'Veggie' Filter

my koi pond and veggie filter http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/ponds/8-2003.html
pond and veggie filter construction
it is about 90 gallons and my pond is about 1400? gallons.
dont use lava rocks. shallow veggie filters work fantastic. use some course filter
material for the large stuff, the plants will take care of the rest.
use water flow that gives you a pleasant waterfall. pond water should exit from the
middle of the depth of the pond, that way catastrophic leaks wont leave your fish
high and dry. return should give nice waterfall, remember that the higher the pump
has to pump, the less water the pump can pump.
rather than a set area per gallon of pond I find using enough to keep the nitrates at
zero is fine.
a typical waterfall does not provide enough oxygenation .. add some extra aeration.
Ingrid

"Dave Hahn" wrote:
I need some information on what a 'veggie filter' should be. Some say that
the surface area should be 10 - 20% of your pond. Others say that it should
be 10 - 20% of the pond volume. Which is correct.
Also some say not to use lava rocks, others say it's okay.
What about water flow? How many gph should it have?
Should the pond water enter from the top or the bottom?


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K30a wrote:
Don't use lava rock.
The veggie filter will catch 'gunk' and the lava rock will be very hard to
clean.

My veggie filter is as simple as floating water hyacinths at the top of my
upflow mech/bio filter.
Things grow like crazy and I have to watch they don't plug the outlet.

Bonnie has a good veggie filter and pictures.
So does BV. Hope they catch this and post their
plans.


k30a
and the watergardening labradors
http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html

my pond, a 300 gal stock tank, has a birdbath filled with watercress. the
pump lifts water up through the hollow pedestal to the bowl. it feeds the
watercress and then overflows and aerates the water.
mad
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http://community.webshots.com/album/14478479WdPMkPBPmt
http://community.webshots.com/album/40739268OAqLln
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From: "Dave Hahn"
Organization: Road Runner - EC
Newsgroups: rec.ponds
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:28:19 GMT
Subject: 'Veggie' Filter

I need some information on what a 'veggie filter' should be. Some say that
the surface area should be 10 - 20% of your pond. Others say that it should
be 10 - 20% of the pond volume. Which is correct.
Also some say not to use lava rocks, others say it's okay.
What about water flow? How many gph should it have?
Should the pond water enter from the top or the bottom?

Here is what I think I am going to do:
Pond size = 1600 gallons
'Veggie Filter' = 225 gallons (2x10x1.5)
GPH Flow = 400
Pond water will enter from the bottom and cascade out the top like a
waterfall.

Will this work?





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That would be a nice idea for a OT tank. Great idea using the bird bath.
Joann
"news.wirelessfrontier.net" wrote in message
...
my pond, a 300 gal stock tank, has a birdbath filled with watercress. the
pump lifts water up through the hollow pedestal to the bowl. it feeds the
watercress and then overflows and aerates the water.
mad
--
See my zone 8B pond:
http://community.webshots.com/album/14478479WdPMkPBPmt
http://community.webshots.com/album/40739268OAqLln
Rec.ponds FAQ: http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html
Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein... Prov 26:27

From: "Dave Hahn"
Organization: Road Runner - EC
Newsgroups: rec.ponds
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:28:19 GMT
Subject: 'Veggie' Filter

I need some information on what a 'veggie filter' should be. Some say
that
the surface area should be 10 - 20% of your pond. Others say that it
should
be 10 - 20% of the pond volume. Which is correct.
Also some say not to use lava rocks, others say it's okay.
What about water flow? How many gph should it have?
Should the pond water enter from the top or the bottom?

Here is what I think I am going to do:
Pond size = 1600 gallons
'Veggie Filter' = 225 gallons (2x10x1.5)
GPH Flow = 400
Pond water will enter from the bottom and cascade out the top like a
waterfall.

Will this work?





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thanks. it seems to work really well. in the winter i take the round mat of
watercress and put it down in the main pond where it winters over. i cover
the pond with plastic and add an airstone after i turn off the pump. of
course we don't have terrible winters out here in far southwest texas, but
it does get down to the 20s at night for about a month.
mad
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From: "FBCS"
Newsgroups: rec.ponds
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:54:10 GMT
Subject: 'Veggie' Filter

That would be a nice idea for a OT tank. Great idea using the bird bath.
Joann
"news.wirelessfrontier.net" wrote in message
...
my pond, a 300 gal stock tank, has a birdbath filled with watercress. the
pump lifts water up through the hollow pedestal to the bowl. it feeds the
watercress and then overflows and aerates the water.
mad
--
See my zone 8B pond:
http://community.webshots.com/album/14478479WdPMkPBPmt
http://community.webshots.com/album/40739268OAqLln
Rec.ponds FAQ: http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html
Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein... Prov 26:27

From: "Dave Hahn"
Organization: Road Runner - EC
Newsgroups: rec.ponds
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:28:19 GMT
Subject: 'Veggie' Filter

I need some information on what a 'veggie filter' should be. Some say
that
the surface area should be 10 - 20% of your pond. Others say that it
should
be 10 - 20% of the pond volume. Which is correct.
Also some say not to use lava rocks, others say it's okay.
What about water flow? How many gph should it have?
Should the pond water enter from the top or the bottom?

Here is what I think I am going to do:
Pond size = 1600 gallons
'Veggie Filter' = 225 gallons (2x10x1.5)
GPH Flow = 400
Pond water will enter from the bottom and cascade out the top like a
waterfall.

Will this work?





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Another filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

Click on *My Filter* for a diagram, *Demon Pond Filter* for more pictures
and *My Lilypond* for plumbing under liner. I put Whyacinths in the
pre-filter barrel, all barrels are in the ground with only 2" showing.
Connected they take up less than a 4'X4' space. ~ jan

My guess is that I heard the advice from you so if I didn't thank you then,
I thank you now. It really has made the pond care free.
DKat

"Jerrispond" wrote in message
...
). It was here that I heard about using lava rocks.


I have been using lava rocks in my veggie filters for almost 10 years, and
still love them. I only clean the gunk off the bottom and the rock every
2
years, and the main ponds every 5 years.....this is my only sorce of
filter
Jerri


http://www.fringeweb.com/Ponds/JerrisPond

"K30a" wrote in message
...

Don't use lava rock.
The veggie filter will catch 'gunk' and the lava rock will be very hard to
clean.

My veggie filter is as simple as floating water hyacinths at the top of my
upflow mech/bio filter.
Things grow like crazy and I have to watch they don't plug the outlet.

Bonnie has a good veggie filter and pictures.
So does BV. Hope they catch this and post their
plans.

One of these days, I'll post pictures...but not until the construction is
done. The area looks like $#^@& right now. Here is a synopsis though.

I have approx. a 3000 gallon pond, with a bottom drain. The bottom drain
empties into the VF, so my VF us gravity fed. My VF was unfortunately built
uphill from the pond, so I had a lot of liner showing. To resolve this, I
built a sandbag wall covered in stone across the VF. So water gravity feeds
to the lower VF, which contains water iris. A 1000GPH pump pushes water to
the otherside of the wall in the VF, which rises up, hides my liner, and
then overflows to a stream which flows back into the main pond. As this was
an afterthought, I also have a 4'' PVC pipe that runs under the stream. A
small amount of water flows through there.

In my upper VF, I have nothing but Water Hyacinth. They are massive now, and
my water (when I STOP MESSING WITH THE DAMN POND) is gin clear. The roots of
the WH are constantly coated in muck, and periodic squeeze (away from the
pond) of the roots, will remove tons of goo from the pond itself. The
multi-level VF, also helps with settleage.

Does that help?

BV.

BenignVanilla wrote:

"K30a" wrote in message
...

Don't use lava rock.
The veggie filter will catch 'gunk' and the lava rock will be very hard to
clean.

My veggie filter is as simple as floating water hyacinths at the top of my
upflow mech/bio filter.
Things grow like crazy and I have to watch they don't plug the outlet.

Bonnie has a good veggie filter and pictures.
So does BV. Hope they catch this and post their
plans.


One of these days, I'll post pictures...but not until the construction is
done. The area looks like $#^@& right now. Here is a synopsis though.

I have approx. a 3000 gallon pond, with a bottom drain. The bottom drain
empties into the VF, so my VF us gravity fed. My VF was unfortunately built
uphill from the pond, so I had a lot of liner showing. To resolve this, I
built a sandbag wall covered in stone across the VF. So water gravity feeds
to the lower VF, which contains water iris. A 1000GPH pump pushes water to
the otherside of the wall in the VF, which rises up, hides my liner, and
then overflows to a stream which flows back into the main pond. As this was
an afterthought, I also have a 4'' PVC pipe that runs under the stream. A
small amount of water flows through there.

In my upper VF, I have nothing but Water Hyacinth. They are massive now, and
my water (when I STOP MESSING WITH THE DAMN POND) is gin clear. The roots of
the WH are constantly coated in muck, and periodic squeeze (away from the
pond) of the roots, will remove tons of goo from the pond itself. The
multi-level VF, also helps with settleage.

Does that help?

Just curious; with a bottom drain into the lower VF, what happens if the
power or the pump goes out?

DT

"dt" wrote in message
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Just curious; with a bottom drain into the lower VF, what happens if the
power or the pump goes out?

I lose circulation, and potentially my main pond would overflow about 1/2-1
inch of water as the bigger VF area drains down into the lower. I used to
have a check valve in place at the in-flow of the VF, but I recently took it
out.

BV.