Seeding an Angelfish tank

On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:26:08 +0000, Andy Pastuszak wrote:

What type of fish do people think are a good seed fish that can live with
Angelfish later? I tend to think that Angelfish may be a bit too
delicate to survive the seeding process.

Put the plants in first and then add a little ammonia avery day for about
a week. That way you don't need any "seed" fish. Just change the water a
little more often for the first month (after that first week). Look up
"fishless cycling" for more info.

I did it that way and never saw any ammonia or nitrites, the plants and
the bacteria combined did the trick.

Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:26:08 +0000, Andy Pastuszak wrote:

What type of fish do people think are a good seed fish that can live with
Angelfish later? I tend to think that Angelfish may be a bit too
delicate to survive the seeding process.

Put the plants in first and then add a little ammonia avery day for about
a week. That way you don't need any "seed" fish. Just change the water a
little more often for the first month (after that first week). Look up
"fishless cycling" for more info.

I did it that way and never saw any ammonia or nitrites, the plants and
the bacteria combined did the trick.


I always see ammonia being suggested as the "additive" to start the
nitrogen cycle bacteria. Why not urea?

Urea is a "synthetic organic." When bacteria digest urea they first
convert it to ammonia.

As I understand the nitrogen cycle, it is like this:

Urea - ammonia - nitrites - nitrates.

Indeed, the form of nitrogen in fish waste is Urea ...

Urea is cheap, an 80# sack cost me under $20.00 USD including tax ...

If you have ammonia and urea is a hassle, by all means use it (clear
ammonia with NO soaps/additives!) If not, use Urea ... right?

Urea just seems more inline with the natural nitrogen cycle ...

As a side note, 75%-90% of the solids in urine is Urea, urine is
sterile, urine contains micro-nutrients--amino acids, minerals,
vitamins, etc., most all of these beneficial, or at the least, benign,
to plants; however, I do not suggest urinating in our tanks! LOL

Regards,
JS


Regards,
JS

On Jul 5, 10:10*pm, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:26:08 +0000, Andy Pastuszak wrote:

Put the plants in first and then add a little ammonia avery day for about
a week. *That way you don't need any "seed" fish. *Just change the water a
little more often for the first month (after that first week). *Look up
"fishless cycling" for more info.

I did it that way and never saw any ammonia or nitrites, the plants and
the bacteria combined did the trick.

This i have to try! Off to do some searches.

On Jul 7, 12:37*pm, Andy wrote:
On Jul 5, 10:10*pm, Larry Blanchard wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:26:08 +0000, Andy Pastuszak wrote:
Put the plants in first and then add a little ammonia avery day for about
a week. *That way you don't need any "seed" fish. *Just change the water a
little more often for the first month (after that first week). *Look up
"fishless cycling" for more info.

I did it that way and never saw any ammonia or nitrites, the plants and
the bacteria combined did the trick.

This i have to try! *Off to do some searches.

You can toss in a tiny cocktail shrimp, or some fish food etc and let
it spoil for a few days to get the action going, and then remove the
cocktail shrimp so it does not become too putrid. Monitor water
parameters for rise and then fall of Ammonia and then the nitrate and
nitrite cycyles etc.......no live fish need be used, or perhaps the
best way is get some filter media from an established tank and use it.
Even if there is a chance of ICH or some other problem in the
established tank, as long as there is no fish to host inthe new setup
it willdie off rather quickly long before the tank is finished
cycling. So old filter media form an established tank works great as
does fish food or dead cocktailshrimp.

KurtG wrote:

You can toss in a tiny cocktail shrimp, or some fish food etc and let
it spoil for a few days to get the action going, and then remove the
cocktail shrimp so it does not become too putrid. Monitor water
parameters for rise and then fall of Ammonia and then the nitrate and
nitrite cycyles etc.......no live fish need be used, or perhaps the
best way is get some filter media from an established tank and use it.
Even if there is a chance of ICH or some other problem in the
established tank, as long as there is no fish to host inthe new setup
it willdie off rather quickly long before the tank is finished
cycling. So old filter media form an established tank works great as
does fish food or dead cocktailshrimp.

You know, I do have another working tank with an Aquaclear 200 in it.
That filter currently has 2 of the foam block inserts in it. I should
be able to yank one of those out and use it, or even wring both blocks
out and pour the water into the new tank.

Andy

On Jul 8, 10:58*pm, Andy Pastuszak wrote:
KurtG wrote:
You can toss in a *tiny cocktail shrimp, or some fish food etc and let
it spoil for a few days to get the action going, and then remove the
cocktail shrimp so it does not become too putrid. Monitor water
parameters for rise and then fall of Ammonia and then the nitrate and
nitrite cycyles etc.......no live fish need be used, or perhaps the
best way is get some filter media from an established tank and use it.
Even if there is a chance of ICH or some other problem in the
established tank, as long as there is no fish to host inthe new setup
it willdie off rather quickly long before the tank is finished
cycling. *So old filter media form an established tank works great as
does fish food or dead cocktailshrimp.

You know, I do have another working tank with an Aquaclear 200 in it.
That filter currently has 2 of the foam block inserts in it. *I should
be able to yank one of those out and use it, or even wring both blocks
out and pour the water into the new tank.

Andy

Sure can, just pull those foam blocks out of that filter and place i
the new filter. Can you exchange some substrate between the two tanks,
as that is also a way, as is using sopme water although water does not
carry as much goodies as foam or filter media or substrate does. Just
stick some filter bats in the operating filter and in a couple of days
it will be in habited as well.......

The dwarf angels are in the home aquarium real eye catchers. Their bodies are solid chrome yellow, as opposed to complex patterns in many species of angel. The vibrant color is accented by a blue neon light around the eye and the gill cover and fins along its outer edge. Junior lemonpeels a large (artificial eye) Monocular Blue Black trim on the sides of their bodies. These eye spots will fade forgotten the fish mature.

You know, I do accept addition alive catchbasin with an Aquaclear 200 in it. That clarify currently has 2 of the cream block inserts in it. I should be able to draw one of those out and use it, or even choke both blocks out and cascade the baptize into the new tank.