Various Symptoms

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 01:02:35 GMT, wrote:

add 1 teaspoon salt per 5 gallons, no

Is there a reason for the discrepancy between what you are saying here
and your website info?

"So 1 tablespoon per 5 gallons is around 0.1%"

Azul

3 tablespoons per 5 gallons is a 0.3% solution and I use it at this
strength if I ever have any problems with no bad affects on the fancy
goldies at all. As long as you add it gradually the bio-bugs never seem to
be affected, although it probably will kill plants. I remove mine to a
seperate bucket just in case. You can actually kill ich by using a salt
solution at this strength for 2 weeks with no ich meds at all. It also helps
a lot of other problems.
Mel.

"Azul" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:33:48 -0000, "Mel" wrote:

Add the salt at a rate of 3 tablespoons per every 5
gallons of water and remember to replace the appropriate amount of salt
with
each water change. So for example, if you remove and replace 5 gallons
of
water, add another 3 tablespoons of salt. (Dissolve the salt in a
little
tank water before adding).

Hi Mel,

I believe that is too much salt. Here is a quote from Ingrid's
Puregold site.

"A solution of one teaspoon per gallon is 0.132% salt. So 1 tablespoon
per 5 gallons is around 0.1%
A LOW concentration is up to 0.1%. This concentration will not hurt
most plants and is what is typically used in ponds and tanks. Addition
to fresh water is done over 3 days."

Hope this helps everyone.



Azul

anything greater than 0.1% should be used short term, 0.3% can cause tail shredding
and burns when used for longer than a couple days. It does work with ich, but I am
unconvinced it treats anything else. Ingrid

"Mel" wrote:
3 tablespoons per 5 gallons is a 0.3% solution and I use it at this
strength if I ever have any problems with no bad affects on the fancy
goldies at all. As long as you add it gradually the bio-bugs never seem to
be affected, although it probably will kill plants. I remove mine to a
seperate bucket just in case. You can actually kill ich by using a salt
solution at this strength for 2 weeks with no ich meds at all. It also helps
a lot of other problems.
Mel.


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start with small amounts work up. fish with no salt will typically start blowing off
quite a bit of ammonia when the salt is run up to 0.1%. for somebody trying to deal
with toxic water, this isnt a good idea.. Ingrid

Azul wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 01:02:35 GMT, wrote:

add 1 teaspoon salt per 5 gallons, no

Is there a reason for the discrepancy between what you are saying here
and your website info?

"So 1 tablespoon per 5 gallons is around 0.1%"

Azul



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

so to clear things up.......? how much salt?


wrote in message
...
start with small amounts work up. fish with no salt will typically start
blowing off
quite a bit of ammonia when the salt is run up to 0.1%. for somebody
trying to deal
with toxic water, this isnt a good idea.. Ingrid

Azul wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 01:02:35 GMT, wrote:

add 1 teaspoon salt per 5 gallons, no

Is there a reason for the discrepancy between what you are saying here
and your website info?

"So 1 tablespoon per 5 gallons is around 0.1%"

Azul



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

1 tsp per 5 gallons work up to 3 teaspoons per 5. Ingrid

"Carlos" wrote:

so to clear things up.......? how much salt?


wrote in message
...
start with small amounts work up. fish with no salt will typically start
blowing off
quite a bit of ammonia when the salt is run up to 0.1%. for somebody
trying to deal
with toxic water, this isnt a good idea.. Ingrid

Azul wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 01:02:35 GMT, wrote:

add 1 teaspoon salt per 5 gallons, no

Is there a reason for the discrepancy between what you are saying here
and your website info?

"So 1 tablespoon per 5 gallons is around 0.1%"

Azul



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.




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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

You won't believe this but I have a fancy-finned goldfish that will
display swim bladder symptoms if I feed him anything but frozen
veggies (thawed, of course). When he first showed symptoms I did a web
search and found out about the frozen pea trick - you feed the fish a
thawed, well cut up frozen pea(discard the pea's outer shell first).
Then you can also fast a day or two.
The pea worked. Problem is - whenever I gave the fish regular food
or thawed bloodworms or brine he would stay at the top or bottom and
show signs of bladder imbalance. As long as I keep him on veggies he
is fine and swims happily. Can you believe?
SuziCreamCheese - and PS, water quality is not an issue with me. I
maintain many tanks and have years of experience!

(suzicreamcheese) wrote in message . com...
You won't believe this but I have a fancy-finned goldfish that will
display swim bladder symptoms if I feed him anything but frozen
veggies (thawed, of course).

This is almost certainly constipation, not swim bladder. Constipation
is real common in fancies because of their short fat round bodies--
the digestive organs aren't as efficient because of the shape they are
confined in. There are lots of opinions on how to treat it.

Some other options: No food one day/week; alternate the types of food
regularly between veggies and other stuff; try feeding just once a
day. Keep feeding those veggies if they keep him normal.

Also watch out for high nitrates-- they can cause floating issues.
Good luck.

it is the amount that is usually a problem. extremely tiny amounts will not cause
floatiness. most people feed fish like they were large animals. but they dont
require anywhere near the amount of food most people are feeding. and wet food
really helps with floaters, as does warm water. INgrid

(suzicreamcheese) wrote:

You won't believe this but I have a fancy-finned goldfish that will
display swim bladder symptoms if I feed him anything but frozen
veggies (thawed, of course). When he first showed symptoms I did a web
search and found out about the frozen pea trick - you feed the fish a
thawed, well cut up frozen pea(discard the pea's outer shell first).
Then you can also fast a day or two.
The pea worked. Problem is - whenever I gave the fish regular food
or thawed bloodworms or brine he would stay at the top or bottom and
show signs of bladder imbalance. As long as I keep him on veggies he
is fine and swims happily. Can you believe?
SuziCreamCheese - and PS, water quality is not an issue with me. I
maintain many tanks and have years of experience!



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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

What about a gel food? You can make them yourself. I feed soaked flakes in
morning and home-made gel food (veggies and tuna in one, and veggies and dew
worms in other) in the evening. My guppies also get gel food, but the
Angel's don't seem to like it. They are more carnivorous, though, from what
I understand. I can send you a basic recipe if you would like...

BTW, gel food does sink, and is made from 1/3 peas so it should work with
your fish. Might be worth a try.

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"suzicreamcheese" wrote in message
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You won't believe this but I have a fancy-finned goldfish that will
display swim bladder symptoms if I feed him anything but frozen
veggies (thawed, of course). When he first showed symptoms I did a web
search and found out about the frozen pea trick - you feed the fish a
thawed, well cut up frozen pea(discard the pea's outer shell first).
Then you can also fast a day or two.
The pea worked. Problem is - whenever I gave the fish regular food
or thawed bloodworms or brine he would stay at the top or bottom and
show signs of bladder imbalance. As long as I keep him on veggies he
is fine and swims happily. Can you believe?
SuziCreamCheese - and PS, water quality is not an issue with me. I
maintain many tanks and have years of experience!