a challenge for the rec.ponds experts

"Ka30P" wrote in message
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She found a white EPDM liner at an auction and would like to
use it in a koi pond. That's right white!
Now the idea is that the koi will show up loverly against the white and
our
challenge that I put before you is how to do that.
Now I'm thinking....
a bottom drain and skimmer, of course, and a nice long handled soft brush
and a
commitment to maintenance.
But for the stuff that doesn't go through the bottom drain and caught in
the
skimmer and we want to keep this water crystal clear what do you all
suggest as
far as filtering, really polishing the water?


Hi,
http://www.mobilroof.com/faquv.html suggests that there are other problems
and they concern exposure to the sun. Some of the carbon (which gives EPDM
its UV protection) is removed in order to add titanium oxide.
Others have said that keeping it white would be a problem and I agree,
brushing would be the only way I see to accomplish this. Gin clear water is
much easier to accomplish. My opinions, since this pond will require
daily/hourly brushing you might as well have a DE filter as the finish
filter. First would be, of course, a large settle tank from the sump of the
pond which will be opposite where the water re-enters the pond, this would
be covered from the sun . Second would be an aerated "pot scrubbie" basin.
Third a veggie filter which flows to a smaller sump and then is pumped to
the DE and back to the pond. In this setup clean water is pumped to the
pond, no dirty water is pumped at all. And while they are out there brushing
they can net the bottom for the big stuff using a pool net, the kind with
the 'fin' on them.
HTH -_- how
no NEWS is good

IMHO, I think I'd tell her to go look at a platinum butterfly koi, and say,
you really want to hide that?

So many koi have white in them, but may not be the white white of the liner
(assuming one could keep it white white) so one either looks dirty white
compared to the other. Now with all orange fish, probably better, but than
you do have the baskets to hide. As far as a filter, I think one would need
a pre-filter, mechanical filter, bio filter and a pressurized system to
polish, be it beads, sand, or DE, and let's not forget the UV. And she
better be very willing to test the water and keep an eye on pH, KH, and the
nitrates... without algae to help out with that last one. ~jan



On 24 Jul 2004 15:22:40 GMT, EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote:


Okay people, I've got a challenge for you!

I've been noodling around the web looking for information
about various pest deterrents and I found an interesting post.
So I emailed this nice person and we've been exchanging emails.

She found a white EPDM liner at an auction and would like to
use it in a koi pond. That's right white!

Now the idea is that the koi will show up loverly against the white and our
challenge that I put before you is how to do that.

Now I'm thinking....
a bottom drain and skimmer, of course, and a nice long handled soft brush and a
commitment to maintenance.

But for the stuff that doesn't go through the bottom drain and caught in the
skimmer and we want to keep this water crystal clear what do you all suggest as
far as filtering, really polishing the water?

Have at it!


kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

(Do you know where your water quality is?)

IMHO, I think I'd tell her to go look at a platinum butterfly koi, and say,
you really want to hide that?

So many koi have white in them, but may not be the white white of the liner
(assuming one could keep it white white) so one either looks dirty white
compared to the other. Now with all orange fish, probably better, but than
you do have the baskets to hide. As far as a filter, I think one would need
a pre-filter, mechanical filter, bio filter and a pressurized system to
polish, be it beads, sand, or DE, and let's not forget the UV. And she
better be very willing to test the water and keep an eye on pH, KH, and the
nitrates... without algae to help out with that last one. ~jan



On 24 Jul 2004 15:22:40 GMT, EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote:


Okay people, I've got a challenge for you!

I've been noodling around the web looking for information
about various pest deterrents and I found an interesting post.
So I emailed this nice person and we've been exchanging emails.

She found a white EPDM liner at an auction and would like to
use it in a koi pond. That's right white!

Now the idea is that the koi will show up loverly against the white and our
challenge that I put before you is how to do that.

Now I'm thinking....
a bottom drain and skimmer, of course, and a nice long handled soft brush and a
commitment to maintenance.

But for the stuff that doesn't go through the bottom drain and caught in the
skimmer and we want to keep this water crystal clear what do you all suggest as
far as filtering, really polishing the water?

Have at it!


kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

(Do you know where your water quality is?)

Chlorine:-)

Chlorine:-)

"Ka30P" wrote in message
...

Okay people, I've got a challenge for you!

I've been noodling around the web looking for information
about various pest deterrents and I found an interesting post.
So I emailed this nice person and we've been exchanging emails.

She found a white EPDM liner at an auction and would like to
use it in a koi pond. That's right white!

Now the idea is that the koi will show up loverly against the white and
our
challenge that I put before you is how to do that.

Now I'm thinking....
a bottom drain and skimmer, of course, and a nice long handled soft brush
and a
commitment to maintenance.

But for the stuff that doesn't go through the bottom drain and caught in
the
skimmer and we want to keep this water crystal clear what do you all
suggest as
far as filtering, really polishing the water?

Have at it!


kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

Bio/mechanical filter DE filter carbon filter veggie filter and a
couple of Ple*cos. Careful with the carbon filter, though, as I'm sure you
know, as most need to be introduced gradually, maybe one hour the first day,
3 hours the 2nd day, 6 hours the 3rd day... Some people say that Ple*cos
will attach to the sides of the other fish. I've seen this happen once in
an aquarium, possibily because the Ple*co had nothing to eat? So.... I
don't introduce the Ple*cos until the algae starts growing on the sides of
the pond.

"Ka30P" wrote in message
...

Okay people, I've got a challenge for you!

I've been noodling around the web looking for information
about various pest deterrents and I found an interesting post.
So I emailed this nice person and we've been exchanging emails.

She found a white EPDM liner at an auction and would like to
use it in a koi pond. That's right white!

Now the idea is that the koi will show up loverly against the white and
our
challenge that I put before you is how to do that.

Now I'm thinking....
a bottom drain and skimmer, of course, and a nice long handled soft brush
and a
commitment to maintenance.

But for the stuff that doesn't go through the bottom drain and caught in
the
skimmer and we want to keep this water crystal clear what do you all
suggest as
far as filtering, really polishing the water?

Have at it!


kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

Bio/mechanical filter DE filter carbon filter veggie filter and a
couple of Ple*cos. Careful with the carbon filter, though, as I'm sure you
know, as most need to be introduced gradually, maybe one hour the first day,
3 hours the 2nd day, 6 hours the 3rd day... Some people say that Ple*cos
will attach to the sides of the other fish. I've seen this happen once in
an aquarium, possibily because the Ple*co had nothing to eat? So.... I
don't introduce the Ple*cos until the algae starts growing on the sides of
the pond.

"volts500" wrote in message
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"Ka30P" wrote in message
...

Okay people, I've got a challenge for you!
snip

Bio/mechanical filter DE filter carbon filter veggie filter and a
couple of Ple*cos. Careful with the carbon filter, though, as I'm sure you
know, as most need to be introduced gradually, maybe one hour the first
day,
3 hours the 2nd day, 6 hours the 3rd day... Some people say that Ple*cos
will attach to the sides of the other fish. I've seen this happen once in
an aquarium, possibily because the Ple*co had nothing to eat? So.... I
don't introduce the Ple*cos until the algae starts growing on the sides of
the pond.

Hi,
Forget the plecostomus (me superstitious? no) they will not keep the sides
clean. They will eat the food you feed the other fish. They will die when
the water is 55/50 degrees F and are very hard to catch to bring in for the
winter. Personally have never seen one sucking on another fish but others
have observed this. IMO they are useless in a pond, not the least bit cute
and hard to handle. LFS that sell them as 'a must' for ponds are to be
avoided.
Any citations on gradual introduction of carbon filtration? Most ponders
would not like the expense of keeping enough activated carbon in their
ponds.
L8R -_- how
no NEWS is good

"volts500" wrote in message
. ..

"Ka30P" wrote in message
...

Okay people, I've got a challenge for you!
snip

Bio/mechanical filter DE filter carbon filter veggie filter and a
couple of Ple*cos. Careful with the carbon filter, though, as I'm sure you
know, as most need to be introduced gradually, maybe one hour the first
day,
3 hours the 2nd day, 6 hours the 3rd day... Some people say that Ple*cos
will attach to the sides of the other fish. I've seen this happen once in
an aquarium, possibily because the Ple*co had nothing to eat? So.... I
don't introduce the Ple*cos until the algae starts growing on the sides of
the pond.

Hi,
Forget the plecostomus (me superstitious? no) they will not keep the sides
clean. They will eat the food you feed the other fish. They will die when
the water is 55/50 degrees F and are very hard to catch to bring in for the
winter. Personally have never seen one sucking on another fish but others
have observed this. IMO they are useless in a pond, not the least bit cute
and hard to handle. LFS that sell them as 'a must' for ponds are to be
avoided.
Any citations on gradual introduction of carbon filtration? Most ponders
would not like the expense of keeping enough activated carbon in their
ponds.
L8R -_- how
no NEWS is good

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
snips
As far as a filter, I think one would need
a pre-filter, mechanical filter, bio filter and a pressurized system to
polish, be it beads, sand, or DE, and let's not forget the UV. And she
better be very willing to test the water and keep an eye on pH, KH, and
the
nitrates... without algae to help out with that last one. ~jan

Hi,
Of course I would not do it like you would ;-) but do want to emphasize the
point you made about algae. I've heard/read/made up, that about 30% of bio
filtration happens right in the pond. The algae that will need to be brushed
off to maintain this white setup will need to be compensated for with a
larger filter no matter what type is used and closer monitoring of
parameters. UV or not UV - not!
L8R -_- how
no NEWS is good