Ich and tang...

No, I wouldn't vacuum the sand. It is true that the
parasite likes to attach to calcium carbonate, in
fact it has been shown that a tank with no calcium
carbonate material, will greatly if not completely
prevent the cycle of ich.

But what I would do is yes you can ad the peppermint
shrimp. They will clean some, but get some cleaner
shrimp in there. If the tang is healthy, and has no
other stress factors it will heal up just fine with
some cleaner shrimp in there.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Pszemol wrote on 2/27/2007 3:48 PM:
"KurtG" wrote in message
.. .
Pszemol wrote:
White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

I can almost see torches and pitch forks waving while I write this,
but I'd vacuum the plenum after the white spots drop off. It's not
really a cure, but it may help you break the cycle w/ the help of your
shrimp friends.

I did that with mine, and I haven't seen Ich since. It also pulled an
amazing amount of crud out of my system, and I just have a thin sand
layer.

I know my English is not perfect, but what the hell you call plenum? :-)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plenum

My tank is DSB and I am not going to vacuum fine sand out...
Vacuuming would not work.

With your advanced knowledge of reef tanks, you choose to come in here and
berate those who are in the learning process of this hobby. Tell me genius,
do feel superior pointing out the shorting comings of others or you just get
off acting like a ****ing asshole?

"Tristin" wrote in message
...
At least one person out of the bunch so far has sufficient knowledge
on what to do.....

I simply do not understand an engineer not knowing what a plenum
is.....a plenum is a plenum, it matters ot what its on, its still fits
the description of a plenum............duh!

Oh yea carol or is it Ocean Breeze.here is another to go off on and
cross post to the masses.......you lunatic!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:19:12 -0500, Add Homonym
wrote:

Pszemol wrote:
"Add Homonym" wrote in message
...

White or black ich? (I ask, because black ich is quite
common in tangs - not in most other fish)


White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

MIGHT work. I had one tang that refused to beleive a Lysmata
wurdermanni was not actually a Lysmata amboinensis. Kept going up
to
it like he expected a cleaning. Poor shrimp had no idea what was
expected of him.
Not I have the opposite - new tang, new peppermint shrimp -
peppermint
shrip actually wants to pick at the tang, and the Tang wants no
part
of it - but DOES let my skunk cleaner clean him.


So peppermints are not as good, right?

Depends on the individual. Some peppermints will do just as good a
job,
but most won't do any cleaning (YMMV)

OK. So, the ich is small white spots. Sounds like cryptocaryon.

So, hate to tell ya, the CORRECT treatment is this-

take ALL fish out of the tank for 1-2 months. Take the infected fish,
give it a dip in freshwater buffered to PH to match tank water, with
formalin and copper sulfate added. I usually add some methe;yne blue
to
help boost oxygen, since it is also an anti paraiste and won't hurt.
After the dip (dip for about 7-10 minutes) put fish in a seperate tank
and continue treatment with copper sulfate until all symptoms are
gone.

Alternate if you just plain can't take all the fish out for a month or
two:

treat sick fish with dip as above, and add garlic to main tank and
cross
yer fingers that fish does not get re-infected.

I have also had good luck with Chem Marin's "Stop Parisite" product.
Dunno if it was merely a placebo effect or not (ie: I had kille dthe
ich
without it anyway) but I did option #2 above, and then added this
stuff,
and the problem was resolved.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Hey peter the pecker eater...why don't you tell me!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:07:35 -0500, "Peter Pan"
wrote:

With your advanced knowledge of reef tanks, you choose to come in here and
berate those who are in the learning process of this hobby. Tell me genius,
do feel superior pointing out the shorting comings of others or you just get
off acting like a ****ing asshole?

"Tristin" wrote in message
m...
At least one person out of the bunch so far has sufficient knowledge
on what to do.....

I simply do not understand an engineer not knowing what a plenum
is.....a plenum is a plenum, it matters ot what its on, its still fits
the description of a plenum............duh!

Oh yea carol or is it Ocean Breeze.here is another to go off on and
cross post to the masses.......you lunatic!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:19:12 -0500, Add Homonym
wrote:

Pszemol wrote:
"Add Homonym" wrote in message
...

White or black ich? (I ask, because black ich is quite
common in tangs - not in most other fish)


White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

MIGHT work. I had one tang that refused to beleive a Lysmata
wurdermanni was not actually a Lysmata amboinensis. Kept going up
to
it like he expected a cleaning. Poor shrimp had no idea what was
expected of him.
Not I have the opposite - new tang, new peppermint shrimp -
peppermint
shrip actually wants to pick at the tang, and the Tang wants no
part
of it - but DOES let my skunk cleaner clean him.


So peppermints are not as good, right?

Depends on the individual. Some peppermints will do just as good a
job,
but most won't do any cleaning (YMMV)

OK. So, the ich is small white spots. Sounds like cryptocaryon.

So, hate to tell ya, the CORRECT treatment is this-

take ALL fish out of the tank for 1-2 months. Take the infected fish,
give it a dip in freshwater buffered to PH to match tank water, with
formalin and copper sulfate added. I usually add some methe;yne blue
to
help boost oxygen, since it is also an anti paraiste and won't hurt.
After the dip (dip for about 7-10 minutes) put fish in a seperate tank
and continue treatment with copper sulfate until all symptoms are
gone.

Alternate if you just plain can't take all the fish out for a month or
two:

treat sick fish with dip as above, and add garlic to main tank and
cross
yer fingers that fish does not get re-infected.

I have also had good luck with Chem Marin's "Stop Parisite" product.
Dunno if it was merely a placebo effect or not (ie: I had kille dthe
ich
without it anyway) but I did option #2 above, and then added this
stuff,
and the problem was resolved.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!




-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

It's a combination of both: I know you were probably beaten up as a child by
everyone on the playground because you never learned to work and play well
with others. Lets face it, no one ever likes the nerdy kid and the nerdy kid
was you. This left you with an inferior complex. You had no one to play
with, no friends , not even the family dog wanted to be near you. So you
compensated. You dove into academics where you accelerated. Still not being
appreciated for your intellect and still being beaten up by your peers you
sought an outlet. You discovered a Cyber world where no one could harm you
physically. It was then you decided you could finally strike back at those
you deemed inferior to your intellect and not have to worry about getting
your asskicked.
It is in the Cyber world where you strive for acceptance. But even in here
no one likes you and yes, probably all of us want to kick your ass.

What does the future holds for you? You will probably meet , if you haven't
already done so your cyber wife and where you will have countless hours of
cyber sex. All in all, you need to get out of your parent's basement get a
job. move out of their house and start a life of you own; a real life not
one in the cyber world.



"Tristin" wrote in message
...
Hey peter the pecker eater...why don't you tell me!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:07:35 -0500, "Peter Pan"
wrote:

With your advanced knowledge of reef tanks, you choose to come in here
and
berate those who are in the learning process of this hobby. Tell me
genius,
do feel superior pointing out the shorting comings of others or you
just get
off acting like a ****ing asshole?

"Tristin" wrote in message
m...
At least one person out of the bunch so far has sufficient knowledge
on what to do.....

I simply do not understand an engineer not knowing what a plenum
is.....a plenum is a plenum, it matters ot what its on, its still
fits
the description of a plenum............duh!

Oh yea carol or is it Ocean Breeze.here is another to go off on and
cross post to the masses.......you lunatic!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:19:12 -0500, Add Homonym
wrote:

Pszemol wrote:
"Add Homonym" wrote in message
...

White or black ich? (I ask, because black ich is quite
common in tangs - not in most other fish)


White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

MIGHT work. I had one tang that refused to beleive a Lysmata
wurdermanni was not actually a Lysmata amboinensis. Kept
going up
to
it like he expected a cleaning. Poor shrimp had no idea what
was
expected of him.
Not I have the opposite - new tang, new peppermint shrimp -
peppermint
shrip actually wants to pick at the tang, and the Tang wants
no
part
of it - but DOES let my skunk cleaner clean him.


So peppermints are not as good, right?

Depends on the individual. Some peppermints will do just as good
a
job,
but most won't do any cleaning (YMMV)

OK. So, the ich is small white spots. Sounds like cryptocaryon.

So, hate to tell ya, the CORRECT treatment is this-

take ALL fish out of the tank for 1-2 months. Take the infected
fish,
give it a dip in freshwater buffered to PH to match tank water,
with
formalin and copper sulfate added. I usually add some methe;yne
blue
to
help boost oxygen, since it is also an anti paraiste and won't
hurt.
After the dip (dip for about 7-10 minutes) put fish in a
seperate tank
and continue treatment with copper sulfate until all symptoms
are
gone.

Alternate if you just plain can't take all the fish out for a
month or
two:

treat sick fish with dip as above, and add garlic to main tank
and
cross
yer fingers that fish does not get re-infected.

I have also had good luck with Chem Marin's "Stop Parisite"
product.
Dunno if it was merely a placebo effect or not (ie: I had kille
dthe
ich
without it anyway) but I did option #2 above, and then added
this
stuff,
and the problem was resolved.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!




-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Peter Pan wrote:
It's a combination of both: I know you were probably beaten up as a child by
everyone on the playground because you never learned to work and play well
with others. Lets face it, no one ever likes the nerdy kid and the nerdy kid
was you. This left you with an inferior complex. You had no one to play
with, no friends , not even the family dog wanted to be near you. So you
compensated. You dove into academics where you accelerated. Still not being
appreciated for your intellect and still being beaten up by your peers you
sought an outlet. You discovered a Cyber world where no one could harm you
physically. It was then you decided you could finally strike back at those
you deemed inferior to your intellect and not have to worry about getting
your asskicked.
It is in the Cyber world where you strive for acceptance. But even in here
no one likes you and yes, probably all of us want to kick your ass.

What does the future holds for you? You will probably meet , if you haven't
already done so your cyber wife and where you will have countless hours of
cyber sex. All in all, you need to get out of your parent's basement get a
job. move out of their house and start a life of you own; a real life not
one in the cyber world.



"Tristin" wrote in message
...

Hey peter the pecker eater...why don't you tell me!


Ok I wasn't going to get involved, but hey Peter, what are you at
here.?....either this post is an autobiography or a cheap attempt at
psycho analysis when you haven't even bothered to garner the
facts......the question, although almost certainly construed as a little
abusive did not warrant this torrent from you....however, if you want
this group to become a target for the troll....you sure just went and
gave it enough to eat for days to come....

Gill

Roy "Tristin" Hauer stalker of old women and disabled men
wrote nothing of value or interest to anyone
and was promptly slapped down by a dead fluke: wrote in message
...
At least one person out of the bunch so far has sufficient knowledge
on what to do.....

More slander and stalking of your victims Roy? You need help. Get back into
treatment at the VA. They can help you. We can't!


I simply do not understand an engineer not knowing what a plenum
is.....a plenum is a plenum, it matters ot what its on, its still fits
the description of a plenum............duh!

Oh yea carol or is it Ocean Breeze.here is another to go off on and
cross post to the masses.......you lunatic!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:19:12 -0500, Add Homonym
wrote:

Pszemol wrote:
"Add Homonym" wrote in message
...

White or black ich? (I ask, because black ich is quite
common in tangs - not in most other fish)


White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

MIGHT work. I had one tang that refused to beleive a Lysmata
wurdermanni was not actually a Lysmata amboinensis. Kept going up
to
it like he expected a cleaning. Poor shrimp had no idea what was
expected of him.
Not I have the opposite - new tang, new peppermint shrimp -
peppermint
shrip actually wants to pick at the tang, and the Tang wants no
part
of it - but DOES let my skunk cleaner clean him.


So peppermints are not as good, right?

Depends on the individual. Some peppermints will do just as good a
job,
but most won't do any cleaning (YMMV)

OK. So, the ich is small white spots. Sounds like cryptocaryon.

So, hate to tell ya, the CORRECT treatment is this-

take ALL fish out of the tank for 1-2 months. Take the infected fish,
give it a dip in freshwater buffered to PH to match tank water, with
formalin and copper sulfate added. I usually add some methe;yne blue
to
help boost oxygen, since it is also an anti paraiste and won't hurt.
After the dip (dip for about 7-10 minutes) put fish in a seperate tank
and continue treatment with copper sulfate until all symptoms are
gone.

Alternate if you just plain can't take all the fish out for a month or
two:

treat sick fish with dip as above, and add garlic to main tank and
cross
yer fingers that fish does not get re-infected.

I have also had good luck with Chem Marin's "Stop Parisite" product.
Dunno if it was merely a placebo effect or not (ie: I had kille dthe
ich
without it anyway) but I did option #2 above, and then added this
stuff,
and the problem was resolved.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

"Peter Pan" wrote in message
. ..
With your advanced knowledge of reef tanks, you choose to come in here and
berate those who are in the learning process of this hobby. Tell me
genius,
do feel superior pointing out the shorting comings of others or you just
get
off acting like a ****ing asshole?

He gets off acting like an ass! It makes him feel superior for the moment.
He pulls the same **** on the other aquarium groups and the pond group,
destroying and disrupting one group after another. The man was in treatment
at the VA in AL but wont stay on his meds. This is the result.

Roy "Tristan" Hauer doesn't even have a HS diploma, is semi-literate, yet
belittles and puts down everyone in his quest to build himself up into
something he'll never be.... sad really.


"Tristin" wrote in message
...
At least one person out of the bunch so far has sufficient knowledge
on what to do.....

I simply do not understand an engineer not knowing what a plenum
is.....a plenum is a plenum, it matters ot what its on, its still fits
the description of a plenum............duh!

Oh yea carol or is it Ocean Breeze.here is another to go off on and
cross post to the masses.......you lunatic!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:19:12 -0500, Add Homonym
wrote:

Pszemol wrote:
"Add Homonym" wrote in message
...

White or black ich? (I ask, because black ich is quite
common in tangs - not in most other fish)


White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

MIGHT work. I had one tang that refused to beleive a Lysmata
wurdermanni was not actually a Lysmata amboinensis. Kept going up
to
it like he expected a cleaning. Poor shrimp had no idea what was
expected of him.
Not I have the opposite - new tang, new peppermint shrimp -
peppermint
shrip actually wants to pick at the tang, and the Tang wants no
part
of it - but DOES let my skunk cleaner clean him.


So peppermints are not as good, right?

Depends on the individual. Some peppermints will do just as good a
job,
but most won't do any cleaning (YMMV)

OK. So, the ich is small white spots. Sounds like cryptocaryon.

So, hate to tell ya, the CORRECT treatment is this-

take ALL fish out of the tank for 1-2 months. Take the infected fish,
give it a dip in freshwater buffered to PH to match tank water, with
formalin and copper sulfate added. I usually add some methe;yne blue
to
help boost oxygen, since it is also an anti paraiste and won't hurt.
After the dip (dip for about 7-10 minutes) put fish in a seperate
tank
and continue treatment with copper sulfate until all symptoms are
gone.

Alternate if you just plain can't take all the fish out for a month
or
two:

treat sick fish with dip as above, and add garlic to main tank and
cross
yer fingers that fish does not get re-infected.

I have also had good luck with Chem Marin's "Stop Parisite" product.
Dunno if it was merely a placebo effect or not (ie: I had kille dthe
ich
without it anyway) but I did option #2 above, and then added this
stuff,
and the problem was resolved.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

"Tristin" wrote nothing of value or interest to
anyone and was
promptly slapped down by a dead starfish: in message
...
Hey peter the pecker eater...why don't you tell me!

Get back in treatment Roy "Tristan" Hauer!!!!!! No one here can help you.
We're fish keepers, not psychiatrists trained to deal with obsessions and
mental disorders.


On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:07:35 -0500, "Peter Pan"
wrote:

With your advanced knowledge of reef tanks, you choose to come in here
and
berate those who are in the learning process of this hobby. Tell me
genius,
do feel superior pointing out the shorting comings of others or you
just get
off acting like a ****ing asshole?

"Tristin" wrote in message
m...
At least one person out of the bunch so far has sufficient knowledge
on what to do.....

I simply do not understand an engineer not knowing what a plenum
is.....a plenum is a plenum, it matters ot what its on, its still
fits
the description of a plenum............duh!

Oh yea carol or is it Ocean Breeze.here is another to go off on and
cross post to the masses.......you lunatic!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:19:12 -0500, Add Homonym
wrote:

Pszemol wrote:
"Add Homonym" wrote in message
...

White or black ich? (I ask, because black ich is quite
common in tangs - not in most other fish)


White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

MIGHT work. I had one tang that refused to beleive a Lysmata
wurdermanni was not actually a Lysmata amboinensis. Kept
going up
to
it like he expected a cleaning. Poor shrimp had no idea what
was
expected of him.
Not I have the opposite - new tang, new peppermint shrimp -
peppermint
shrip actually wants to pick at the tang, and the Tang wants
no
part
of it - but DOES let my skunk cleaner clean him.


So peppermints are not as good, right?

Depends on the individual. Some peppermints will do just as good
a
job,
but most won't do any cleaning (YMMV)

OK. So, the ich is small white spots. Sounds like cryptocaryon.

So, hate to tell ya, the CORRECT treatment is this-

take ALL fish out of the tank for 1-2 months. Take the infected
fish,
give it a dip in freshwater buffered to PH to match tank water,
with
formalin and copper sulfate added. I usually add some methe;yne
blue
to
help boost oxygen, since it is also an anti paraiste and won't
hurt.
After the dip (dip for about 7-10 minutes) put fish in a
seperate tank
and continue treatment with copper sulfate until all symptoms
are
gone.

Alternate if you just plain can't take all the fish out for a
month or
two:

treat sick fish with dip as above, and add garlic to main tank
and
cross
yer fingers that fish does not get re-infected.

I have also had good luck with Chem Marin's "Stop Parisite"
product.
Dunno if it was merely a placebo effect or not (ie: I had kille
dthe
ich
without it anyway) but I did option #2 above, and then added
this
stuff,
and the problem was resolved.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!




-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Dream on Carol oh lord and ruler of the million and one sock puppets.
At least my son does not prowl the alleyways looking for a little and
knock up the vermin that inhabit those regions......need I say more
there Carol? Even the motorcycle gangs have no need for folks of
your caliber anymore.....Sure sucks to be named Carol Gulley! and just
as bad to be a pecker eater named peter!



On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:42:19 -0600, "Reefer~Madness"
wrote:


"Peter Pan" wrote in message
news:48OdnTYt4KQpJHnYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@comcast. com...
With your advanced knowledge of reef tanks, you choose to come in here and
berate those who are in the learning process of this hobby. Tell me
genius,
do feel superior pointing out the shorting comings of others or you just
get
off acting like a ****ing asshole?

He gets off acting like an ass! It makes him feel superior for the moment.
He pulls the same **** on the other aquarium groups and the pond group,
destroying and disrupting one group after another. The man was in treatment
at the VA in AL but wont stay on his meds. This is the result.

Roy "Tristan" Hauer doesn't even have a HS diploma, is semi-literate, yet
belittles and puts down everyone in his quest to build himself up into
something he'll never be.... sad really.


"Tristin" wrote in message
...
At least one person out of the bunch so far has sufficient knowledge
on what to do.....

I simply do not understand an engineer not knowing what a plenum
is.....a plenum is a plenum, it matters ot what its on, its still fits
the description of a plenum............duh!

Oh yea carol or is it Ocean Breeze.here is another to go off on and
cross post to the masses.......you lunatic!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:19:12 -0500, Add Homonym
wrote:

Pszemol wrote:
"Add Homonym" wrote in message
...

White or black ich? (I ask, because black ich is quite
common in tangs - not in most other fish)


White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

MIGHT work. I had one tang that refused to beleive a Lysmata
wurdermanni was not actually a Lysmata amboinensis. Kept going up
to
it like he expected a cleaning. Poor shrimp had no idea what was
expected of him.
Not I have the opposite - new tang, new peppermint shrimp -
peppermint
shrip actually wants to pick at the tang, and the Tang wants no
part
of it - but DOES let my skunk cleaner clean him.


So peppermints are not as good, right?

Depends on the individual. Some peppermints will do just as good a
job,
but most won't do any cleaning (YMMV)

OK. So, the ich is small white spots. Sounds like cryptocaryon.

So, hate to tell ya, the CORRECT treatment is this-

take ALL fish out of the tank for 1-2 months. Take the infected fish,
give it a dip in freshwater buffered to PH to match tank water, with
formalin and copper sulfate added. I usually add some methe;yne blue
to
help boost oxygen, since it is also an anti paraiste and won't hurt.
After the dip (dip for about 7-10 minutes) put fish in a seperate
tank
and continue treatment with copper sulfate until all symptoms are
gone.

Alternate if you just plain can't take all the fish out for a month
or
two:

treat sick fish with dip as above, and add garlic to main tank and
cross
yer fingers that fish does not get re-infected.

I have also had good luck with Chem Marin's "Stop Parisite" product.
Dunno if it was merely a placebo effect or not (ie: I had kille dthe
ich
without it anyway) but I did option #2 above, and then added this
stuff,
and the problem was resolved.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!





-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

"Peter Pan" wrote in message
...
It's a combination of both: I know you were probably beaten up as a child
by
everyone on the playground because you never learned to work and play well
with others.

He'll only play well with others if they kiss his ass, agree with everything
he says, never question him and act worshipful! He must feel he's admired
and in control of every group he infests like a roach in a project. Anyone
else comes in for attacks, being slandered, put down, belittled and called
childish names. He needs to get back into treatment for his mental "issues."

Lets face it, no one ever likes the nerdy kid and the nerdy kid
was you. This left you with an inferior complex. You had no one to play
with, no friends , not even the family dog wanted to be near you. So you
compensated. You dove into academics where you accelerated. Still not
being
appreciated for your intellect and still being beaten up by your peers you
sought an outlet. You discovered a Cyber world where no one could harm you
physically. It was then you decided you could finally strike back at those
you deemed inferior to your intellect and not have to worry about getting
your asskicked.
It is in the Cyber world where you strive for acceptance. But even in here
no one likes you and yes, probably all of us want to kick your ass.

What does the future holds for you? You will probably meet , if you
haven't
already done so your cyber wife and where you will have countless hours of
cyber sex. All in all, you need to get out of your parent's basement get a
job. move out of their house and start a life of you own; a real life not
one in the cyber world.



"Tristin" wrote in message
...
Hey peter the pecker eater...why don't you tell me!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:07:35 -0500, "Peter Pan"
wrote:

With your advanced knowledge of reef tanks, you choose to come in
here
and
berate those who are in the learning process of this hobby. Tell me
genius,
do feel superior pointing out the shorting comings of others or you
just get
off acting like a ****ing asshole?

"Tristin" wrote in message
m...
At least one person out of the bunch so far has sufficient
knowledge
on what to do.....

I simply do not understand an engineer not knowing what a plenum
is.....a plenum is a plenum, it matters ot what its on, its still
fits
the description of a plenum............duh!

Oh yea carol or is it Ocean Breeze.here is another to go off on and
cross post to the masses.......you lunatic!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:19:12 -0500, Add Homonym
wrote:

Pszemol wrote:
"Add Homonym" wrote in message
...

White or black ich? (I ask, because black ich is quite
common in tangs - not in most other fish)


White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

MIGHT work. I had one tang that refused to beleive a Lysmata
wurdermanni was not actually a Lysmata amboinensis. Kept
going up
to
it like he expected a cleaning. Poor shrimp had no idea what
was
expected of him.
Not I have the opposite - new tang, new peppermint shrimp -
peppermint
shrip actually wants to pick at the tang, and the Tang wants
no
part
of it - but DOES let my skunk cleaner clean him.


So peppermints are not as good, right?

Depends on the individual. Some peppermints will do just as
good
a
job,
but most won't do any cleaning (YMMV)

OK. So, the ich is small white spots. Sounds like cryptocaryon.

So, hate to tell ya, the CORRECT treatment is this-

take ALL fish out of the tank for 1-2 months. Take the infected
fish,
give it a dip in freshwater buffered to PH to match tank water,
with
formalin and copper sulfate added. I usually add some methe;yne
blue
to
help boost oxygen, since it is also an anti paraiste and won't
hurt.
After the dip (dip for about 7-10 minutes) put fish in a
seperate tank
and continue treatment with copper sulfate until all symptoms
are
gone.

Alternate if you just plain can't take all the fish out for a
month or
two:

treat sick fish with dip as above, and add garlic to main tank
and
cross
yer fingers that fish does not get re-infected.

I have also had good luck with Chem Marin's "Stop Parisite"
product.
Dunno if it was merely a placebo effect or not (ie: I had kille
dthe
ich
without it anyway) but I did option #2 above, and then added
this
stuff,
and the problem was resolved.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!




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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!