Levels Getting Worse.....

Most posts are fine, and folks get correct answers, that is unless its
Zebulon and her canned erroneous replies, which are not even in the
ballgame in lots of circumstances. One wold be welladvised on
utilizing any info Zebulon or whatever nym she changes to as her info
has a track record of being WRONG.....Strick with Tynk Carls, Gill
and a few of the others, they are dead on in being correct.



On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:03:49 -0800, "Don Freeman"
wrote:


"Tynk" wrote in message
groups.com...

Actually, they *should* vacuum the gravel during the cycling period.

I started lurking here about a month ago as I was thinking about getting
back into keeping tropical fish. I had been a fairly avid hobbyist about 35
years ago, and am amazed at the advancements in the knowledge available. I
had never even heard of cycling a tank back then, I had pH testing, a couple
of anti-bacterial and fungal treatments and that's about all. At least from
what I remember.

So it looks like I have quite a bit to learn before getting too involved.
One thing that would help is a step by step guide on setting up a new tank
so that all the details (such as the one above regarding vacuuming the
gravel during the cycling period) are delineated and put in their proper
perspective within the process. Is there a consensus in the group as the
most comprehensive, correct, and readable guide (either printed or web page)
for setting up a new tank geared toward the new hobbyist?

BTW, I am very impressed with the quality of posts in this group and (except
for a few notable but very rare occasions) the civilized way in which the
discussions are presented.

Thanks,
-Don



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

"Don Freeman" wrote in message
...

"Tynk" wrote in message
ps.com...

Actually, they *should* vacuum the gravel during the cycling period.

I started lurking here about a month ago as I was thinking about getting
back into keeping tropical fish. I had been a fairly avid hobbyist about
35 years ago, and am amazed at the advancements in the knowledge
available. I had never even heard of cycling a tank back then, I had pH
testing, a couple of anti-bacterial and fungal treatments and that's about
all. At least from what I remember.

I got my first aquarium in the early 1950s. The changes are unbelievable
over the years. Pick up some Fish magazines and search the web. The new
knowledge is everywhere.

So it looks like I have quite a bit to learn before getting too involved.
One thing that would help is a step by step guide on setting up a new tank
so that all the details (such as the one above regarding vacuuming the
gravel during the cycling period) are delineated and put in their proper
perspective within the process.

Keep in mind what works the best for one person and their set up and
conditions, may not for another.

Is there a consensus in the group as the
most comprehensive, correct, and readable guide (either printed or web
page) for setting up a new tank geared toward the new hobbyist?

BTW, I am very impressed with the quality of posts in this group and
(except for a few notable but very rare occasions) the civilized way in
which the discussions are presented.

Hang out and learn......... we all are! :-)

--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:42:00 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


"Don Freeman" wrote in message
. ..

"Tynk" wrote in message
ps.com...

Actually, they *should* vacuum the gravel during the cycling period.

I started lurking here about a month ago as I was thinking about getting
back into keeping tropical fish. I had been a fairly avid hobbyist about
35 years ago, and am amazed at the advancements in the knowledge
available. I had never even heard of cycling a tank back then, I had pH
testing, a couple of anti-bacterial and fungal treatments and that's about
all. At least from what I remember.

I got my first aquarium in the early 1950s. The changes are unbelievable
over the years. Pick up some Fish magazines and search the web. The new
knowledge is everywhere.

Then why do you continually give bad advice Carol? Maybe y need to
buy a few magazines and follow your own advice.....but your info sucks
big time that you give. Your totally clueless and ingnorant in what yu
advise others to do.


So it looks like I have quite a bit to learn before getting too involved.
One thing that would help is a step by step guide on setting up a new tank
so that all the details (such as the one above regarding vacuuming the
gravel during the cycling period) are delineated and put in their proper
perspective within the process.

Keep in mind what works the best for one person and their set up and
conditions, may not for another.

Yes, but your so far out in left fild most times and thats where the
difference lay. Seems odd a person inthe UK can give advice top a
problem a person has and it gets remidied, and that can be applied to
virtually all, yet when you r caught giving erroneous crapout like you
do your comeback is well it works for me. For some reason or other, I
would certainly not want to do anythng you recomemnd on that kind of
thought process, as its bound to be hazzardous to more than it helps.

Is there a consensus in the group as the
most comprehensive, correct, and readable guide (either printed or web
page) for setting up a new tank geared toward the new hobbyist?

Just because its on th einternet to lots of foks means it has tor be
right. But then look at folks like carol aka Zebulon. She has a
website and she frequents forums, and is always handing out erroneous
info......Hang around the forums and it does not take long to see who
is giving good info and who is full of **** like CArol and a few of
her supporters of plagarism.

BTW, I am very impressed with the quality of posts in this group and
(except for a few notable but very rare occasions) the civilized way in
which the discussions are presented.

Hang out and learn......... we all are! :-)
Too bad carol your not hanging, like your buddy Ed Alston
contemplated doing in the suicide groups. Now all the tweo of you do
is trash and make problems for any groups you all decide to hang out
in.




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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

"Don Freeman" wrote in
:

I started lurking here about a month ago as I was thinking about
getting back into keeping tropical fish. I had been a fairly avid
hobbyist about 35 years ago, and am amazed at the advancements in the
knowledge available. I had never even heard of cycling a tank back
then, I had pH testing, a couple of anti-bacterial and fungal
treatments and that's about all. At least from what I remember.

So it looks like I have quite a bit to learn before getting too
involved. One thing that would help is a step by step guide on setting
up a new tank so that all the details (such as the one above regarding
vacuuming the gravel during the cycling period) are delineated and put
in their proper perspective within the process. Is there a consensus
in the group as the most comprehensive, correct, and readable guide
(either printed or web page) for setting up a new tank geared toward
the new hobbyist?

BTW, I am very impressed with the quality of posts in this group and
(except for a few notable but very rare occasions) the civilized way
in which the discussions are presented.

Thanks,
-Don

Hi Don,

I highly reccomend Netmax's site;

http://www.netmax.tk/

Its a very easy read, and has sound, up to date advice. The left hand
side of his main page is a list of links by subject, and running through
them in order will get you up t ospeed

There is also a link at the bottom of that list which might interest
you, called "whats changed in 30 years". It kind of gives a fast
history of the major innovations that have changed the face of the hobby
since you left.

Regards
DaveZ
Atom Weaver

"atomweaver" wrote in message
...
"Don Freeman" wrote in
:

I started lurking here about a month ago as I was thinking about
getting back into keeping tropical fish. Hi Don,

I highly reccomend Netmax's site;

http://www.netmax.tk/

There is also a link at the bottom of that list which might interest
you, called "whats changed in 30 years".

How ironic, as well as informative. Thanks for the link, I will dedicate
some time to reading it. I am not impatient with getting setup with fish
and I like planting anyway so waiting for the tank to cycle won't be a
hardship.
-Don

Don Freeman wrote:
I am not impatient with getting setup with fish
and I like planting anyway so waiting for the tank to cycle won't be a
hardship.
-Don



BTW I hope that you are aware...but until you either add the fish in or
another source of ammonia your tank won't begin to cycle even if you
have the plants in there....the water and environment may well mature
but this is not the same thing....

Gill

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
Don Freeman wrote:
I am not impatient with getting setup with fish and I like planting
anyway so waiting for the tank to cycle won't be a hardship.
-Don


BTW I hope that you are aware...but until you either add the fish in or
another source of ammonia your tank won't begin to cycle even if you have
the plants in there....the water and environment may well mature but this
is not the same thing....

There is obviously a lot I am unaware of, but I intend to do a lot more
reading and other research before attempting this. So, hopefully, I will be
a lot more informed at the time I start.

Don Freeman wrote:



There is obviously a lot I am unaware of, but I intend to do a lot more
reading and other research before attempting this. So, hopefully, I will be
a lot more informed at the time I start.


I hope that I didn't come across as beating on you because that wasn't
the intention...the fact that you are posting on a group such as rafm
shows that you are indeed all about learning....

I would suggest you go and do some reading on the following sites:-

http://faq.thekrib.com
http://www.netmax.tk
http://www.skepticalaquarist.com

and Carl's website blogs....which I can't find a link for general access
to at the moment but I'm pretty sure he will provide it....

All of these will give you a good starting base....but you WILL have
follow up questions so feel free to ask....

Gill

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
Don Freeman wrote:

There is obviously a lot I am unaware of,
I hope that I didn't come across as beating on you because that wasn't

I did not take your response that way at all, and thanks for the links.

--
-Don
Ever had one of those days where you just felt like:
http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html ?
(Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time)

"Tristan" wrote in message
...


Carol........SHUT THE HELL UP you clueless jerk!


Moved your trolling to this group now? How many more groups are you going
to destroy before you get it through your thick skull that you can't
terrorize people off these groups for your own warped gratification? Use
your killfile.