Birds and the Bees and Koi and the...

Can someone go over the basics on spawning please? I always understood it
that the lady lays the eggs, and the man fertilizes the eggs externally. If
so, then why do the males beat the females up? What am I missing?

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
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Can someone go over the basics on spawning please? I always understood it
that the lady lays the eggs, and the man fertilizes the eggs externally.
If
so, then why do the males beat the females up? What am I missing?

We've told you a million times BV, it's your mind thats missing
Like all male species, your male Koi is horny baby, as far as the male is
concerned he's just trying to get the female Koi 'in the mood', but either
she's not ready or perhaps has recently spawned already. The males usually
bump and knock up against the females until they respond. But unless she can
get away from him he will eventually exhaust her and she will die!!!!

You have to provide hiding spaces in which only the female can get into,
otherwise she's a gonner. In nature she would just simply swim away, but
because she's still there (in your pond) the male thinks she's still
interested and will carry on harassing her until the inevitable happens.
Bloody males, sex on the brain if you ask me
--
**So long, and thanks for all the fish!**

"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...
Can someone go over the basics on spawning please? I always understood it
that the lady lays the eggs, and the man fertilizes the eggs externally.
If
so, then why do the males beat the females up? What am I missing?

We've told you a million times BV, it's your mind thats missing
Like all male species, your male Koi is horny baby, as far as the male is
concerned he's just trying to get the female Koi 'in the mood', but either
she's not ready or perhaps has recently spawned already. The males usually
bump and knock up against the females until they respond. But unless she can
get away from him he will eventually exhaust her and she will die!!!!

You have to provide hiding spaces in which only the female can get into,
otherwise she's a gonner. In nature she would just simply swim away, but
because she's still there (in your pond) the male thinks she's still
interested and will carry on harassing her until the inevitable happens.
Bloody males, sex on the brain if you ask me
--
**So long, and thanks for all the fish!**

I was under the impression that the males literally knock the eggs out of
her. I don't think she can lay the eggs by herself, otherwise you wouldn't
hear of egg-bound females: they'd dump them if they could. The times that
mine have spawned, they were at it before I got up and/or noticed it. The
deed was done.

Lee

"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
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Can someone go over the basics on spawning please? I always understood it
that the lady lays the eggs, and the man fertilizes the eggs externally.
If
so, then why do the males beat the females up? What am I missing?

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

I was under the impression that the males literally knock the eggs out of
her. I don't think she can lay the eggs by herself, otherwise you wouldn't
hear of egg-bound females: they'd dump them if they could. The times that
mine have spawned, they were at it before I got up and/or noticed it. The
deed was done.

Lee

"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...
Can someone go over the basics on spawning please? I always understood it
that the lady lays the eggs, and the man fertilizes the eggs externally.
If
so, then why do the males beat the females up? What am I missing?

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

BV, If you are taking lessons from your koi, I know what you are
missing ..... try flowers. ;-}

--
some photos of my little puddle
http://community.webshots.com/user/hankpage1
"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...
Can someone go over the basics on spawning please? I always
understood it
that the lady lays the eggs, and the man fertilizes the eggs
externally. If
so, then why do the males beat the females up? What am I missing?

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

BV, If you are taking lessons from your koi, I know what you are
missing ..... try flowers. ;-}

--
some photos of my little puddle
http://community.webshots.com/user/hankpage1
"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...
Can someone go over the basics on spawning please? I always
understood it
that the lady lays the eggs, and the man fertilizes the eggs
externally. If
so, then why do the males beat the females up? What am I missing?

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

"Happy'Cam'per" wrote in message
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"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
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Can someone go over the basics on spawning please? I always understood
it
that the lady lays the eggs, and the man fertilizes the eggs externally.
If
so, then why do the males beat the females up? What am I missing?

We've told you a million times BV, it's your mind thats missing

Yeah, yeah...besides that...

Like all male species, your male Koi is horny baby, as far as the male is
concerned he's just trying to get the female Koi 'in the mood', but either
she's not ready or perhaps has recently spawned already. The males usually
bump and knock up against the females until they respond. But unless she
can
get away from him he will eventually exhaust her and she will die!!!!

You have to provide hiding spaces in which only the female can get into,
otherwise she's a gonner. In nature she would just simply swim away, but
because she's still there (in your pond) the male thinks she's still
interested and will carry on harassing her until the inevitable happens.
Bloody males, sex on the brain if you ask me

But are the eggs fertilized by the "old in and out" as Kubrick would say, or
are they fertilized in the water?


--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

"Happy'Cam'per" wrote in message
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"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
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Can someone go over the basics on spawning please? I always understood
it
that the lady lays the eggs, and the man fertilizes the eggs externally.
If
so, then why do the males beat the females up? What am I missing?

We've told you a million times BV, it's your mind thats missing

Yeah, yeah...besides that...

Like all male species, your male Koi is horny baby, as far as the male is
concerned he's just trying to get the female Koi 'in the mood', but either
she's not ready or perhaps has recently spawned already. The males usually
bump and knock up against the females until they respond. But unless she
can
get away from him he will eventually exhaust her and she will die!!!!

You have to provide hiding spaces in which only the female can get into,
otherwise she's a gonner. In nature she would just simply swim away, but
because she's still there (in your pond) the male thinks she's still
interested and will carry on harassing her until the inevitable happens.
Bloody males, sex on the brain if you ask me

But are the eggs fertilized by the "old in and out" as Kubrick would say, or
are they fertilized in the water?


--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

After the females lay the eggs, usually on a plant or roots, the male
fertilizes them with his sperm (for lack of a better term, 'sprays' them) -
no old "in and out" for these guys :~
Gale :~)

But are the eggs fertilized by the "old in and out" as Kubrick would say,
or
are they fertilized in the water?


--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com