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U.S. backs churches in atheist fight
July 19, 2007

BY DAVID ASHENFELTER

FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

The U.S. Department of Justice has waded into a legal brawl between a
national atheist group and the Detroit Downtown Development Authority,
which pledged $734,570 in grants to three historic churches in a major
downtown face-lift in time for the 2006 Super Bowl.

A federal judge in Detroit is expected to rule soon in the case, which
could have national implications as to what role the government has in
helping to preserve historic churches.

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American Atheists Inc. sued Detroit's DDA in U.S. District Court last
year, saying the grants violated the constitutional separation between
church and state. The DDA pledged the money to the churches as partial
reimbursement for improvements the churches made to their properties.

"The churches should be paying for those projects, not taxpayers,"
American Atheists President Ellen Johnson told the Free Press last
week. She said the projects amount to public support of religion.

But the development authority, the churches and their recent ally, the
Justice Department's Civil Division, say the funds, which the churches
haven't received, don't involve Bibles, prayer books or religious
indoctrination -- only grants that enabled the churches to participate
in a program that helped downtown property owners spruce up their
property. They compared the grants to communities providing police and
fire protection for churches.

"It's been nightmarish," said the Rev. Kevin Turman, pastor of Second
Baptist Church in Greektown. He and other pastors said that without
the grants, which were due more than a year ago, the churches have
been forced to renegotiate loans, pay more interest and divert funds
from church projects.

The decision is expected to come soon from U.S. District Judge Avern
Cohn. The Justice Department said an adverse ruling could jeopardize
future national preservation grants to historic churches.

Justice Department lawyer Kathryn Wyer told Cohn that the federal
government has long recognized the importance of preserving national
historic church sites. In 2003, she said, the National Parks Service
awarded the Old North Church in Boston a $317,000 grant to restore its
windows.

The church, occupied by an Episcopal congregation, was made famous in
April 1775 when its sexton displayed two lanterns from the steeple to
warn American Revolutionary War patriot Paul Revere that the British
were advancing on Lexington, Mass.

"Federal bricks-and-mortar programs serve important secular interests
in preserving our national heritage and in providing tangible
assistance after major catastrophes," Wyer told Cohn in court papers
in April. She declined to be interviewed.

"Detroit's program, while on a smaller scale than these federal
programs, similarly serves the important purpose of bringing a
downtown area back to life," Wyer added.

American Atheists Inc., a New Jersey nonprofit founded in the 1960s by
the legendary late atheist Madalyn Murray O'Hair, sued the authority
in April 2006, after learning of the grants to Central United
Methodist Church and St. John's Episcopal Church on Woodward near the
Fox Theatre, and Second Baptist Church on Monroe.

The churches used the grant pledges to obtain $1.7 million in loans to
repair their building facades and parking lots and make other
improvements. Property owners were offered 50% reimbursement -- up to
$150,000 for building facades and $30,000 for parking lots -- to
improve their property. The grants, totaling $11.5 million, were
designed to generate $23 million in improvements.

"We agreed to provide assistance to the churches, not as churches but
as property owners," said Art Papapanos, vice president of the Detroit
Economic Growth Corp., which is affiliated with the DDA. "We didn't
differentiate between whether it was religious, political, private or
government entity."

Authority lawyers argued that the church projects complied with U.S.
Supreme Court decisions allowing governments to award grants to
religious organizations if the grants don't advance or inhibit
religion or result in religious indoctrination.

The atheist group was joined in its suit by Steve Walker, a political
science professor at Wayne County Community College, and Dennis
Vatsis, a Detroit lawyer who lives in West Bloomfield.

"I have nothing against these churches, but why would I want to
subsidize them with my tax money?" asked Walker.

Added Vatsis: "I'm just tired of working 60 hours a week to fund these
government schemes to dole out my tax money, particularly when we have
a constitutional prohibition against it."

"bobandcarole" wrote in message
oups.com...
"There are no atheists in foxholes"

There are no atheists.

Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than what
people say about him.

Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the word
atheist means.

People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.

On Jul 28, 7:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" wrote:
"bobandcarole" wrote in message

oups.com...

"There are no atheists in foxholes"

There are no atheists.

Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than what
people say about him.

Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the word
atheist means.

People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.


In your case, that would be any words.

Atheist - without a deity.

I don't believe in a deity, therefore I am atheist. Simple as that.

--

Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor

The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom

Convicted by Earthquack

"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"

On Jul 28, 2:45 pm, bobandcarole wrote:

"There are no atheists in foxholes"

How the **** would YOUR fat ass know, you lazy blobtarded ****wit?!!

Use your brain. support science, not superstition.

"Lucifer" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Jul 28, 7:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" wrote:
"bobandcarole" wrote in message

oups.com...

"There are no atheists in foxholes"

There are no atheists.

Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
what
people say about him.

Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the
word
atheist means.

People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.


In your case, that would be any words.

Atheist - without a deity.

I don't believe in a deity, therefore I am atheist. Simple as that.

Yes you do, you just don't know what you are saying when you use that word,
deity.

It encompasses more than you now realize.

On Jul 28, 3:05?pm, ScottyFLL wrote:
On Jul 28, 2:45 pm, bobandcarole wrote:

"There are no atheists in foxholes"

How the **** would YOUR fat ass know, you lazy blobtarded ****wit?!!

I've been there, unlike YOU, pathetic pussy queer.


ScottyFLL or ****tyFLL as he is known in APH
is a proven liar and keep in mind that he will netKKKop
you if he/she can. Of course he can't netKKKop moi, because I am
anonymized to perfection. My usenet longevity is proof positive of
that assertion. But keep in mind that he strives to be a pussy
netKKKop coward. Why? Because ****tyFLL IS a coward.

My pet monkey lc, recently named "Little ****" {Also a netKKKop
wannabe} thinks I live in Vancouver. Impotent psycho stalker sniper
308 aka "cap-gun" thinks I live in Virginia. Pathetic colon choker
jaye elke thinks I live in Indiana. Which one of the Three Spooges do
you think is right? Moe, Larry, Curley or none of the above?


We all remember when a foolishly confident ****tyFLL posted this
priceless gem:


"I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here
parts...at least while I'm around"--faggot ScottyFLL


A tagline for the ages to be sure!


After I shoved his delusional rant down his throat,
he lied and said he didn't post it after it was
witnessed by everyone. ****tyFLL IS a liar!


We've seen less of faggot ****tyFLL but not me.
Just as I knew it would be, of course. He was doomed to
failure from day one. And I'll be here.."as long as scotty is
around" :-) ****tyFLL IS delusional


His forgeries are well documented.
This is ****tyFLLs "screenshot"


http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?i...screenslz4.jpg


This is the authentic version:


http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2849/bcos5.jpg


~~****tyFLL...usenets biggest sot~~


We can't help but mention the fact that ****tyFLL is a chronic
alcoholic as evidenced by his posts in alt.recovery.aa. He
has no discipline or self control and that fact is laughable to
say the least! . One has to wonder if his babbling tirades
regarding me are fueled by 100 proof. :-)


We've established, beyond a reasonable doubt, the fact that scotty
WILL lie...about what he posts and about his deviant habits and
lifestyle. And he/it will lie about other purveyors of truth like
myself. Also we've established the fact that he is a ****head, which
could explain his incoherent babbling and his willingness to believe
posts with forged headers are authentic.


He's a proven liar, faggot, forger AND a pussy netKKKop. You can't
get
much lower than that.


Oh, did I mention he is a flaming homo that ingests sperm and
has many disgusting homo/freak fetishes?



http://groups.google.com/group/alt.f...84d3c7919c791?

Tosses ScottyFLL a five spot


Have another drink ****ty, this one's on me....



From the gloryhole that ****tyFLL mans regularly:


~~~"Squirt! Squirt!"~~~~ ROTF!!!!!!











"I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here
parts...at least while I'm around"--faggot ScottyFLL


"I threatened suit, you changed your illegal
behavior because you're a scared little pussy,
and I let it go"--Documented liar ScottyFLL


http:://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/c77847ce4ccc4e4e?
dmode=source&hl=en

BTW...when you give him several usenet cockslaps he threatens to sue,
try it, it's fun!...ROTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bobandcarole wrote:
"There are no atheists in foxholes"

This article has nothing to do with that canard.
snip


The U.S. Department of Justice has waded into a legal brawl between a
national atheist group and the Detroit Downtown Development Authority,
which pledged $734,570 in grants to three historic churches in a major
downtown face-lift in time for the 2006 Super Bowl.

I tend to agree with the DDDA. Nothing wrong with sprucing up the town.
The problem is, the Church doesn't pay any taxes, so this benefit is
basically a free ride emburdened by the tax payers. When the Church
starts being a part of the taxpaying community, then it deserves the
benefits thereof.

--
Uncle Vic
#2011

Mark Earnest wrote:
"bobandcarole" wrote in message
oups.com...
"There are no atheists in foxholes"

There are no atheists.

Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than what
people say about him.

Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the word
atheist means.

People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.

People fart sloppily and crap in their pants when they don't sound impressive.

Oh, man. I just made a mess in my pants.

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:45:44 -0700, bobandcarole
wrote:

"There are no atheists in foxholes"

There are no intelligent people in your house either.