Trees and ponds

The deepest section of my pond it 54". If the clay had not been so
hard, my arms killing me, and my neighbors looking at me down in that
hole and just shaking their heads with pity in their eyes, I would have
probably gone to 5 feet. It sometimes get really cold here in Colorado
and the pond is in full sun. However the nice greenish water adds some
protection for the residents. :-)
W. Dale

Newbie Bill wrote:

Thanks for the thoughts Nedra - I probably am leaning that way. The leaves
are going to be a problem in any case. My little pond is already in the
fartherst location so a new pond would still get plenty of leaves blowing
in. Depth I'm not sure of depth. I know everyone sez bigger is better but
I do like the economies of smaller pumps, filters, water changes, meds etc.
Probably will just have to investigate. May be like that around the country
but around here you pretty much expect to run into rock below about 2 feet -
5 would probably be quite an accomplishment unless a couple of them were
above ground. In fact we just had our pond tour this week end and I dont
think I saw a pond over about 3 1/2-4 ft. Well the creative process has
started anyway.
Thanxx
Bill

"Nedra" wrote in message
link.net...

Bill ... I do hope you get your Birthday pond liner!!

I just wouldn't take a chance on tree roots Not puncturing the liner. I
have a small
spirea that punctured my liner several years ago. The pond had to be
emptied (all
the fish transferred to holding quarters, etc.) and patched. A big
headache all 'round.
Moreover, the leaves are a big minus in putting the pond around trees.

All

of the minuses
you can think of and then some.

I would bite the bullet and go ahead and install the pond in full sun.

You

can always
buy a sun shelter and they do look very nice... or build a sun shade in

the

Japanese manner.
Don't skimp on depth. I would go 5 feet deep at least. ... that way any

koi

will be protected
from the blistering summer heat - along with the sun shade you've already
installed ;-)
Also the water lilies will thank you for installing your pond in full sun
... what else, there
must be more pluses!

Good Luck!

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Newbie Bill" wrote in message
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This may be years in the coming, but if by chance liners go on sale

around

my birthday - ya never know. The only place we really have, short of
totally full sun is under the canopy of several Live Oaks and Pin Oak.
1) Anyone know rules of thumb about how far away from the base you

would

have to be to not disturb the 'tap roots?'.
2) What concerns are there about any trees, shrubs etc puncturing the

liner.

3) This exposure would pretty much just be diffused light. Aside from
leaves and slow/limited plant growth any other negatives I'm not

thinking

about?
Thanxx
Bill Brister - Austin, Texas (8b)

Just remembered I did see one 5 foot deep pond. Wow. Dell techie just
finishing it up. Probably spent a year of my take home pay on it, but how
nice. 14,000 gallons. Looked like a swimming pool, with a top kiddie pool
as his bog. Sprayed on gator guard liner. Two bottom drains and a skimmer.
Each of the bottom drains feeding these giant vortex filters, the skimmer on
a big bead filter. But as mentioned he did have some serious excavation to
do to get the rock out. Funny, seeing that expensive set up made me even
more resolved to eventually have a bigger pond, though much smaller than
his. One I could afford to build and operate. I'm sure when that day comes
I will enjoy it as much or more as him. Heck my little 800 gallon pond is
heaven. Anything more would be bliss.
Bill Blisster (?) - Austin, Texas

Just remembered I did see one 5 foot deep pond. Wow. Dell techie just
finishing it up. Probably spent a year of my take home pay on it, but how
nice. 14,000 gallons. Looked like a swimming pool, with a top kiddie pool
as his bog. Sprayed on gator guard liner. Two bottom drains and a skimmer.
Each of the bottom drains feeding these giant vortex filters, the skimmer on
a big bead filter. But as mentioned he did have some serious excavation to
do to get the rock out. Funny, seeing that expensive set up made me even
more resolved to eventually have a bigger pond, though much smaller than
his. One I could afford to build and operate. I'm sure when that day comes
I will enjoy it as much or more as him. Heck my little 800 gallon pond is
heaven. Anything more would be bliss.
Bill Blisster (?) - Austin, Texas

"Nedra" wrote in message
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Bill ... I do hope you get your Birthday pond liner!!
snip
I would bite the bullet and go ahead and install the pond in full sun.
snip

My two cents...

My neighbors pond gets almost full sun. He has a mechanical filter and a VF.
My pond has only a VF, and get partial shade. His is pea green. Mine is gin
clear to four feet.

BV.

"Nedra" wrote in message
link.net...
Bill ... I do hope you get your Birthday pond liner!!
snip
I would bite the bullet and go ahead and install the pond in full sun.
snip

My two cents...

My neighbors pond gets almost full sun. He has a mechanical filter and a VF.
My pond has only a VF, and get partial shade. His is pea green. Mine is gin
clear to four feet.

BV.

The well traveled "your neighbor" rises yet again heh.
Unfortunately I dont have much of a choice. Because of the way my trees and
house are sitting, a new pond will either be in shade under the trees or sun
not under. If we really trimmed the lower limbs back (not desired) we could
manage to have after - noon sun under the trees. Actually my current pond
get sun after about 10am and it is pretty clear, but certainly not gin
clear.
Thanxx
Bill

The well traveled "your neighbor" rises yet again heh.
Unfortunately I dont have much of a choice. Because of the way my trees and
house are sitting, a new pond will either be in shade under the trees or sun
not under. If we really trimmed the lower limbs back (not desired) we could
manage to have after - noon sun under the trees. Actually my current pond
get sun after about 10am and it is pretty clear, but certainly not gin
clear.
Thanxx
Bill

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:22:34 -0400, "Benign Vanilla"
wrote:


"Nedra" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Bill ... I do hope you get your Birthday pond liner!!
snip
I would bite the bullet and go ahead and install the pond in full sun.
snip

My two cents...

My neighbors pond gets almost full sun. He has a mechanical filter and a VF.
My pond has only a VF, and get partial shade. His is pea green. Mine is gin
clear to four feet.

BV.


Mine is full sun, pressurised filter, crystal clear.

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody. I should have been more specific..."

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:22:34 -0400, "Benign Vanilla"
wrote:


"Nedra" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Bill ... I do hope you get your Birthday pond liner!!
snip
I would bite the bullet and go ahead and install the pond in full sun.
snip

My two cents...

My neighbors pond gets almost full sun. He has a mechanical filter and a VF.
My pond has only a VF, and get partial shade. His is pea green. Mine is gin
clear to four feet.

BV.


Mine is full sun, pressurised filter, crystal clear.

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody. I should have been more specific..."

Mine is full sun, pressurised filter, crystal clear.

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.


Mike Patterson

They must be starving!