrote:

I just bought a 25gallon aquarium about a week ago and put the substate
and live rock in it. I haven't put coral and fish in and today I
suddenly found the water turned yellow!

I have pumps (Rio 800) running and using Biological filter calls.. What
do you guys think the problem come from? I changed water (about 60%
change) today but still feel water is yellow. What do you think? Shall
I do a complete water change?

Thanks!


25 gal is small for a marine tank. Can be done, but it's trickier with
a small tank like that.

Yellow is from stuff decomposing on the live rock. This happens with new
live rock. it'll likely get a bit worse befpore it gets better.

Don't put any livestock in before this yellowing clears up. Don't fic it
by changing the water (not yet anyway) - you will screw up the cycling
if you start changing water thois soon.

You don't mention if you have a skimmer or not. Skimmers are NOT
optional, no matter what you may have heard or been told. You need one.
Get one. use it. It will pull a lot of the "yellow" out of your water.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Thats just so precious to beat on old women eh hero boy Roy "tristan" hauer?
How bout you beat on old man in wheelchair eh? Why a helpless old lady, eh?
Troll me here Tristan scumbag.

"Tristan" wrote in message
...


25 gal is not small for a marine tank. I have a bunch of pico tanks 2
gal or less that have been up and runing for two or more years and do
just fine. I even have a 1 quart PICO with a yasha hasha goby and
pistol shrimp ni it loaded with zoos and shrooms doing just fine. I
have yet another tiny pico tank made with a brandy snifter (less than
a quart) with a panda goby in it doing just fine for over a year now.
If temps can be managed properly, they are not any harder than any
other tank.





On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:25:44 -0500, that *other* annoying little troll
wrote:

wrote:

I just bought a 25gallon aquarium about a week ago and put the
substate
and live rock in it. I haven't put coral and fish in and today I
suddenly found the water turned yellow!

I have pumps (Rio 800) running and using Biological filter calls..
What
do you guys think the problem come from? I changed water (about 60%
change) today but still feel water is yellow. What do you think?
Shall
I do a complete water change?

Thanks!


25 gal is small for a marine tank. Can be done, but it's trickier
with
a small tank like that.

Yellow is from stuff decomposing on the live rock. This happens with
new
live rock. it'll likely get a bit worse befpore it gets better.

Don't put any livestock in before this yellowing clears up. Don't fic
it
by changing the water (not yet anyway) - you will screw up the cycling
if you start changing water thois soon.

You don't mention if you have a skimmer or not. Skimmers are NOT
optional, no matter what you may have heard or been told. You need
one.
Get one. use it. It will pull a lot of the "yellow" out of your water.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!