octopus climbing out of tanks

Nehmo wrote:

This thread has reached twenty-something (including one spam) and no
one has provided any video,

Buy it he

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/octopus/

-paul

Nehmo wrote:

On Apr 13, 11:09 pm, Mike Williams wrote:
Well yes, we started from the idea that there are lots of friend-of-a-
friend type stories about this.

This thread has reached twenty-something (including one spam) and no
one has provided any video, or anything but hearsay, of an octopus
doing anything except going through a hole and another of fighting a
shark. For now, I'll have to conclude octopuses don't go on nighttime
excursions outside their aquariums.

I was just in a fish (for food) store, and I'm in Kansas, quite far
from an ocean. They had octopus for less than $3/pound. They must be
reasonably prevalent, and there must be people who buy them.


If you can't find it on YouTube, it doesn't exist.

At this point, there's no evidence of fish missing or wet floors. Yes,
people make things up. And people often elaborate on a true fact. I
believe octopuses open lids of aquariums. That's plausible. But
steeling from another aquarium and returning to their own, I'm afraid
it's an urban myth.

I would like to believe otherwise. As soon as you find some evidence,
let me know please.
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uOn Apr 15, 7:38 am, Wayne Sallee wrote:
Your right, it's a conspiracy. Octopus don't get out
of the aquariums. What is really happening is that
people are going to the aquariums in the night, and
grabbing the octopus out of the aquarium, and
throwing them on the floor, and claiming that they
got out. And the same thing is happening with fish
and crabs, and other critters as well.

hehehehehehehehe

Bill Turlock "Bill Turlock wrote:

Nehmo wrote:

That story seems to say the crabs would win against the octopus. I
suppose it depends on how big they were. But, yes, you're right,
there's no video. Certainly, videos back then were rare.

I'm beginning to conclude the traveling-oct story has no truth to it.
Since plenty of people keep them as aquarium subjects, behavior as
bizarre as this would have been better documented by now.

But they are strange and probably smarter than we give them credit
for. I knew a girl who used to take walks on Portuguese fishing boats.
She said there were piles of freshly-caught still-alive octopuses on
the deck. When you walked past, the octopuses would follow you with
their eyes. She said you could see the expression of resignation an
pleading in their eyes.


Don't anthropomorphize the octupii, they hate that.

But, all seriousnes aside, I clearly remember seeing a film a
long time ago where an octupus would crawl out of its tank and
unscrew a mason jar with a food-critter in it. I suspect that
they are very intelligent. But not intelligent enough to avoid
getting caught.

The version of that story that I'd heard was to prove that an octopus
could generalize from watching something. They left the screwtop jar
in one octopus tank and the octopus had no idea what to do with it.
Then, in an adjacent tank, they added an octopus that had been trained
to open such a jar to get at dinner. After watching a few times, the
"naive" octopus was able to open the jar, too.
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Greg Goss wrote:

Bill Turlock "Bill Turlock wrote:

Nehmo wrote:

That story seems to say the crabs would win against the octopus. I
suppose it depends on how big they were. But, yes, you're right,
there's no video. Certainly, videos back then were rare.

I'm beginning to conclude the traveling-oct story has no truth to it.
Since plenty of people keep them as aquarium subjects, behavior as
bizarre as this would have been better documented by now.

But they are strange and probably smarter than we give them credit
for. I knew a girl who used to take walks on Portuguese fishing boats.
She said there were piles of freshly-caught still-alive octopuses on
the deck. When you walked past, the octopuses would follow you with
their eyes. She said you could see the expression of resignation an
pleading in their eyes.


Don't anthropomorphize the octupii, they hate that.

But, all seriousnes aside, I clearly remember seeing a film a
long time ago where an octupus would crawl out of its tank and
unscrew a mason jar with a food-critter in it. I suspect that
they are very intelligent. But not intelligent enough to avoid
getting caught.

The version of that story that I'd heard was to prove that an octopus
could generalize from watching something. They left the screwtop jar
in one octopus tank and the octopus had no idea what to do with it.
Then, in an adjacent tank, they added an octopus that had been trained
to open such a jar to get at dinner. After watching a few times, the
"naive" octopus was able to open the jar, too.


OK. Then, what I remember is an octopus and a screw-top jar.

"Nehmo" wrote ...

I was just in a fish (for food) store, and I'm in Kansas, quite far
from an ocean. They had octopus for less than $3/pound. They must be
reasonably prevalent, and there must be people who buy them.
--

Obviously, a number of folks migrating to Kansas have carried along one of
the necessary components for octopus, the eating thereof....

The large and traditional rock upon which to slap repeatedly the slimy
boogers for pre-culinary tenderizing. A concrete back step/stoop works but
gives up the flavors of all what have trod upon it, and a large coastal
boulder is preferable.

A dozen good licks, a sharp knife and a dab hand at the sauté pan and such
dishes as "pulpos y arroz en tinta" become possible, even on Tuesday night.
"En escabeche", a sort of traditional tapas, is but the labor of moments.

TM "Ola, Cantinero. Saddle my horse." Oliver

"Nehmo" wrote in message
ups.com...
There are mentions on the web of an octopus climbing out of a tank,
traveling across a dry surface, going into another tank, grabbing a
fish for a meal, and then returning to their home tank. Some web-
comments say there is a video that was on TV. But I haven't found
anything like it on the web. Is this behavior possible? Is this story
true?

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In my experience, when octopus climb out of tanks, they die on the floor.
Got no bones ya see.
Yes I can see them moving accross into another tank on same rack
but once they drop to the floor
they are almost a jellyfish
So while it may have happened
I assure ya, most octopus that escape tanks, die pretty close to where they
land.
:-)

On Apr 15, 10:20 am, "Nehmo" wrote:
At this point, there's no evidence of fish missing or wet floors. Yes,
people make things up. And people often elaborate on a true fact. I
believe octopuses open lids of aquariums. That's plausible. But
steeling from another aquarium and returning to their own, I'm afraid
it's an urban myth.

I would like to believe otherwise. As soon as you find some evidence,
let me know please.


Cynicism is the last refuge of the cynical.

P.

"R H Draney" wrote in message
...
Pushmi-Pullyu filted:

http://www.faculty.uaf.edu/ffrsb/out...elligence.html
"In 1873, a stock of young lump-fish in the Brighton Aquarium began
to slowly diminish for no apparent reason. Almost daily, there was one
less fish in the tank and no clues as to what had happened. One early
morning the mystery was solved when an aquarium official found an
octopus in the lump fishes' tank. The octopus somehow had discovered
that the fish were in an adjoining tank, and had thereafter raided it
nightly. To avoid detection, every night after its meal, the octopus
would return to its tank looking innocent of any wrong doing. But this
was not the end. After its capture, the octopus seemed to know that it
was being watched, so it remained in its tank for a week. Then one
night, two octopuses climbed out of the tank, the previous offender
and another, moved in opposite directions, both avoiding the adjacent
tanks and entered those beyond. Unfortunately for both octopuses, one
found itself in a tank with several over-sized crabs and the other
with a giant lobster."

There are two parts of this story that bother me more than the idea that
an
octopus might travel from one tank to another...to wit:


Actually the fact the octopus didn't slaughter the crustys is my problem.
octopus love lobbys
which is why lobbys around here hang in caves with wobbys.
And wobbys love to eat ockys so it all works for every one.



a) "somehow had discovered" - I'd love to know how that happened...did
one just
get out of its tank on a lark and happen to stumble across the tank full
of
yummy edible fish?...

b) "looking innocent of any wrong doing" - intelligent I'll give you, but
how
well does the body language of guilt and shame transfer across a
species-gap
like that?...

Elsethread someone mentions "cephalopod porn"...I've seen video shot in
the
aftermath of a deep-sea vent opening and raising the local temperature, in
which
many species multiplied and grew prolifically...one brief sequence shows a
pair
of octopuses [1] fondling each other...the narrator points out that not
only are
they of two completely different species, but they're both male....

R H "does octopus hentai involve tentacles too?" Draney

[1] http://members.cox.net/bagelhenge/octo.jpg


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"You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!"

swarvegorilla filted:

Actually the fact the octopus didn't slaughter the crustys is my problem.
octopus love lobbys
which is why lobbys around here hang in caves with wobbys.
And wobbys love to eat ockys so it all works for every one.

Do you talk like this in real life or what?...

R H "and is there any treatment for it?" Draney


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