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"Karen" wrote in message
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In article , Go Fig
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$4.50 is real cheap, but if you get 8 flowers all season, thats a high
cost per flower.
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I bot one of those $4.50 lillies and it has been putting up flower after
flower
from about the 3rd week I put it in the pond.

Karen
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I can't see how anyone can claim a healthy hardy lily, in the sun, potted in
good clay soil and well fertilized would only produce 8 blooms per season.
That's absurd. My Wally-World cheapos have been blooming since shortly
after I potted them up. The best bloomer is that orangy, yellowish, pinkish
mini. What a little beauty. Had I know these were mini's I would have
bought several more for my water barrels. I know I saved the packages they
came in but cannot find them. :-(
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"Go Fig" wrote in message
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In article , Karen
wrote:

In article , Go Fig
writes:

$4.50 is real cheap, but if you get 8 flowers all season, thats a high
cost per flower.

I bot one of those $4.50 lillies and it has been putting up flower after
flower
from about the 3rd week I put it in the pond.

Don't you think that is kinda rare for a hardy lily in its first year ?

jay
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That depends on the SIZE of the cutting in the package. These were a nice
size! :-) *Small* cutting/separations I make myself usually do not bloom
well, or only have a few blooms in late summer their first year. Some have
surprised us and bloomed well after a few weeks of independent life in the
pond. Even small cutting of this Yellow variety bloom well their first
year.
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In article , ~ Windsong ~
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"Go Fig" wrote in message
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In article , Karen
wrote:

In article , Go Fig
writes:

$4.50 is real cheap, but if you get 8 flowers all season, thats a high
cost per flower.

I bot one of those $4.50 lillies and it has been putting up flower after
flower
from about the 3rd week I put it in the pond.

Don't you think that is kinda rare for a hardy lily in its first year ?

jay
===========================
That depends on the SIZE of the cutting in the package. These were a nice
size! :-) *Small* cutting/separations I make myself usually do not bloom
well, or only have a few blooms in late summer their first year. Some have
surprised us


Yes, like I said... it is rare to get good production of blooms from
Hardy lilies in the first year.


and bloomed well after a few weeks of independent life in the
pond. Even small cutting of this Yellow variety bloom well their first
year.

There must be only like 15+ yellow hardy lilies.

Do you buy your trees and shrubs the same way... a 'yellow one'. It
makes it hard to discuss the subject with any specificity... you don't
talk about pumps in the same generic terms do you ?

jay
Tue Aug 10, 2004

Jay
Some lillies are very prolific others and not quite so busy. Charlene Strawn
blooms continously, but it's a simple flower, while my Gonnere Snowball is a
more complex bloom and doesn't bloom as regularly as Charlene, but it gives me
2 or 3 flowers a week.

And as Carol said, cutting size makes a difference in how long it takes to
bloom. This spring I took 11 cuttings off a lily I bot last fall that needed
repotting then. The larger cuttings have already bloomed, while the smaller
ones have put up many pads, but no blooms yet this year, next year they'll be
ready.

Karen
Zone 5
Ashland, OH
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In article , ~ Windsong ~
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"Go Fig" wrote in message
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In article , ~ Windsong ~
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"Go Fig" wrote in message
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When I buy a citrus tree, I shop for the exact species, the same for
gardenias, azaleas and the same goes for lilies for me.

$4.50 is real cheap, but if you get 8 flowers all season, thats a high
cost per flower.

$$ If I got only 8 flowers per season I would blame myself - not the
lily.
They bloom like crazy if they're in the sun and fertilized regularly.

Which lily ?

## What do you mean which lily? They all bloom all summer, as long as
they're in a very sunny place.

The species ?


$$ Your climate may be too HOT for hardy lilies. Some people,
including
myself, have no interest in tropicals that need constant replacement.

Why would Tropicals need to be replaced constantly ?

## Because in zone 6 they DIE! Not everyone lives in a tropical or
semi-tropical area.

I know people that keep them in their basement in NH.


I can grow hardy lilies with no problem.

## But you claim they don't bloom for you.

No I didn't!! I said they don't compare to tropicals. I have shown
pictures to the group of Hardy lilies... with the exact name too. I
further have suggested specific species of hardy lilies to grow to the
group.

Setting aside the mottled leaf that tropicals can have, the ease of
care and often viviparous reproduction... you get many more flowers
from tropicals and at the end of the season.


My
hardies last for years if divided every year.

And if you don't spend this time, you will get little to no flowers.

## That depends on the lily. Some need repotting every 2 years.

I guess a hardy could be repotted every two years... if you plant it
originally in a foot locker.


Many even grow out of their pots during the growing season, and once
that happens... bloom production falls off fast.

## I only had this happen with the large yellow lilies. Most need
repotting once a year - in spring.

But it happens a lot for the average ponder.


I still have the original
yellows (they all had names which I have long since forgotten) which
blooms
from mid spring to frost. :-)

Could be Joey Tomocik


I doubt there is a profession reference that would conclude hardy
lilies are better bloomers than tropicals, in fact, they all say just
the opposite.

## I didn't say hardies are BETTER bloomers than tropical. I said many
people don't want the expense of replacing tropicals every spring. I know I
don't, and they don't survive here in TN over the winter.

That works for you, but not for all. I buy from a HUGE Aquatic
Nursery... it is just as easy and even cheaper for me to pick up a
Hardy vs. a Tropical... but that would not generally be good financial
reasoning.

In April I bought 4 of Carla's Sunshine and Innocence, the most
expensive lilies on the market. They are viviparous, I have more than
20 plants now flowering profusely... not a bad return on investment...
impossible with a hardy, I doubt I will ever but these again.

I'll post a pic of what I mean later.

jay
Tue Aug 10, 2004

Jay wrote They are viviparous

I have my first tropical this year (jan knows which one - it's purple!).
It grew a baby lily on a pad and then it popped off and there it is, floating
around, an itty bitty lily! Many of the other pads are developing the same
babies. A new fun twist for a ponder who thought she'd been *all* the way
around the block




kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

In article , Karen
wrote:

Jay
Some lillies are very prolific others and not quite so busy. Charlene Strawn
blooms continously, but it's a simple flower, while my Gonnere Snowball is a
more complex bloom and doesn't bloom as regularly as Charlene, but it gives me
2 or 3 flowers a week.

I have recommend this specific lily here... it is a good bloomer for a
hardy. But if you put this next to Crystal or Innocence it will be
like the Gonnere wasn't even there. Additionally, both of these
Tropicals will stay open longer during each day and have longer
flowering season.


And as Carol said, cutting size makes a difference in how long it takes to
bloom. This spring I took 11 cuttings off a lily I bot last fall that needed
repotting then. The larger cuttings have already bloomed,

And this is the 8 blooms I referred to, an entire year and maybe 8
blooms... that's if you get a good cutting... not likely at Walmart or
most net suppliers.

So for $5 you get a 'lily' with good chance that it is rotten and if
not, you'll get few if any flowers the 1st year and by next year you'll
be trying to keep it in its container....

jay
Tue Aug 10, 2004




while the smaller
ones have put up many pads, but no blooms yet this year, next year they'll be
ready.

Karen
Zone 5
Ashland, OH
http://hometown.aol.com/kmam1/MyPond/MyPond.html
My Art Studio at
http://members.aol.com/kmmstudios/K....M.Studios.html
for email remove the extra extention

In article , Ka30P
wrote:

Jay wrote They are viviparous

I have my first tropical this year (jan knows which one - it's purple!).
It grew a baby lily on a pad and then it popped off and there it is, floating
around, an itty bitty lily! Many of the other pads are developing the same
babies. A new fun twist for a ponder who thought she'd been *all* the way
around the block

I still have trouble throwing these autonomous living creatures on the
compost pile... but there is only so much space.

I have a friend who is positioning his retirement to grow lilies for
sale, I would like to do that too... I'm with Monet and lilies.

jay
Tue Aug 10, 2004






kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

Ka30P wrote:

Jay wrote They are viviparous

I have my first tropical this year (jan knows which one - it's purple!).

K30 got Panama Pacific, I got Pamela (blue) and Trudy Slocum (white). Ever
since Pamela started blooming, it has been a rare day that there isn't a
bloom (or 2) open. One thing not mentioned is the fragrance they give off,
wonderful, granted you have to get your nose pretty close (at least in a
hot dry climate) but still wonderful. I'm Zone 7 and put in my Lilypond
specifically for tropical lilies, almost mid-August and I've patiently
waited for Red Flare and this new one Trudy to finally get buds up to the
surface, but I know in the end the wait will be worth it.

I keep my T.Lilies inside in a small heated pond over winter, but I'm going
to experiment with a baby T.lily I took off the red flare and is growing
well in the pond. Supposedly one person in our club took theirs out last
winter and put them in garbage bags (still potted) and stored them in the
garage. Come spring he put them out and they prospered. I need to get the
full story from him, but I plan to try his way with that extra red flare.
The only downside with tropicals is they need to be fed almost as much as a
lotus. As far as price, this is the place we ordered from:
http://gardenponds.com/tropicallilies01.htm all T.lilies $14. Going
together (3 friends) kept the shipping down and our lilies cost us less
than $20/each. ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

"Go Fig" wrote in message
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In article , ~ Windsong ~
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"Go Fig" wrote in message
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In article , ~ Windsong ~
wrote:

"Go Fig" wrote in message
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When I buy a citrus tree, I shop for the exact species, the same
for
gardenias, azaleas and the same goes for lilies for me.

$4.50 is real cheap, but if you get 8 flowers all season, thats a
high
cost per flower.

$$ If I got only 8 flowers per season I would blame myself - not
the
lily.
They bloom like crazy if they're in the sun and fertilized
regularly.

Which lily ?

## What do you mean which lily? They all bloom all summer, as long as
they're in a very sunny place.

The species ?

$$ What species? All the box gives is the name of water lily. Why would
anyone care about species unless they were going to start hybridizing or
breeding them.

$$ Your climate may be too HOT for hardy lilies. Some people,
including
myself, have no interest in tropicals that need constant
replacement.

Why would Tropicals need to be replaced constantly ?

## Because in zone 6 they DIE! Not everyone lives in a tropical or
semi-tropical area.

I know people that keep them in their basement in NH.

$$ I'm sure the lily loved the cold dark basement. :-) I leave my
hardies right were they are year round. I don't have a basement. I have a
crawl space under my house. Many houses don't even have that. They're on
slabs.

I can grow hardy lilies with no problem.

## But you claim they don't bloom for you.

No I didn't!! I said they don't compare to tropicals. I have shown
pictures to the group of Hardy lilies... with the exact name too. I
further have suggested specific species of hardy lilies to grow to the
group.

$$ Then what are you trying to say? If you're just pushing tropicals ok, if
not, then what?

Setting aside the mottled leaf that tropicals can have, the ease of
care and often viviparous reproduction... you get many more flowers
from tropicals and at the end of the season.

$$ And then what? You have to have a heated, well lit basement full of tubs
or tanks to winter them over.....

My
hardies last for years if divided every year.

And if you don't spend this time, you will get little to no flowers.

## That depends on the lily. Some need repotting every 2 years.

I guess a hardy could be repotted every two years... if you plant it
originally in a foot locker.

$$ Or use roomy pots to start with. Sure seems like less work then going
the "basement" routine with tropicals. And not everyone has a basement.

Many even grow out of their pots during the growing season, and once
that happens... bloom production falls off fast.

## I only had this happen with the large yellow lilies. Most need
repotting once a year - in spring.

But it happens a lot for the average ponder.

$$ So? Is it any more work repotting a hardy every spring then going the
"basement" routine with tropicals? Even if I had a basement I can't imagine
it full of water tanks and full spectrum lights. Seems like a lot more work
and expense than repotting the hardies once a year. I'm sure the tropicals
like a yearly repotting and some fertilizer Tabs as well.

I still have the original
yellows (they all had names which I have long since forgotten) which
blooms
from mid spring to frost. :-)

Could be Joey Tomocik

$$ No, that's not the name.

I doubt there is a profession reference that would conclude hardy
lilies are better bloomers than tropicals, in fact, they all say just
the opposite.

## I didn't say hardies are BETTER bloomers than tropical. I said many
people don't want the expense of replacing tropicals every spring. I
know I
don't, and they don't survive here in TN over the winter.

That works for you, but not for all. I buy from a HUGE Aquatic
Nursery... it is just as easy and even cheaper for me to pick up a
Hardy vs. a Tropical... but that would not generally be good financial
reasoning.

$$ If they live over for you then they're worth buying once.

In April I bought 4 of Carla's Sunshine and Innocence, the most
expensive lilies on the market. They are viviparous, I have more than
20 plants now flowering profusely... not a bad return on investment...
impossible with a hardy, I doubt I will ever but these again.

$$ As I said, if they live over for you, then they're worth the investment.
They don't live over in the northern part of the country and so aren't a
good investment for us in the lower zones.

I'll post a pic of what I mean later.
--
Carol....
"Two can live as cheaply as one, for half as long."
~~~~~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
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