Help - sick goldfish

Just look at your own records.......I make one single post and CArol
manages to make an additional 6 posts without saying a ****ing thing,
as well as drag in Ed Alston and a few others to make a single post
into a post contianining at least 10+ additional posts and all without
say8ing a worthwhile thng. You all belong in the bozo
bin..........Please do me the honors........So who really trashes and
trolls the groups.....Its not Jabbers or Tristan its Ed Alstonand
CArol Gulley and whatever dreges they can drag in along with them in
their jihad...too ****ing losers from the git go.Carol Gulley and Ed
Alston...


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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

"Dave Doe" wrote in message
. nz...
In article ,
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"Gill Passman" wrote in message
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On Feb 5, 3:51 pm, Tristan wrote:

What ever yu do do not pay any attentio to Carol Gulley aka Zebulon as
she is known to give out harmfull info and it could do your fish more
harm than good......
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I haven't seen one person come back here since 1996 claiming "Carol" gave
out information that harmed their fish. I'm sure you noticed your friend
Tristan slanders me every chance he gets. It looks like all these NGs
will
have to be moderated to stop the verbal abuse and constant trolling of
posters.

It would help if you didn't reply to Tristan and just Bozo binned him
(as I and hopefully many others have).

Why let yourself be baited?
===========================
I guess you're right. Most people, after reading a few of his rants, will
do the old bozo bin number. :-)
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Zëbulon wrote:

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...

On Feb 5, 3:51 pm, Tristan wrote:

What ever yu do do not pay any attentio to Carol Gulley aka Zebulon as
she is known to give out harmfull info and it could do your fish more
harm than good......

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I haven't seen one person come back here since 1996 claiming "Carol"
gave out information that harmed their fish. I'm sure you noticed your
friend Tristan slanders me every chance he gets. It looks like all
these NGs will have to be moderated to stop the verbal abuse and
constant trolling of posters.

I must register my objection to your use of editing in this post....you
make it appear that it was me that passed the comment regarding the
information that you give....furthermore your response attempts to
reinforce this.....This I believe is a classic troll ploy to discredit a
poster......

As for whether Tristan is "my friend" or not this has absolutely nothing
with the discussion of the OPs sick goldfish and how best to treat
it.....and is totally irrelevant......In fact the majority of posts made
against this thread by myself and Tristan where aimed at helping the
person with the sick fish....and in my book that is not trolling....

I do not believe that the comments that you have made to me in this
thread and others elsewhere have any place on a Usenet group under a
post made by someone obviously needing help about their fish.....if you
wish to take issue with me for whatever reason the appropriate forum for
this is personal email....and you have my address....as does Ed.....feel
free to mail me with your gripes....I may or may not choose to respond -
but keep it off the fish groups....

Gill

Many thanks to all for your comments and help. An update, now that I
have actually seen the fish...the redness is actually a largish lump
is just forward of the pectoral fin and only on the bottom; looks more
like a large hernia than anything else, and definitely not a skin-
disease type of thing. It's a bit smaller this morning since a 1/2
water change last evening, and the fish is perky and interested in the
(very little bit of) food we gave him.

"Benji" (we actually don't know the sex) is a 11-year-old feeder
goldfish, about 5 inches long, so a 5-gallon tank should be fine, no?
(No room for anything bigger anyway.) We have changed the water once
a month using our (very pure mountain) tap water that we have let sit
open for 2 days, stirring occasionally. We always keep a large carboy-
type jug of water sitting for fish change water and drinking water for
our two snakes.

The tank is not filtered, never in direct sun, and has no plants in
it. We have done a complete water change and tank/gravel scrub
monthly for years (putting the fish in a bucket of the "old" tank
water plus some new water), plus partial changes every so often when
too much food is accidentally fed. The fresh water is always the same
temperature as the tank--learned that lesson the hard way in my callow
yout'.

I will stop and get some antibiotics and salt today, and we will do
partial water changes weekly from now on...hopefully that will do the
trick. I have no idea what to do if the lump is eggs...yikes. Can
one massage them out?

Jeannie

P.S. I will say here that I am disappointed to see that this group is
like most other Usenet newsgroups--certain folks are so intent on
insulting each other that they waste time and bandwidth on off-topic
mud-throwing posts. Guess you can't get away from that anywhere!

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
Zëbulon wrote:

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...

On Feb 5, 3:51 pm, Tristan wrote:

What ever yu do do not pay any attentio to Carol Gulley aka Zebulon as
she is known to give out harmfull info and it could do your fish more
harm than good......

==============
I haven't seen one person come back here since 1996 claiming "Carol" gave
out information that harmed their fish. I'm sure you noticed your friend
Tristan slanders me every chance he gets. It looks like all these NGs
will have to be moderated to stop the verbal abuse and constant trolling
of posters.
---------------
I must register my objection to your use of editing in this post....you
make it appear that it was me that passed the comment regarding the
information that you give....furthermore your response attempts to
reinforce this.....This I believe is a classic troll ploy to discredit a
poster......

What are you talking about? Edit it how? I replied to YOU. I told YOU not
one person has accused me of harming their fish. The troll is the one
constantly slandering and harassing me (and his other victims) from one
group to another.

As for whether Tristan is "my friend" or not this has absolutely nothing
with the discussion of the OPs sick goldfish and how best to treat
it.....and is totally irrelevant......In fact the majority of posts made
against this thread by myself and Tristan where aimed at helping the
person with the sick fish....and in my book that is not trolling....

No one said giving advice was trolling. The constant personal attacks are
TROLLING.

I do not believe that the comments that you have made to me in this thread
and others elsewhere have any place on a Usenet group under a post made by
someone obviously needing help about their fish.....if you wish to take
issue with me for whatever reason the appropriate forum for this is
personal email....and you have my address....as does Ed.....feel free to
mail me with your gripes....I may or may not choose to respond - but keep
it off the fish groups....

Keep WHAT off the fish groups? I can't stop Tristan's constant personal
attacks any more than I can stop the other trolls........
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

I hate to be the berarer of bad news but read on:

On 6 Feb 2007 13:44:56 -0800, "Jeannie" wrote:

Many thanks to all for your comments and help. An update, now that I
have actually seen the fish...the redness is actually a largish lump
is just forward of the pectoral fin and only on the bottom; looks more
like a large hernia than anything else, and definitely not a skin-
disease type of thing. It's a bit smaller this morning since a 1/2
water change last evening, and the fish is perky and interested in the
(very little bit of) food we gave him.

This is good. Perhaps see if you can buy a small container of
medicated food.

"Benji" (we actually don't know the sex) is a 11-year-old feeder
goldfish, about 5 inches long, so a 5-gallon tank should be fine, no?
(No room for anything bigger anyway.) We have changed the water once
a month using our (very pure mountain) tap water that we have let sit
open for 2 days, stirring occasionally. We always keep a large carboy-
type jug of water sitting for fish change water and drinking water for
our two snakes.
NO. 5 gal is much to small for a gold fish espeically one that is 5"
long....I have a feeling yur main problem is from organic rich water,
and an internal bacterial infection.

The tank is not filtered, never in direct sun, and has no plants in
it. We have done a complete water change and tank/gravel scrub
monthly for years (putting the fish in a bucket of the "old" tank
water plus some new water), plus partial changes every so often when
too much food is accidentally fed. The fresh water is always the same
temperature as the tank--learned that lesson the hard way in my callow
yout'.


Water really need sot be filtered with a goldie as they are heavy
contributors to organic loads and messy eaters. Invest in a filter
please! And see what you can do in regards togetting it a bigger tank.
HOw about an outdoor water device usch as a half barrel water garden,
Even at that a half barrel which is typically a water featuyre of one
half a whiskey or wine barrel and approx 20 gal is still small for a
goldie, but its a heck of a lot better thana 5 gal unfiltered tank.
Add a few live plants to pull out nitrogen and other junk. Don't now
your zone, but its possible that half barrel will be suitbale for all
year round use for a bit, as goldies like cooler water and live under
ice without any problems if properly kept. In the meantime look for a
larger home or find a new home for it.

I will stop and get some antibiotics and salt today, and we will do
partial water changes weekly from now on...hopefully that will do the
trick. I have no idea what to do if the lump is eggs...yikes. Can
one massage them out?

Yes, you can, if that is a problem but if you do not know what your
doing you can make things worse. It can still be an internal infection
that causes a swollen up area as such or it could be a tumor or
growth, (not uncommon at all) or egg impaction.

Jeannie

P.S. I will say here that I am disappointed to see that this group is
like most other Usenet newsgroups--certain folks are so intent on
insulting each other that they waste time and bandwidth on off-topic
mud-throwing posts. Guess you can't get away from that anywhere!


Lets just say some folks deserve what they get thrown at them....and
leave it at that.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

You really are a dumbass are you not CArol? DUH, even double DUH!

On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:00:29 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
Zëbulon wrote:

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...

On Feb 5, 3:51 pm, Tristan wrote:

What ever yu do do not pay any attentio to Carol Gulley aka Zebulon as
she is known to give out harmfull info and it could do your fish more
harm than good......

==============
I haven't seen one person come back here since 1996 claiming "Carol" gave
out information that harmed their fish. I'm sure you noticed your friend
Tristan slanders me every chance he gets. It looks like all these NGs
will have to be moderated to stop the verbal abuse and constant trolling
of posters.
---------------
I must register my objection to your use of editing in this post....you
make it appear that it was me that passed the comment regarding the
information that you give....furthermore your response attempts to
reinforce this.....This I believe is a classic troll ploy to discredit a
poster......

What are you talking about? Edit it how? I replied to YOU. I told YOU not
one person has accused me of harming their fish. The troll is the one
constantly slandering and harassing me (and his other victims) from one
group to another.

As for whether Tristan is "my friend" or not this has absolutely nothing
with the discussion of the OPs sick goldfish and how best to treat
it.....and is totally irrelevant......In fact the majority of posts made
against this thread by myself and Tristan where aimed at helping the
person with the sick fish....and in my book that is not trolling....

No one said giving advice was trolling. The constant personal attacks are
TROLLING.

I do not believe that the comments that you have made to me in this thread
and others elsewhere have any place on a Usenet group under a post made by
someone obviously needing help about their fish.....if you wish to take
issue with me for whatever reason the appropriate forum for this is
personal email....and you have my address....as does Ed.....feel free to
mail me with your gripes....I may or may not choose to respond - but keep
it off the fish groups....

Keep WHAT off the fish groups? I can't stop Tristan's constant personal
attacks any more than I can stop the other trolls........



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

"Jeannie" wrote in message
oups.com...

brevity snip

"Benji" (we actually don't know the sex) is a 11-year-old feeder
goldfish, about 5 inches long, so a 5-gallon tank should be fine, no?

That's much too small for a 5" goldfish. A fish that size needs at least a
10 to 20g tank.

The tank is not filtered, never in direct sun, and has no plants in
it. We have done a complete water change and tank/gravel scrub
monthly for years (putting the fish in a bucket of the "old" tank
water plus some new water), plus partial changes every so often when
too much food is accidentally fed. The fresh water is always the same
temperature as the tank--learned that lesson the hard way in my callow
yout'.

Please Google goldfish+care. They need good filtration/aeration and
nitrogen+cycle. There is no need to clean the whole tank monthly.

I will stop and get some antibiotics and salt today, and we will do
partial water changes weekly from now on...hopefully that will do the
trick. I have no idea what to do if the lump is eggs...yikes. Can
one massage them out?

I heard it can be done but that's chancy as it's easy to rupture the sack
they're in. Your fish may be beyond help. Please don't replace it with
another GF. Your tank is too small. Get a few male guppies or a betta.
Even they would do better with filtration.

P.S. I will say here that I am disappointed to see that this group is
like most other Usenet newsgroups--certain folks are so intent on
insulting each other that they waste time and bandwidth on off-topic
mud-throwing posts. Guess you can't get away from that anywhere!

I agree. That's why people are migrating to Forums or moderated groups.
Too many of us get sucked up into the nastiness.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:07:07 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


"Jeannie" wrote in message
legroups.com...

brevity snip

"Benji" (we actually don't know the sex) is a 11-year-old feeder
goldfish, about 5 inches long, so a 5-gallon tank should be fine, no?

That's much too small for a 5" goldfish. A fish that size needs at least a
10 to 20g tank.


They are too small for keepig gold fish in properly carol ....yet more
erroneous info getting put out there carol?


The tank is not filtered, never in direct sun, and has no plants in
it. We have done a complete water change and tank/gravel scrub
monthly for years (putting the fish in a bucket of the "old" tank
water plus some new water), plus partial changes every so often when
too much food is accidentally fed. The fresh water is always the same
temperature as the tank--learned that lesson the hard way in my callow
yout'.

Please Google goldfish+care. They need good filtration/aeration and
nitrogen+cycle. There is no need to clean the whole tank monthly.

I will stop and get some antibiotics and salt today, and we will do
partial water changes weekly from now on...hopefully that will do the
trick. I have no idea what to do if the lump is eggs...yikes. Can
one massage them out?

I heard it can be done but that's chancy as it's easy to rupture the sack
they're in. Your fish may be beyond help. Please don't replace it with
another GF. Your tank is too small. Get a few male guppies or a betta.
Even they would do better with filtration.

I have also heard CArol is a scatter brain and dumbass above reproach
when it comes to aggreeing or dissagreeing with her and her statements
and views......

P.S. I will say here that I am disappointed to see that this group is
like most other Usenet newsgroups--certain folks are so intent on
insulting each other that they waste time and bandwidth on off-topic
mud-throwing posts. Guess you can't get away from that anywhere!

I agree. That's why people are migrating to Forums or moderated groups.
Too many of us get sucked up into the nastiness.

Only CArol would know as she is the majopr caus eof most of the
aquaria and orther groups on usenets problems.....its all about CArol
and only CArol



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Jeannie wrote:
Many thanks to all for your comments and help. An update, now that I
have actually seen the fish...the redness is actually a largish lump
is just forward of the pectoral fin and only on the bottom; looks more
like a large hernia than anything else, and definitely not a skin-
disease type of thing. It's a bit smaller this morning since a 1/2
water change last evening, and the fish is perky and interested in the
(very little bit of) food we gave him.


Hi Jeannie,

There have been quite a few posts about lumps on goldfish recently on
another group that I frequent....can I suggest you go and read through
some of the threads there and see if it gives you the answer. The group
is a google group called The Freshwater Aquarium - read the thread on
"Fish Surgery" - don't get alarmed by the title....it has a lot of good
info on a similar problem.....IIRC there is another one as well so you
might need to do some browsing....

Link to TFA is:-

http://groups.google.com/group/The-Freshwater-Aquarium

Gill