Ich and tang...

"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message ink.net...
The black spots on shrimp, are like a bruising of
the cells, but usually does not kill the cleaner
shrimp, and is usually temporary.

It looks ugly. I had this problem with my other shrimps
which died already. My tank was shrimp-less for long.
It does not go away after molting, so I am not sure
if this is only surface bruising - I have read somewhere
it is some viral disease of shrimps, but I had no choice.
I know this is good cure for ich so I had to get at least
one, even if ugly.

Do whatever keeps the tang healthy and stress free.
It may get the ich again, but it should be less if
it gets it again.

I just caught this sick fish a moment ago, sitting with lights
on in his night-home, next to the rock and shrimp was
walking all over him, sniping something from his skin
like on the all-you-can-eat buffet! This is amazing that
the shrimp "knows" what to do with a sick fish and fish
"knows" that the shrimp is its cure and let the doctor
do his work :-)

Reef tank rocks! :-)))

Guess again dumbass.its not a bruise.........your a ****ing dumbass
WAyne.......

On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 01:40:31 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:

The black spots on shrimp, are like a bruising of
the cells, but usually does not kill the cleaner
shrimp, and is usually temporary.

Do whatever keeps the tang healthy and stress free.
It may get the ich again, but it should be less if
it gets it again.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Pszemol wrote on 2/28/2007 1:50 PM:
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
No, I wouldn't vacuum the sand. It is true that the parasite likes to
attach to calcium carbonate, in fact it has been shown that a tank
with no calcium carbonate material, will greatly if not completely
prevent the cycle of ich.

Did not know this... interesting.

But what I would do is yes you can ad the peppermint shrimp. They will
clean some, but get some cleaner shrimp in there. If the tang is
healthy, and has no other stress factors it will heal up just fine
with some cleaner shrimp in there.

I could not catch peppermint in the other tank.
So right after work I went out to the store, picked up
one Lysmata amboinensis (they all had this "black
spot disease" so it was very hard to pick even one
with little less visible symptoms).

After lights out I introduced new shrimp to the tank
and went to sleep.

Today when I went to work I could not inspect fish,
it was sleeping behind rocks, but now, I am home
and I see fish has almost no white spots. I see
drastic change. From about 20 spots now I can
see empty places where the parasite was sitting
and maybe 2 or 3 where it is still something there.

I am not sure if the shrimp was so active or if the
parasite was ready to drop from the fish on its own.

I fed the tang generous portion of dried algae and
some meat pellets, what else can I do to help him ?

Should I continue feeding him sliced garlic?
Here is interesting article about ich and garlic:
http://www.marineaquariumadvice.com/...and-Garlic.htm



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Yes it can be caused by disease. I've seen many
cleaner shrimp loose their black spots after
molting. And it could take more than one molt to
loose the black spots. And sometimes cleaner shrimp
with black spots die, but usually they don't.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Pszemol wrote on 2/28/2007 10:45 PM:
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
The black spots on shrimp, are like a bruising of the cells, but
usually does not kill the cleaner shrimp, and is usually temporary.

It looks ugly. I had this problem with my other shrimps
which died already. My tank was shrimp-less for long.
It does not go away after molting, so I am not sure
if this is only surface bruising - I have read somewhere
it is some viral disease of shrimps, but I had no choice.
I know this is good cure for ich so I had to get at least
one, even if ugly.

Thats your ****ing opinoin asshole...your a freaking moron
Wayne..........a big freaking moron.



On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:21:21 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:

Yes it can be caused by disease. I've seen many
cleaner shrimp loose their black spots after
molting. And it could take more than one molt to
loose the black spots. And sometimes cleaner shrimp
with black spots die, but usually they don't.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Pszemol wrote on 2/28/2007 10:45 PM:
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
The black spots on shrimp, are like a bruising of the cells, but
usually does not kill the cleaner shrimp, and is usually temporary.

It looks ugly. I had this problem with my other shrimps
which died already. My tank was shrimp-less for long.
It does not go away after molting, so I am not sure
if this is only surface bruising - I have read somewhere
it is some viral disease of shrimps, but I had no choice.
I know this is good cure for ich so I had to get at least
one, even if ugly.




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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Pszemol wrote:
what the hell you call plenum? :-)

Sorry, sand & gravel on the bottom.

--Kurt

"Tristin" wrote in message
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Thats your ****ing opinoin asshole...your a freaking moron
Wayne..........a big freaking moron.

Wayne........ another Roy "Tristan" Hauer victim singled our for abuse. The
list grows daily.

------ PLONK ------

Pszemol wrote:

I know my English is not perfect, but what the hell you call plenum? :-)

Do a search for "Joubert plenum."

George Patterson
If you torture the data long enough, eventually it will confess
to anything.

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"Tristin" wrote in message
news

Here Carol, you mistakingly posted these in a freshwater group.
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:41:56 -0600, "Ocean Breeze"
wrote:


Roy "Tristin" Hauer wrote nothing of
value to
anyone and was
promptly slapped down by a dead starfish:
wrote in message ...

Still trolling the groups... eh Tristan? Still making everyone as
miserable
as you are..... what an ass!

WOW..this group sure has a lot of dumbasses associated with
it......shortucts, wow, pay the piper now or pay the piper
later........no such thing as a free luch.........as yo get out of
it
what you put into it and that goes for not doing things right! duh!
I'm sure you'll get all kinds of usefull info on how to cure that
ICH
magnet tang and rid your tank of ICH in the process all without
taking
it out and putting it in a QT......This may make a good case study
on
another marine group as to how not to do things!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:59:30 -0600, "Pszemol"
wrote:

I made a stupid mistake and I added some new live rock
to an old, established tank without quarantine it first...
The effect: my large hepatus tang got ich.

I do not want to cure it in the reef and taking it out
will be a challenge. I was thinking about getting some
cleaner shrimps to eat the parasite from the fish skin.

I plan to buy two skunk cleaners (Lysmata amboinensis)
but in the mean time - how about adding some peppermint
shrimps? I have 3 medium sized Lysmata wurdermanni in
an other tank, I could move them to the tank with tang.
Do you think it is a good idea?

BTW
- I have two large maroon clowns and adult royal gramma
in the same tank with the hepatus tang... They do not show
any symptomps of ich. Can they be host without symptoms?



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

"George Patterson" wrote in message news:P3EFh.4222$854.1160@trnddc04...
Pszemol wrote:

I know my English is not perfect, but what the hell you call plenum? :-)

Do a search for "Joubert plenum."

Plenum is an empty space UNDER the sand, so I am not sure
how can you understand the advice on vacuuming it...

"J. M. Loralee" wrote in message .com...
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Why do you quote this troll?
Everybody filters him already and he is invisible unless quoted by somebody.