RESULT: rec.ponds.moderated will be created

"Tynk" wrote in message
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On Mar 5, 8:05?pm, "High Fins" wrote:

ANOTHER screen name???
What's that make...25 for ya now?


[REJECTION] = Hyperbolic Ad Homonym. Endangering Target.

On Mar 6, 11:17?am, "Heliope" wrote:
AND ANOTHER!!

High Fins wrote:
Who shall we blame this
time? Wayne? Tara? Derek? Carol? It's always someone else's fault
isn't it?

Well I'm pleased to see you included yourself on the list......but sadly
the only one on the list to blame for this is you, Carol.......and maybe
a bit of Wayne but then he is very new to your games and won't learn
from the experience of others.....he will soon enough.....and not via
abuse from Roy but from your incessant trolling of a group in which you
have no interest other than carrying out your personal vendetta against
two posters on the group......then maybe one day he will listen to those
that have put up with over 2 years of this crap.....and maybe, just
maybe, acknowledge we know what we are talking about......

So come on muppet girl....dance to the tune and prove yourself as the
troll and vicious, vindicative person you truly are.....Strings are mine
tonight.....if they are not then you will clear off and leave this group
alone......so, girl, it is your call.....are you a troll or will you do
the adult thing and back off ramr.....

Choice is yours, girl

Gill

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
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High Fins wrote:
Who shall we blame this
time? Wayne? Tara? Derek? Carol? It's always someone else's fault isn't
it?

Well I'm pleased to see you included yourself on the list......but sadly
the only one on the list to blame for this is you, Carol.......and maybe a
bit of Wayne

Yep... always BLAME someone else. It's never poor foul mouth Tristan's
fault. People MAKE him attack others and have psychotic episodes. People
have magical powers. If he flips out completely and kills his wife it's
someone else's fault, right Gill? Tristan is a grown man in his 50s. No one
can make him do anything he doesn't want to do - accept that truth!

but then he is very new to your games and won't learn
from the experience of others.....he will soon enough.....and not via
abuse from Roy but from your incessant trolling of a group in which you
have no interest other than carrying out your personal vendetta against
two posters on the group......

Why are you trolling here Gill? Pot calling Kettle black? He surely sees
you have some motive to defend a sex-obsessed foul mouth person who refuses
to get help for his mental illness.

then maybe one day he will listen to those
that have put up with over 2 years of this crap.....and maybe, just maybe,
acknowledge we know what we are talking about......

Right.... we all MADE poor Tristan go postal on several posters here! We
forced him to act like an idiot.

So come on muppet girl....dance to the tune and prove yourself as the
troll and vicious, vindicative person you truly are.....

Gee Gill......... you must be looking in a mirror. :-)

Strings are mine
tonight.....if they are not then you will clear off and leave this group
alone......

You're the one replying to me!!!!!!! LOL!!!! Pot calls kettle black.
;-)

so, girl, it is your call.....are you a troll or will you do
the adult thing and back off ramr.....

Choice is yours, girl

Yep girl.......you are truly the muppet girl of the Aquarium groups.
Tristan did what he did to himself in all the groups. Anyone who looks in
rec.ponds for the past few months is well aware of his obsessive anti-social
behavior. Anyone who Googles Roy or ~Roy or ~Roy~ will quickly see what he
is. Your defending him isn't going to turn him into a normal person. You're
not qualified to deal with his serious borderline personality disorder.

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
High Fins wrote:
Who shall we blame this
time? Wayne? Tara? Derek? Carol? It's always someone else's fault isn't
it?

Oh, and here's your good friend Tristan's impersonation of a legitimate
poster. Why haven't you taken him to task for this Gill? Or is it Tara's
or Wayne's "fault" he did this? Why is it ok for him to nym-shift but you
get all upset when someone else does it? Goose and gander... remember?
;-)

From: "Reel McKoi"
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria.marine.reefs
Subject: SUPER LOW PRICES FIJI AND TONGA LIVE ROCK REASONABLE
SHIPPING RATES
Date: 2 Mar 2007 05:48:41 -0800
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"Tynk" wrote in message
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On Mar 6, 11:17?am, "Heliope" wrote:
AND ANOTHER!!
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Really boring on your Google group huh? No action there. I figured you'd
be back here where they can't muzzle, leash and control you.
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

On Mar 6, 10:03�pm, "Reel McKoi"
wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message

oups.com... On Mar 6, 11:17?am, "Heliope" wrote:
AND ANOTHER!!

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Really boring on your Google group huh? *No action there. *

Well Sybill,
I still post there.
Nobody argues with anyone. People disagree all the time. However, the
difference is you're not allowed there.
People can disagree without acting like you do.
Dance away muppet....Keep dancing.
It's a good laugh for eveyrone.

"Tynk" wrote in message
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On Mar 6, 10:03�pm, "Reel McKoi"
wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message

oups.com... On Mar 6,
11:17?am, "Heliope" wrote:
AND ANOTHER!!

==========================
Really boring on your Google group huh? No action there.

Well Sybill,
I still post there.
Nobody argues with anyone. People disagree all the time. However, the
difference is you're not allowed there.

Of course I'm not. I never was one of the cabal, and I was blamed for
bringing Roy Tristan Hauer here. Not only that, but I refused to vanish for
a few weeks and come back with a new name and persona and pretend to be
someone I wasn't from somewhere I've never been with fish I don't have to
fool the trolls. How horrible of me! However, you can get as nasty and
arrogant and insulting with people as you choose and they see that as ok!
Double standard here?

People can disagree without acting like you do.

Like YOU do you mean. Unless someone agrees with you you get arrogant,
nasty and run the off. They don't come back.

Dance away muppet....Keep dancing.
It's a good laugh for eveyrone.

And the laugh is on you for harassing me and failing to drive me off as you
did all the others who didn't "see things your way." So keep dancing and
prancing and jumping through the hoops.........
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

Bye bye psycho case!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Tristin" wrote in message
...


Wayne don;t like a moderated group it takes the spot light off him
just like it does CArol Gulley....Ain;t that right Wayne?

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:14:08 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:

FYI only.....for all those that doubt that the trolls can be beaten
please read the below......you are being attacked by the same troll
group......maybe consider taking this option....

Gill





The Big-8 Management Board wrote:
RESULT
rec.ponds.moderated will be created

The Last Call for Comments on 28 Feb 2007 inititated a five-day
period for
final comments. Following this comment period, the Big-8 Management
Board
has decided by a vote to create the newsgroup rec.ponds.moderated.

The vote was 8 in favor and 0 opposed. 1 active member did not
vote.

This group will be created on 09 Mar 2007.


NEWSGROUPS LINE: rec.ponds.moderated

rec.ponds.moderated Care & enjoyment of recreational pods & water
gardens. (Moderated)


CHARTER:

C01 Description and Purpose

Rec.ponds.moderated is a moderated newsgroup that provides a
friendly,
respectful forum for the discussion of all aspects of ponds and
water
gardens. The rec.ponds.moderated newsgroup appeals to a wide
range of
people involved in both the recreational and professional aspects
of
establishing and maintaining a pond or water garden. Participants
range from novices to persons with many years of experience, from
amateur hobbyists to professional botanists and ichthyologists,
from
students wishing to get help with science projects to retired
persons
seeking a quiet, pleasurable pastime. All interested persons are
welcomed to share ideas, ask questions, or simply to lurk and
learn.

C02 Permitted Content

Discussions appropriate to a ponding community including, but not
limited to:

* Building a pond/water garden
* Establishing an ecosystem
* Plant life
* Fish
* Amphibians and reptiles
* Aquatic environmental concerns
* Discussions of large, unlined natural ponds

C03 The Following Is Prohibited

All posts containing these items are rejected, and returned with
explanation if permitted by the automated software.

* Obscenities
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prejudice
or harassment
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* Frequent petty criticism of another poster
* Posts advocating violence or containing physical threats
* Attacks on others based on gender, race, sexual orientation
or religion
* Commercial posts
* Excessive cross-posting, although limited, on-topic
cross-posting
is permitted
* Chain letters
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* EMP spam
* Binaries, other than pgp signatures, x-face headers, and other
ancillary article meta-data
* Forgery of names, valid email addresses and/or approval
headers
* Excessive morphing/nym shifting ("excessive" is undefined but
is
at the discretion of the moderators)
* Excessive quoting of old material, with little new content
(these will be judgment calls made by the moderators)
* Personal identification information associated with anyone
other
than the poster (e.g. residential addresses, phone numbers
and
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* Content advocating acts that would be intrinsically illegal
in most places
* Copyright violations. (However, pointers to news articles,
blogs, etc. that are on-topic are welcome. They must comply
with
fair use standards.)

C04 Charter Implementation

The charter of this newsgroup is implemented by a group of
moderators.
Their task is to develop and carry out the methods and means
necessary
to insure that the stated purposes of the group charter are
accomplished.
Their methods shall be defined as Moderation Policy and Practices.
(MPP)

Moderators make use of whatever tools and discussion processes
they deem
necessary to carry out their responsibilities. One such tool may
include the use of automated moderation software.

C05 Moderation Policy Objectives and Practices

Moderation policy adheres to and carries out the stated goals and
purposes of the group. Moderation policy & practices (MPP) may be
changed by the moderators to meet the ongoing needs of the
newsgroup
charter.

Proposed changes are announced by the moderators in the
newsgroup, and newsgroup readers are invited to share and discuss
their views of the proposed changes. Passage of the changes is by
a
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C06 Moderator Standards

Moderators approve or reject posts based upon content as listed in
C02
and C03 above. Moderators maintain a standard of neutrality and
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Decisions of the moderation team are final. Moderators permit
posts
that may contain technically incorrect information, provided that
the
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All personal posts made by moderators go through the same complete
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Moderators do not review their own posts, nor those of a relative.
Moderators who fail to abide by the charter and current moderation
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C07 Moderator Accessibility and Accountability

The moderators provide options for both private and public
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In addition, the Charter provides for limited public discussion
of the general issues of moderation policy, group operation and
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Moderators shall create and occasionally publish FAQ and other
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All participants in the group may:

* Request changes to moderation policy and participate in the
discussion of changes.
* Privately ask for all moderators to review a specific rejected
post (within practical numerical limits determined by the
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* Nominate new moderators.


MODERATION POLICY: rec.ponds.moderated

MPP01 Purpose

The purpose of moderation policy & practices is to carry out the
objectives and goals of the charter. MPP may be changed as per
the
Charter and MPP13.

MPP02 Automated (robotic) Moderation Software

If and when feasible, the moderation team may employ automated
moderation software to initially screen and pre-filter all
incoming
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with
a brief explanation (if permitted by the automated software),
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approved by the automated software will be forwarded to human
moderators for further examination.

MPP03 Cross-posting

Minimal cross-posting to related groups based on subject matter
(e.g.,fish hobby, gardening and wildlife management) will be
allowed.
No cross-posting to irrelevant groups will be permitted. Such
cross-posted messages shall be returned, provided a valid return
email
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handled by automated software.

MPP04 Authorship of Posts

Anyone will be allowed to post as long as they are not forging
another
poster's name or address. Anonymous posting will be allowed.
Occasional name-shifting may be permitted, but excessive
name-shifting
will not be permitted, as per C03.

Automated robotic software methods to protect the author's
identity
may be employed through the use of voluntary passwords, pgp, or
any
other methods if and when such methods become technically
available.

MPP05 Human Moderation

After approval by any automated software, messages are forwarded
to the moderators who will review them and then make final
decisions
of approval or rejection based upon the content of the post (C02
and
C03). There shall be no editing of any post by any moderator, as
stated in C06 of the Charter. Rejected messages shall be returned
to
the poster, provided a valid return address is available. If
permitted by the software, an explanation for the rejection shall
be
included.

MPP06 Moderator Approval and Rejection Policies

At a minimum, when using automated software, one moderator may
approve a post to be forwarded to the newsgroup, and one moderator
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or reject a post whose content is borderline or questionable.
This
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post.

If a post is rejected, it may be appealed to the Moderation Team,
provided it is seen as a legitimate request, and not as a
disruptive
attempt or tactic to distract or flood the team with large numbers
of
obviously inappropriate messages.

MPP07 Personal Advertising

Very limited personal advertising shall be permitted. Such
advertising must be directly related to on-topic aquatic/pond
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matter. Such postings must be non-commercial and of a "for-sale"
type
for items that the poster no longer needs or wants. The number of
ads permitted by any one poster per any given time period shall be
left to the discretion of the moderators, with all posters subject
to
the same conditions.

MPP08 Ending Threads

The moderators reserve the right to end a thread that has veered
significantly off-topic, or that has become dominated by rehashing
and/or repetition.

MPP09 Moderator Decisions

The decisions of the moderation team shall be final.

MPP10 Structure of the Human Moderation Team

The review and moderation of posts that are approved by the
automated
software program will be conducted by a Moderation Team.

The first moderation team members will be divided into two
classes,
and appointed for one or two year terms, to end on August 31, 2008
and
2009 respectively. Thereafter a new class of moderators will be
elected annually during the month of August, to serve two-year
terms,
beginning on September 1st of the election year and continuing
through
August 31st of the second year after the election.

The current moderation team will select each new class of
moderators,
and election will be by a minimum 2/3 vote of the current
moderators.

The total number of moderators may be changed by the moderation
team,
which will seek to maintain an equal number of members in each
class.

The general readership of rec.ponds.moderated are encouraged to
propose/nominate potential moderators to the team, as per C08.

When nominating and electing new moderators, all persons involved
shall remain mindful of the benefit and need for the moderation
team
to be as globally positioned as possible. This helps to ensure
adequate global representation and also to lower the time-delay
factor
in approving posts.

Moderators may be re-elected. The moderation team shall elect
persons to fill vacancies using the 2/3 criterion for election.

MPP11 Head Moderator

The moderation team may choose to elect a
(head/chief/administrative)
moderator by a majority vote, if it deems such a position to be
necessary. The duties and responsibilities of such a position
would
be determined as needed.

MPP12 Moderator Removal

If a moderator does not abide by the charter and current
moderation
policies, the other moderators may warn and, if necessary, remove
that moderator by a 2/3 majority vote of the moderation team.
Moderators who wish to resign for any reason may do so by emailing
the head moderator or the moderation team.

MPP13 Changes to Moderation Policy & Practices

As stated in the Charter, moderation policy & practices (MPP) may
be changed to meet the permanent objectives of the Charter and the
ongoing needs of the newsgroup.

Proposed changes are announced by the moderators in the newsgroup,
and the general readership may discuss the proposed changes.
Changes
shall be adopted by a 2/3 majority of the current moderators, and
will be published in the newsgroup.

As stated in C08, the general readership may suggest changes to
policy and practices.

MPP14 Moderator Posts

Moderators shall use [MODERATOR ANNOUNCE:] to preface official
informational posts to the readership of rec.ponds.moderated.

MPP15 Moderator Contact Address

As per C07, the moderators shall provide a contact email address
for anyone who wishes to make a complaint, question, or offer a
suggestion.


MODERATOR INFO: rec.ponds.moderated

Moderator: Derek
Moderator: Galen
Moderator: ~jan
Moderator: Jim
Moderator: Kathy30a
Moderator: Phyllis
Moderator: Gill

At the time of the submission of the 3rd RFD/LCC, the proponent and
proposed moderators of r.p.m have chosen to use ReadySTUMP as the
automated software program for the newsgroup.


Article Submissions:
Administrative Contact:


DISTRIBUTION:

This document has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
rec.ponds
rec.aquaria.misc
rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc

The proponent will also post pointers to:

rec.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish
rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants
alt.aquaria


PROPONENT:

Ron Schompert

Co-Proponent: Galen Hekhuis


CHANGE HISTORY:

2006-12-14 1st RFD
2007-01-12 2nd RFD
2007-02-28 3rd RFD/LCC
2007-03-05 Results



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

"swarvegorilla" wrote in message
...
YEA BABY!!!!
that is super sweet

jeez took a while but yes a big pat on the back for all involved
very very well done
WooooooooooooT!!!



No more asshole Tristan and no more idiot jabberhole.................
Yaaaaaaaaa HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!