Levels Getting Worse.....

Zëbulon wrote:


It has nothing to do with the whole "what works for you may not work
for me" kind of thing.

Sure it does! It DOES work for me and has for years. Just because it
doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work for me or someone else.

This doesn't apply to this situation. It's not just a different way of
doing things.

Then you do what works for YOU and I'll do what works best for ME.


Well,
Obviously once again you refuse to learn the current facts of the
hobby.
You are once again spreading false information out to folks who need to
be told the correct information.
You refuse to do any research, and act childish with your "you do what
works for you and I'll do what works for me"attitude.
Current science says what you are saying is wrong.
I'm sorry that you refuse to learn the current info in this great
hobby. That's sad.
Why would you want to keep telling people the wrong thing?
Isn't that a bit dumb?
You won't go read a published magazine that talks all about it and the
science behind it, because it costs $4.95.
How about using the computer you type into everyday to do a search on
it.
That's not going to cost you anything but a little effort.
What's a little effort when it comes to learning?
Here, I'll even give you a head start....
Research Nitrifying bacteria and Dr. Peter Strom.

Does your wife and Dr know you harass and stalk and slander old women and
vets in wheelchairs online? Get back on your Thorazine Roy Tristan Hauer
before eveyone knows what a lowlife scumbag you really are.

Your already looking damn bad in the eyes of the public what with
slandering old women and tormenting disabled vets. When you abuse others Roy
Hauer... others just may harass you. Get back on yor meds.

Tristan, the slandering net stalking psycho 4Fer is Roy Hauer.

"Tristan" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:42:00 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


"Don Freeman" wrote in message
. ..

"Tynk" wrote in message
ps.com...

Actually, they *should* vacuum the gravel during the cycling
period.

I started lurking here about a month ago as I was thinking about
getting
back into keeping tropical fish. I had been a fairly avid hobbyist
about
35 years ago, and am amazed at the advancements in the knowledge
available. I had never even heard of cycling a tank back then, I
had pH
testing, a couple of anti-bacterial and fungal treatments and that's
about
all. At least from what I remember.

I got my first aquarium in the early 1950s. The changes are
unbelievable
over the years. Pick up some Fish magazines and search the web. The
new
knowledge is everywhere.

Then why do you continually give bad advice Carol? Maybe y need to
buy a few magazines and follow your own advice.....but your info sucks
big time that you give. Your totally clueless and ingnorant in what yu
advise others to do.


So it looks like I have quite a bit to learn before getting too
involved.
One thing that would help is a step by step guide on setting up a
new tank
so that all the details (such as the one above regarding vacuuming
the
gravel during the cycling period) are delineated and put in their
proper
perspective within the process.

Keep in mind what works the best for one person and their set up and
conditions, may not for another.

Yes, but your so far out in left fild most times and thats where the
difference lay. Seems odd a person inthe UK can give advice top a
problem a person has and it gets remidied, and that can be applied to
virtually all, yet when you r caught giving erroneous crapout like you
do your comeback is well it works for me. For some reason or other, I
would certainly not want to do anythng you recomemnd on that kind of
thought process, as its bound to be hazzardous to more than it helps.

Is there a consensus in the group as the
most comprehensive, correct, and readable guide (either printed or
web
page) for setting up a new tank geared toward the new hobbyist?

Just because its on th einternet to lots of foks means it has tor be
right. But then look at folks like carol aka Zebulon. She has a
website and she frequents forums, and is always handing out erroneous
info......Hang around the forums and it does not take long to see who
is giving good info and who is full of **** like CArol and a few of
her supporters of plagarism.

BTW, I am very impressed with the quality of posts in this group and
(except for a few notable but very rare occasions) the civilized way
in
which the discussions are presented.

Hang out and learn......... we all are! :-)
Too bad carol your not hanging, like your buddy Ed Alston
contemplated doing in the suicide groups. Now all the tweo of you do
is trash and make problems for any groups you all decide to hang out
in.




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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Does your wife and Dr know you harass and stalk and slander old women and
vets in wheelchairs online? Get back on your Thorazine Roy Tristan Hauer....
before eveyone knows what a lowlife scumbag you really are. Not that theyre
not aware you have serious mentalk issues.

Your already looking damn bad in the eyes of the public what with
slandering old women and tormenting disabled vets. When you abuse others Roy
Hauer... others just may harass you. Get back on yor meds.

Tristan, the slandering net stalking psycho 4Fer is Roy Hauer.

"Tristan" wrote in message
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CAROL....STFU and let those that know what the hell they are talking
about tell the folks with questiions what their answers are. You do
nothing but ad lib and confuse the issues, and create
turmoil.........go out in the street and play.

You contribue nothing to the awuaria groups and certainly are a
detractant in the human race as well.




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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Does your Dr and wife know you harass and stalk and slander old women and
vets in wheelchairs online? Get back on your Thorazine Roy Tristan Hauer....
before eveyone knows what a lowlife scumbag you really are. Not that theyre
not aware you have serious mentalk issues.

Your already looking damn bad in the eyes of the public what with
slandering old women and tormenting disabled old vets. When you abuse and
troll others Roy Hauer... others just may just decide to harass you back.
Get back on yor meds.

Tristan, the slandering net stalking psycho 4Fer is Roy Hauer.

"Tristan" wrote in message
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Carol........SHUT THE HELL UP you clueless jerk!


On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:38:02 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


"Tynk" wrote in message
groups.com...

Zëbulon wrote:

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For now keep doing partial water changes until the cycle finishes.
Don't
disturb the gravel or filter material as the good bacteria are tying
to
hang
on and multiply. Keep feeding sparingly and keep us posted.
--
ZB....

Actually, they *should* vacuum the gravel during the cycling period.

That's not what I was told to do unless there was decomposing food on
it.
And that advice has always worked for me. :-)

The nitrifying bacteria secrete a glue like substance and adhere to
every surface. They are NOT going anywhere. Vacuuming gravel isn't
going to budge them.

Then vacuum it. I'll do as I've always done since it works so well
for me.

It would do more harm to the health of the tank *not* to vacuum during
a cycle.

True, if there is uneaten food or decaying plants lying on it. It's
whatever works for YOU. What works BEST for me is to feed lightly and
do
enough partial water changes to keep the the ammonia/nitrites at not
lethal
levels until the cycle is finished.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

How compassionate of you Roy Hauer and you being crazier than a ****house
rat on speed.


"Tristan" wrote in message
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Oh look Ed Alston the suicide wacko has joined the group........Did
you gather up any more davron and other illegal drugs Ed. You should
have done like they suggested in the suicide group and thats use a
gun and end your miseable life.....Ed Alston who wants to take the one
way bus ride buts too cheap to buy what he needs......duh!

....On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:28:34 -0600, "-|-=[LÈGIÖoN]=-|-"
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:36:28 -0600, Tristan
wrote:

Tristan Royl........SHUT THE HELL UP PYSYCHO .......... you clueless
twit!Better yet do us a favor and FOAD!



Carol........SHUT THE HELL UP you clueless jerk!


On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:38:02 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


"Tynk" wrote in message
ooglegroups.com...

Zëbulon wrote:

=============================
For now keep doing partial water changes until the cycle
finishes. Don't
disturb the gravel or filter material as the good bacteria are
tying to
hang
on and multiply. Keep feeding sparingly and keep us posted.
--
ZB....

Actually, they *should* vacuum the gravel during the cycling
period.

That's not what I was told to do unless there was decomposing
food on it.
And that advice has always worked for me. :-)

The nitrifying bacteria secrete a glue like substance and adhere
to
every surface. They are NOT going anywhere. Vacuuming gravel
isn't
going to budge them.

Then vacuum it. I'll do as I've always done since it works so
well for me.

It would do more harm to the health of the tank *not* to vacuum
during
a cycle.

True, if there is uneaten food or decaying plants lying on it.
It's
whatever works for YOU. What works BEST for me is to feed
lightly and do
enough partial water changes to keep the the ammonia/nitrites at
not lethal
levels until the cycle is finished.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Does your Dr and wife know you harass and stalk and slander old women and
vets in wheelchairs online? Get back on your Thorazine Roy Tristan Hauer....
before eveyone knows what a lowlife scumbag you really are. Not that theyre
not aware you have serious mentalk issues.

Your already looking damn bad in the eyes of the public what with
slandering old women and tormenting disabled old vets. When you abuse and
troll others Roy Hauer... others just may just decide to harass you back.
Get back on yor meds. Get back in treatments.

Tristan, the slandering net stalking psycho 4Fer is Roy Hauer.

"Tristan" wrote in message
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Too bad your not adept at constructing your own posts dumbass. Its
way to easy to forge and rearange what others state ....Typical for
carol and her typical sock puppets or Ed Alston the suicide freak!

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:09:16 -0600, "Roberta Rotidia"
wrote:

Roy Tristan........SHUT THE HELL UP you clueless jerkoff
troll! No
one cares about your flame war with disabled veterans and old ladies.
take
it to email already.......... you go from group to group destroying
them
with your toxic bull**** and negative vibes.

Too bad Roy Tristan Hauer your not hanging, like your buddy Jabbers
Santana
contemplated doing in the suicide groups elling the depressed to kill
themselves. Now all the tweo of you do
is trash and make problems for any groups you all decide to hang out
in.

"Tristan" wrote in message
m...
YOU bwil stil have a indicatin of ammonia, nitrate and nitrite even
when yu use Amquel. Its still there and will show on a test, but its
locked up and rendered safe........it can take quite a few water
changes to eliminate that indication your getting., I would lay off
adding amny more Amquell.....Just the va of gravel, and really by
now
there should not be anything left to gravel......but it wil not
hurt,
doing it and as a means of pulling out water to make room for a
water
change addition. Continue laying off feed.....Those fish are not
gong
to starve.........

Why is it you do not have an ammonia test kit?

Just work at getting the nitrate and nitrite levels and ammonia
whewre
they need to be. None of the other readings are gona do in the fish
in a hurry and can be worked on after yu get this tank up and cycled
right. Its never a good idea to make too many changes all at once
and
what your doing now is fine.......


On 17 Jan 2007 07:57:21 -0800, "JB" wrote:

I tried the suggestions on vacuuming my gravel for waste,
cutting back
on my feeding to now once every other day and not very much...
I've
completed two 25% water changes, and added AmQuel to try and
Neutralize
the Nitrates and Nitrites..

So far I have the following...

Nitrate = 40ppm

Nitrite = 5.0ppm

Hardness = 150ppm (up from 75ppm from before)

Alkalinity = 0 (yes Zero.. It was around 40ppm Just yesterday)

PH = 6.8 (down from 7.2)

Now keeping in mind I did a 100% Water change last Tuesday 9th,
and
have three 2" sword tail fish & about 14 or so fry in a net and
with
the 100% change I cleaned all Decor & Gravel well, got rid of
algae,
etc.. I don't know what I'm missing or can do to fix my levels..

My fish are just kinda "hanging around" most of the time...
Sorry if
this seems like a identical repost, but it's more of an update
and I
don't know what to do...



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

On 18 Jan 2007 20:29:11 -0800, "Tynk" wrote:


Zëbulon wrote:


It has nothing to do with the whole "what works for you may not work
for me" kind of thing.

Sure it does! It DOES work for me and has for years. Just because it
doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work for me or someone else.

This doesn't apply to this situation. It's not just a different way of
doing things.

Then you do what works for YOU and I'll do what works best for ME.


Well,
Obviously once again you refuse to learn the current facts of the
hobby.
You are once again spreading false information out to folks who need to
be told the correct information.
You refuse to do any research, and act childish with your "you do what
works for you and I'll do what works for me"attitude.
Current science says what you are saying is wrong.
I'm sorry that you refuse to learn the current info in this great
hobby. That's sad.
Why would you want to keep telling people the wrong thing?
Isn't that a bit dumb?
You won't go read a published magazine that talks all about it and the
science behind it, because it costs $4.95.
How about using the computer you type into everyday to do a search on
it.
That's not going to cost you anything but a little effort.
What's a little effort when it comes to learning?
Here, I'll even give you a head start....
Research Nitrifying bacteria and Dr. Peter Strom.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Tristan wrote:


snip of bull****


I see the mentally challenged trolls are back again. Must be a medication
shortage.

For those who wish to carry on a dialogue relevant to aquariums, join the
Google group "The Freshwater Aquarium." That's where most of us who didn't
want to put up with the degenerates have gone.

--
It's turtles, all the way down

Don Freeman wrote:
"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...

Don Freeman wrote:


There is obviously a lot I am unaware of,

I hope that I didn't come across as beating on you because that wasn't


I did not take your response that way at all, and thanks for the links.


Of course, if after reading the stuff on NetMax's site you want him to
help you out you can find him on the google group The Freshwater
Aquarium.....

http://groups.google.com/group/The-F...s?lnk=li&hl=en

I must add that as a co-owner of this group I do have a vested interest
unlike those that pointed you at NetMax's site

Gill

JB...accoding to instuctions on the bottle of Amquel I just read
yesterday AMQUEL + IIRC it staated in plain words....that ringers and
some other type test kits can not be used and expected to get correct
results when amquel is used. sop perhaps that is why you are getting
these high readings in additon to a new tank basically cycling.
Virtually all test kits fall into the two types mentioned.......and
you wil continue top pick up nitrate etc even though its locked up and
inert.....enough water changes down the line and it will drop to zero
as the amquel is diluted. Part and parcel of using amquel or any of
the locking type chemicals.


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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!