Ich and tang...

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
Peter Pan wrote:
It's a combination of both: I know you were probably beaten up as a child
by
everyone on the playground because you never learned to work and play
well
with others. Lets face it, no one ever likes the nerdy kid and the nerdy
kid
was you. This left you with an inferior complex. You had no one to play
with, no friends , not even the family dog wanted to be near you. So you
compensated. You dove into academics where you accelerated. Still not
being
appreciated for your intellect and still being beaten up by your peers
you
sought an outlet. You discovered a Cyber world where no one could harm
you
physically. It was then you decided you could finally strike back at
those
you deemed inferior to your intellect and not have to worry about getting
your asskicked.
It is in the Cyber world where you strive for acceptance. But even in
here
no one likes you and yes, probably all of us want to kick your ass.

What does the future holds for you? You will probably meet , if you
haven't
already done so your cyber wife and where you will have countless hours
of
cyber sex. All in all, you need to get out of your parent's basement get
a
job. move out of their house and start a life of you own; a real life not
one in the cyber world.



"Tristin" wrote in message
...

Hey peter the pecker eater...why don't you tell me!


Ok I wasn't going to get involved, but hey Peter, what are you at
here.?....either this post is an autobiography or a cheap attempt at
psycho analysis when you haven't even bothered to garner the
facts......the question, although almost certainly construed as a little
abusive did not warrant this torrent from you....however, if you want this
group to become a target for the troll....you sure just went and gave it
enough to eat for days to come....

Gill

And you keep defending the abusive TROLL known as Roy "Tristan" Hauer like a
neurotic mother hen, encouraging his abuse of others on these groups. One
wonders what's in it for you.........

Well Carol Gulley, unfortunately your noet evena fish keeper. YOu lost
that credability inthe aquaria groups, hence your need to cross post
all the posts made to disrupt the groups that no longer pay you any
attention you little old attention whore! Pityfull you have ot kjeep
movin gon to these other gorups just to get some poor asshole to hold
a cyber conversation with you and your sock puppets......pityfull is
what you are...must suck to be named Carol Gulley...as well as a loon
and usenet kook!



On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:45:14 -0600, "Ocean Breeze"
wrote:


"Tristin" wrote nothing of value or interest to
anyone and was
promptly slapped down by a dead starfish: in message
m...
Hey peter the pecker eater...why don't you tell me!

Get back in treatment Roy "Tristan" Hauer!!!!!! No one here can help you.
We're fish keepers, not psychiatrists trained to deal with obsessions and
mental disorders.


On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:07:35 -0500, "Peter Pan"
wrote:

With your advanced knowledge of reef tanks, you choose to come in here
and
berate those who are in the learning process of this hobby. Tell me
genius,
do feel superior pointing out the shorting comings of others or you
just get
off acting like a ****ing asshole?

"Tristin" wrote in message
m...
At least one person out of the bunch so far has sufficient knowledge
on what to do.....

I simply do not understand an engineer not knowing what a plenum
is.....a plenum is a plenum, it matters ot what its on, its still
fits
the description of a plenum............duh!

Oh yea carol or is it Ocean Breeze.here is another to go off on and
cross post to the masses.......you lunatic!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:19:12 -0500, Add Homonym
wrote:

Pszemol wrote:
"Add Homonym" wrote in message
...

White or black ich? (I ask, because black ich is quite
common in tangs - not in most other fish)


White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

MIGHT work. I had one tang that refused to beleive a Lysmata
wurdermanni was not actually a Lysmata amboinensis. Kept
going up
to
it like he expected a cleaning. Poor shrimp had no idea what
was
expected of him.
Not I have the opposite - new tang, new peppermint shrimp -
peppermint
shrip actually wants to pick at the tang, and the Tang wants
no
part
of it - but DOES let my skunk cleaner clean him.


So peppermints are not as good, right?

Depends on the individual. Some peppermints will do just as good
a
job,
but most won't do any cleaning (YMMV)

OK. So, the ich is small white spots. Sounds like cryptocaryon.

So, hate to tell ya, the CORRECT treatment is this-

take ALL fish out of the tank for 1-2 months. Take the infected
fish,
give it a dip in freshwater buffered to PH to match tank water,
with
formalin and copper sulfate added. I usually add some methe;yne
blue
to
help boost oxygen, since it is also an anti paraiste and won't
hurt.
After the dip (dip for about 7-10 minutes) put fish in a
seperate tank
and continue treatment with copper sulfate until all symptoms
are
gone.

Alternate if you just plain can't take all the fish out for a
month or
two:

treat sick fish with dip as above, and add garlic to main tank
and
cross
yer fingers that fish does not get re-infected.

I have also had good luck with Chem Marin's "Stop Parisite"
product.
Dunno if it was merely a placebo effect or not (ie: I had kille
dthe
ich
without it anyway) but I did option #2 above, and then added
this
stuff,
and the problem was resolved.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!




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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Ocean Breeze wrote:

And you keep defending the abusive TROLL known as Roy "Tristan" Hauer
like a neurotic mother hen, encouraging his abuse of others on these
groups. One wonders what's in it for you.........

Just one comment Carol.....please learn to read and actually understand
what people are saying before jumping in with your
pre-conceptions....hey, might do you a world of good when you actually
post on topic on other groups where you actually have some knowledge of
the subject under discussion.....But if you choose to abuse people and
troll groups then I guess that is your decision....

Gill

"Gill Passman" wrote nothing of value or
interest to anyone and was
promptly slapped down by a dead koi in message
...
Ocean Breeze wrote:

And you keep defending the abusive TROLL known as Roy "Tristan" Hauer
like a neurotic mother hen, encouraging his abuse of others on these
groups. One wonders what's in it for you.........

Just one comment Carol.....please learn to read and actually understand
what people are saying before jumping in with your pre-conceptions....hey,
might do you a world of good when you actually post on topic on other
groups where you actually have some knowledge of the subject under
discussion.....But if you choose to abuse people and troll groups then I
guess that is your decision....

Gill

Defending and encouraging mentally ill foul mouth trolls is absurd and self
defeating. You lower yourself to their level. Your friend Roy "Tristan"
Hauer is a known troll going back several years. Learn to use Google.

Roy "Tristin" Hauer known troll and net-stalker of women and disabled
wrote nothing of value or interest to anyone
and was promptly slapped down by a dead seabass in message
...

There is help for you at the VA hosp. They will get you back on your meds
and make your life worthwhile again. Your mind will be free of your
victims......... It must sure suck to be Roy Hauer.

Dream on Carol oh lord and ruler of the million and one sock puppets.
At least my son does not prowl the alleyways looking for a little and
knock up the vermin that inhabit those regions......need I say more
there Carol? Even the motorcycle gangs have no need for folks of
your caliber anymore.....Sure sucks to be named Carol Gulley! and just
as bad to be a pecker eater named peter!



On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:42:19 -0600, "Reefer~Madness"
wrote:


"Peter Pan" wrote in message
news:48OdnTYt4KQpJHnYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@comcast. com...
With your advanced knowledge of reef tanks, you choose to come in
here and
berate those who are in the learning process of this hobby. Tell me
genius,
do feel superior pointing out the shorting comings of others or you
just
get
off acting like a ****ing asshole?

He gets off acting like an ass! It makes him feel superior for the
moment.
He pulls the same **** on the other aquarium groups and the pond
group,
destroying and disrupting one group after another. The man was in
treatment
at the VA in AL but wont stay on his meds. This is the result.

Roy "Tristan" Hauer doesn't even have a HS diploma, is semi-literate,
yet
belittles and puts down everyone in his quest to build himself up into
something he'll never be.... sad really.


"Tristin" wrote in message
...
At least one person out of the bunch so far has sufficient
knowledge
on what to do.....

I simply do not understand an engineer not knowing what a plenum
is.....a plenum is a plenum, it matters ot what its on, its still
fits
the description of a plenum............duh!

Oh yea carol or is it Ocean Breeze.here is another to go off on and
cross post to the masses.......you lunatic!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:19:12 -0500, Add Homonym
wrote:

Pszemol wrote:
"Add Homonym" wrote in message
...

White or black ich? (I ask, because black ich is quite
common in tangs - not in most other fish)


White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

MIGHT work. I had one tang that refused to beleive a Lysmata
wurdermanni was not actually a Lysmata amboinensis. Kept
going up
to
it like he expected a cleaning. Poor shrimp had no idea what
was
expected of him.
Not I have the opposite - new tang, new peppermint shrimp -
peppermint
shrip actually wants to pick at the tang, and the Tang wants
no
part
of it - but DOES let my skunk cleaner clean him.


So peppermints are not as good, right?

Depends on the individual. Some peppermints will do just as
good a
job,
but most won't do any cleaning (YMMV)

OK. So, the ich is small white spots. Sounds like cryptocaryon.

So, hate to tell ya, the CORRECT treatment is this-

take ALL fish out of the tank for 1-2 months. Take the infected
fish,
give it a dip in freshwater buffered to PH to match tank water,
with
formalin and copper sulfate added. I usually add some methe;yne
blue
to
help boost oxygen, since it is also an anti paraiste and won't
hurt.
After the dip (dip for about 7-10 minutes) put fish in a
seperate
tank
and continue treatment with copper sulfate until all symptoms
are
gone.

Alternate if you just plain can't take all the fish out for a
month
or
two:

treat sick fish with dip as above, and add garlic to main tank
and
cross
yer fingers that fish does not get re-infected.

I have also had good luck with Chem Marin's "Stop Parisite"
product.
Dunno if it was merely a placebo effect or not (ie: I had kille
dthe
ich
without it anyway) but I did option #2 above, and then added
this
stuff,
and the problem was resolved.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!





-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Add Homonym wrote:

OK. So, the ich is small white spots. Sounds like cryptocaryon.

Yep.

take ALL fish out of the tank for 1-2 months. Take the infected fish,
give it a dip in freshwater buffered to PH to match tank water, with
formalin and copper sulfate added. I usually add some methe;yne blue to
help boost oxygen, since it is also an anti paraiste and won't hurt.
After the dip (dip for about 7-10 minutes) put fish in a seperate tank
and continue treatment with copper sulfate until all symptoms are gone.

I don't use the dip - just go straight to the hospital tank dosed with copper
sulphate. I prefer "CopperSafe." Also get a decent copper test kit that works
with the type of copper treatment you're using (I use "FasTest" with
"CopperSafe"). If you're going with CopperSafe, add half as much as the
directions say to add, wait an hour or two, and test the concentration. Add more
in stages until you get up to the recommended dosage of .15 to .2 ppm. Maintain
that level for two weeks and then quit adding copper.

The freshwater dip is a bit satisfying, though. The parasites swell up and sort
of explode. On the other hand, the fish isn't exactly comfortable either.

George Patterson
If you torture the data long enough, eventually it will confess
to anything.

Roy "Tristin" Hauer, foul mouth troll and net-stalker of old women and
disabled wrote nothing of value or interest
to anyone and was promptly slapped down by a dead frog wrote in message
...

There is help for you at the VA hospital. You can be treated but not cured.
Get back on your meds and get your victims, Carol, Tara, Ed, Gail and others
out of your head before you flip your cookies and kill someone.


Well Carol Gulley, unfortunately your noet evena fish keeper. YOu lost
that credability inthe aquaria groups, hence your need to cross post
all the posts made to disrupt the groups that no longer pay you any
attention you little old attention whore! Pityfull you have ot kjeep
movin gon to these other gorups just to get some poor asshole to hold
a cyber conversation with you and your sock puppets......pityfull is
what you are...must suck to be named Carol Gulley...as well as a loon
and usenet kook!



On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:45:14 -0600, "Ocean Breeze"
wrote:


"Tristin" wrote nothing of value or
interest to
anyone and was
promptly slapped down by a dead starfish: in message
m...
Hey peter the pecker eater...why don't you tell me!

Get back in treatment Roy "Tristan" Hauer!!!!!! No one here can help
you.
We're fish keepers, not psychiatrists trained to deal with obsessions
and
mental disorders.


On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:07:35 -0500, "Peter Pan"

wrote:

With your advanced knowledge of reef tanks, you choose to come
in here
and
berate those who are in the learning process of this hobby. Tell
me
genius,
do feel superior pointing out the shorting comings of others or
you
just get
off acting like a ****ing asshole?

"Tristin" wrote in message
m...
At least one person out of the bunch so far has sufficient
knowledge
on what to do.....

I simply do not understand an engineer not knowing what a
plenum
is.....a plenum is a plenum, it matters ot what its on, its
still
fits
the description of a plenum............duh!

Oh yea carol or is it Ocean Breeze.here is another to go off
on and
cross post to the masses.......you lunatic!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:19:12 -0500, Add Homonym
wrote:

Pszemol wrote:
"Add Homonym" wrote in
message
...

White or black ich? (I ask, because black ich is quite
common in tangs - not in most other fish)


White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his
body.

MIGHT work. I had one tang that refused to beleive a
Lysmata
wurdermanni was not actually a Lysmata amboinensis.
Kept
going up
to
it like he expected a cleaning. Poor shrimp had no idea
what
was
expected of him.
Not I have the opposite - new tang, new peppermint
shrimp -
peppermint
shrip actually wants to pick at the tang, and the Tang
wants
no
part
of it - but DOES let my skunk cleaner clean him.


So peppermints are not as good, right?

Depends on the individual. Some peppermints will do just
as good
a
job,
but most won't do any cleaning (YMMV)

OK. So, the ich is small white spots. Sounds like
cryptocaryon.

So, hate to tell ya, the CORRECT treatment is this-

take ALL fish out of the tank for 1-2 months. Take the
infected
fish,
give it a dip in freshwater buffered to PH to match tank
water,
with
formalin and copper sulfate added. I usually add some
methe;yne
blue
to
help boost oxygen, since it is also an anti paraiste and
won't
hurt.
After the dip (dip for about 7-10 minutes) put fish in a
seperate tank
and continue treatment with copper sulfate until all
symptoms
are
gone.

Alternate if you just plain can't take all the fish out
for a
month or
two:

treat sick fish with dip as above, and add garlic to main
tank
and
cross
yer fingers that fish does not get re-infected.

I have also had good luck with Chem Marin's "Stop
Parisite"
product.
Dunno if it was merely a placebo effect or not (ie: I had
kille
dthe
ich
without it anyway) but I did option #2 above, and then
added
this
stuff,
and the problem was resolved.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!




-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

"Tristin" aka Roy Hauer troll and net-stalker of women
wrote in message
...
Dream on Carol oh lord and ruler of the million and one sock puppets.
At least my son does not prowl the alleyways looking for a little and
knock up the vermin that inhabit those regions......need I say more
there Carol? Even the motorcycle gangs have no need for folks of
your caliber anymore.....Sure sucks to be named Carol Gulley! and just
as bad to be a pecker eater named peter!

Must be a real bitch to be named Roy Tristan Hauer. I own TRistan., Carol
posts
and has him trained to reply.....It never fails. Carol "OWNS" TRistan aka
Roy Hauer..........and he dances to the tune Carol bangs out on her
drum! Poor goofy loon and illiterate fool that he is! She pushes buttons
and Roy Tristan Hauer
jumps.......hahahahaha then again he is just a spastic little attention
whore anyhow......

hahahahahah.......... hehe ......... haha




On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:42:19 -0600, "Reefer~Madness"
wrote:


"Peter Pan" wrote in message
news:48OdnTYt4KQpJHnYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@comcast. com...
With your advanced knowledge of reef tanks, you choose to come in
here and
berate those who are in the learning process of this hobby. Tell me
genius,
do feel superior pointing out the shorting comings of others or you
just
get
off acting like a ****ing asshole?

He gets off acting like an ass! It makes him feel superior for the
moment.
He pulls the same **** on the other aquarium groups and the pond
group,
destroying and disrupting one group after another. The man was in
treatment
at the VA in AL but wont stay on his meds. This is the result.

Roy "Tristan" Hauer doesn't even have a HS diploma, is semi-literate,
yet
belittles and puts down everyone in his quest to build himself up into
something he'll never be.... sad really.


"Tristin" wrote in message
...
At least one person out of the bunch so far has sufficient
knowledge
on what to do.....

I simply do not understand an engineer not knowing what a plenum
is.....a plenum is a plenum, it matters ot what its on, its still
fits
the description of a plenum............duh!

Oh yea carol or is it Ocean Breeze.here is another to go off on and
cross post to the masses.......you lunatic!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:19:12 -0500, Add Homonym
wrote:

Pszemol wrote:
"Add Homonym" wrote in message
...

White or black ich? (I ask, because black ich is quite
common in tangs - not in most other fish)


White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

MIGHT work. I had one tang that refused to beleive a Lysmata
wurdermanni was not actually a Lysmata amboinensis. Kept
going up
to
it like he expected a cleaning. Poor shrimp had no idea what
was
expected of him.
Not I have the opposite - new tang, new peppermint shrimp -
peppermint
shrip actually wants to pick at the tang, and the Tang wants
no
part
of it - but DOES let my skunk cleaner clean him.


So peppermints are not as good, right?

Depends on the individual. Some peppermints will do just as
good a
job,
but most won't do any cleaning (YMMV)

OK. So, the ich is small white spots. Sounds like cryptocaryon.

So, hate to tell ya, the CORRECT treatment is this-

take ALL fish out of the tank for 1-2 months. Take the infected
fish,
give it a dip in freshwater buffered to PH to match tank water,
with
formalin and copper sulfate added. I usually add some methe;yne
blue
to
help boost oxygen, since it is also an anti paraiste and won't
hurt.
After the dip (dip for about 7-10 minutes) put fish in a
seperate
tank
and continue treatment with copper sulfate until all symptoms
are
gone.

Alternate if you just plain can't take all the fish out for a
month
or
two:

treat sick fish with dip as above, and add garlic to main tank
and
cross
yer fingers that fish does not get re-infected.

I have also had good luck with Chem Marin's "Stop Parisite"
product.
Dunno if it was merely a placebo effect or not (ie: I had kille
dthe
ich
without it anyway) but I did option #2 above, and then added
this
stuff,
and the problem was resolved.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!





-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

I`m a little confused, are there different kinds of "Ich"? Is there a kind
that is not contagious?

When I introduced a super-juvie Hippo Tang 4 months ago, it broke out in
white spots for a few days, but it went away on its own after soaking its
food in garlic for a few days. Ive never seen my other fish have any
symptoms (knock on wood).

Ive read many similiar posts in reef forums. There seems to be a lot of
people who have Tangs break out in "Ich"--- but then do water changes or use
the lights less and their Tangs also recover W/O any dipping or medication.

StringerBell wrote:
I`m a little confused, are there different kinds of "Ich"? Is there a kind
that is not contagious?

There's Oodinium and Cryptocaryon. Oodinium is usually called "velvet disease"
and Crypto is usually called "ich", but both are sometimes called "ich." They
are both contagious. With velvet, the parasites are pinpoint size. With crypto,
they're pinhead size. According to authors like Fenner, Cryptocaryon is ich.

Ive read many similiar posts in reef forums. There seems to be a lot of
people who have Tangs break out in "Ich"--- but then do water changes or use
the lights less and their Tangs also recover W/O any dipping or medication.

The stage when the parasites are attached to the fish is the adult breeding
stage. The adults then drop off and lay eggs in the substrate or live rock. When
the eggs hatch, the parasites enter a free-swimming stage. Those that encounter
fish during this stage attach themselves to the fish and become adults. The
entire cycle takes about 3 weeks. The eggs can be introduced in food such as
seaweed or on live rock. Juveniles and adults usually come in on parasitized
fish or the water in the bags containing new fish.

Some people think their fish has recovered when the adults drop off and find
that they have another "outbreak" two weeks later. In other cases, something
like a cleaner shrimp population manages to kill enough of the things to break
the cycle.

George Patterson
If you torture the data long enough, eventually it will confess
to anything.