Trees and ponds

Mine is full sun, pressurised filter, crystal clear.

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.


Mike Patterson

They must be starving!

" George" wrote in message
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The leading edge of my pond is located at the edge of the canopy of a
large pin
oak. I made sure to clip any roots along the excavation wall, and used a
thick
tarp to line the wall before installing the pond liner, to make sure that
it
didn't get punchered by any roots I missed. The pond has been inground
for two
years now with no problems, and the pin oak provides plenty of shade for
at more
than half of the day. The only problem is with leaves in the fall. But
at that
time, I use a net over the pond to keep the leaves out.

Shareholders pond has the same proximity. When we dug, we didn't find one
root from that tree.

BV.

" George" wrote in message
...
snip
The leading edge of my pond is located at the edge of the canopy of a
large pin
oak. I made sure to clip any roots along the excavation wall, and used a
thick
tarp to line the wall before installing the pond liner, to make sure that
it
didn't get punchered by any roots I missed. The pond has been inground
for two
years now with no problems, and the pin oak provides plenty of shade for
at more
than half of the day. The only problem is with leaves in the fall. But
at that
time, I use a net over the pond to keep the leaves out.

Shareholders pond has the same proximity. When we dug, we didn't find one
root from that tree.

BV.

Hi Bill:

FWIW I have two ponds. The sides of both ponds are within 2 - 3' of some
major trees. Maple, white oak, ash. However our liner is not the thin,
expensive purchased kind. I use Firestone roofing membrane that is used.
IE it came off the roof when the plant was re-roofing. The stuff is so
thick that if I stand on a garden spade and jump up and down I can't
puncture it. In two years we have not had a root puncture the liner. I
expect it would just make a 90 degree turn as this stuff is so thick. The
best part is it was free. I power washed it well before installing and have
never had a fish or plant problem.

If you cal around the roofers in your area you may get lucky and get some
from them. It saves them from having to dispose of the stuff.

Hope this helps some,
--
Heather
SW Ontario (Zone 5)
Pond Pictures at: http://community.webshots.com/user/heathersmyth











"Newbie Bill" wrote in message
om...
This may be years in the coming, but if by chance liners go on sale around
my birthday - ya never know. The only place we really have, short of
totally full sun is under the canopy of several Live Oaks and Pin Oak.
1) Anyone know rules of thumb about how far away from the base you would
have to be to not disturb the 'tap roots?'.
2) What concerns are there about any trees, shrubs etc puncturing the
liner.
3) This exposure would pretty much just be diffused light. Aside from
leaves and slow/limited plant growth any other negatives I'm not thinking
about?
Thanxx
Bill Brister - Austin, Texas (8b)

Hi Bill:

FWIW I have two ponds. The sides of both ponds are within 2 - 3' of some
major trees. Maple, white oak, ash. However our liner is not the thin,
expensive purchased kind. I use Firestone roofing membrane that is used.
IE it came off the roof when the plant was re-roofing. The stuff is so
thick that if I stand on a garden spade and jump up and down I can't
puncture it. In two years we have not had a root puncture the liner. I
expect it would just make a 90 degree turn as this stuff is so thick. The
best part is it was free. I power washed it well before installing and have
never had a fish or plant problem.

If you cal around the roofers in your area you may get lucky and get some
from them. It saves them from having to dispose of the stuff.

Hope this helps some,
--
Heather
SW Ontario (Zone 5)
Pond Pictures at: http://community.webshots.com/user/heathersmyth











"Newbie Bill" wrote in message
om...
This may be years in the coming, but if by chance liners go on sale around
my birthday - ya never know. The only place we really have, short of
totally full sun is under the canopy of several Live Oaks and Pin Oak.
1) Anyone know rules of thumb about how far away from the base you would
have to be to not disturb the 'tap roots?'.
2) What concerns are there about any trees, shrubs etc puncturing the
liner.
3) This exposure would pretty much just be diffused light. Aside from
leaves and slow/limited plant growth any other negatives I'm not thinking
about?
Thanxx
Bill Brister - Austin, Texas (8b)

(HA HA Budys Here) wrote:

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.

They must be starving!

They don't starve, they just grow to meet their food supply. If fed,
like people they never stop growing. If left to natural food sources,
the stop growing when the are starting to overeat the area. That is the
reason that Koi and Goldfish have such a wide variation in mature size.

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(HA HA Budys Here) wrote:

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.

They must be starving!

They don't starve, they just grow to meet their food supply. If fed,
like people they never stop growing. If left to natural food sources,
the stop growing when the are starting to overeat the area. That is the
reason that Koi and Goldfish have such a wide variation in mature size.

--
Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to
http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman

On 23 Jul 2004 03:32:39 GMT, (HA HA Budys Here)
wrote:

Mine is full sun, pressurised filter, crystal clear.

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.


Mike Patterson

They must be starving!

Nah, they have a large menu and they're fat & lively.

They eat algae, parrot's feather, hornwort, roots of water hyacinth,
water lettuce, watercress, pineapple mint, and stray roots of the
lilies and pickerels.

For protein there's mosquito larvae, frog & toad eggs, unfortunate
clumsy insects, tadpoles, and baby fish.

I feed 'em a handful of fish food about once a week just on the off
chance that some vitamin or other is locally deficient and to help
keem 'em relatively tame.

That being said, it's also true that when I have to wade in to
move/divide plants, there is a young one I call "killer" because he
comes straight over to me and nibbles on my legs the whole time I'm in
the water. I try to wave him away, but he is fearless and determined
to eat me alive. :-)


Mike Patterson
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"I always wanted to be somebody. I should have been more specific..."

On 23 Jul 2004 03:32:39 GMT, (HA HA Budys Here)
wrote:

Mine is full sun, pressurised filter, crystal clear.

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.


Mike Patterson

They must be starving!

Nah, they have a large menu and they're fat & lively.

They eat algae, parrot's feather, hornwort, roots of water hyacinth,
water lettuce, watercress, pineapple mint, and stray roots of the
lilies and pickerels.

For protein there's mosquito larvae, frog & toad eggs, unfortunate
clumsy insects, tadpoles, and baby fish.

I feed 'em a handful of fish food about once a week just on the off
chance that some vitamin or other is locally deficient and to help
keem 'em relatively tame.

That being said, it's also true that when I have to wade in to
move/divide plants, there is a young one I call "killer" because he
comes straight over to me and nibbles on my legs the whole time I'm in
the water. I try to wave him away, but he is fearless and determined
to eat me alive. :-)


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody. I should have been more specific..."

"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...

" George" wrote in message
...
snip
The leading edge of my pond is located at the edge of the canopy of a
large pin
oak. I made sure to clip any roots along the excavation wall, and used a
thick
tarp to line the wall before installing the pond liner, to make sure that
it
didn't get punchered by any roots I missed. The pond has been inground
for two
years now with no problems, and the pin oak provides plenty of shade for
at more
than half of the day. The only problem is with leaves in the fall. But
at that
time, I use a net over the pond to keep the leaves out.

Shareholders pond has the same proximity. When we dug, we didn't find one
root from that tree.

BV.


What kind of tree was it?