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Old January 4th 05, 05:16 PM
Mislav
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Default maintaining sand bed

Hi,

I'm wondering how is everyone here maintaing the sand. I have problem with
it, it constantly gets algae growth over it. First diatoms, then cyano. I
have very fine aragonite based sand.
Is anyone sifoning the debris from sand or shifting it and how often? Any
other methods?

tnx


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Old January 5th 05, 04:45 AM
Marc Levenson
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As your tank matures, this tends to occur far less. How old
is your tank?

More current, nutrient free water, heavy skimming, good
lighting with un-aged bulbs all help reduce this problem.

Adding critters that move through the sand helps too, such
as pods, nassarius snails, a tigertail cucumber, and
fighting conchs.

Marc


Mislav wrote:

Hi,

I'm wondering how is everyone here maintaing the sand. I have problem with
it, it constantly gets algae growth over it. First diatoms, then cyano. I
have very fine aragonite based sand.
Is anyone sifoning the debris from sand or shifting it and how often? Any
other methods?

tnx



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Old January 5th 05, 10:20 PM
CapFusion
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"Mislav" wrote in message ...
Hi,

I'm wondering how is everyone here maintaing the sand. I have problem with
it, it constantly gets algae growth over it. First diatoms, then cyano. I
have very fine aragonite based sand.
Is anyone sifoning the debris from sand or shifting it and how often? Any
other methods?

tnx


As Marc stated....
Your sand will stay as your tank mature. The sand will get slimed and will
be weight down [eventually].

CapFusion,...


  #4  
Old January 7th 05, 10:22 AM
Mislav
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My tank is 3 years old. It is 150 g with DIY downdraft skimmer with iwaki 50
rlt.
I constanly get diatoms and cyano all over it. I can hand shift the sand but
cyano is in one day back.
On the live rock I don't have any nuissance algae, only coraline. Corals are
growing, mainly softies and lps but also two sps corals

Mislav


"CapFusion" wrote in message
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"Mislav" wrote in message ...
Hi,

I'm wondering how is everyone here maintaing the sand. I have problem
with it, it constantly gets algae growth over it. First diatoms, then
cyano. I have very fine aragonite based sand.
Is anyone sifoning the debris from sand or shifting it and how often? Any
other methods?

tnx


As Marc stated....
Your sand will stay as your tank mature. The sand will get slimed and will
be weight down [eventually].

CapFusion,...



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Old January 7th 05, 10:47 AM
Rich R
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I dont Run sand, Glass bottom is the way I set up, But from what Im seeing
here almost every one does.
and in the tanks that its set up correct , it looks great.
Is the sand bed your talking about deep enough? If not it will kill you in
the long run!


--
www.reeftanksonline.com
www.nydiver.com



"Mislav" wrote in message ...
My tank is 3 years old. It is 150 g with DIY downdraft skimmer with iwaki
50 rlt.
I constanly get diatoms and cyano all over it. I can hand shift the sand
but cyano is in one day back.
On the live rock I don't have any nuissance algae, only coraline. Corals
are growing, mainly softies and lps but also two sps corals

Mislav


"CapFusion" wrote in message
news

"Mislav" wrote in message ...
Hi,

I'm wondering how is everyone here maintaing the sand. I have problem
with it, it constantly gets algae growth over it. First diatoms, then
cyano. I have very fine aragonite based sand.
Is anyone sifoning the debris from sand or shifting it and how often?
Any other methods?

tnx


As Marc stated....
Your sand will stay as your tank mature. The sand will get slimed and
will be weight down [eventually].

CapFusion,...







  #6  
Old January 7th 05, 10:04 PM
Jon
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I had the same problem. I added a fuge and switched to RO which helped out
a lot. I still get a little brown algae on the sand, but not as much as
before.


"Mislav" wrote in message ...
Hi,

I'm wondering how is everyone here maintaing the sand. I have problem with
it, it constantly gets algae growth over it. First diatoms, then cyano. I
have very fine aragonite based sand.
Is anyone sifoning the debris from sand or shifting it and how often? Any
other methods?

tnx



  #7  
Old January 7th 05, 10:42 PM
CapFusion
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Be patient, your tank is just getting started. The way I combat cyano is to
have good pump / current blow just over it to pull it off and float away
and eventually goto the PS. But since your sand is just started and want
good current close, you may get a sandstorm instead. Cyano will come and
go, even in mature tank that have slow flow or deadspot. PS is the main key
to remove nutrient, lesser nutrient the harder algae [any type] could grow.

CapFusion,...


"Mislav" wrote in message ...
My tank is 3 years old. It is 150 g with DIY downdraft skimmer with iwaki
50 rlt.
I constanly get diatoms and cyano all over it. I can hand shift the sand
but cyano is in one day back.
On the live rock I don't have any nuissance algae, only coraline. Corals
are growing, mainly softies and lps but also two sps corals

Mislav


"CapFusion" wrote in message
news

"Mislav" wrote in message ...
Hi,

I'm wondering how is everyone here maintaing the sand. I have problem
with it, it constantly gets algae growth over it. First diatoms, then
cyano. I have very fine aragonite based sand.
Is anyone sifoning the debris from sand or shifting it and how often?
Any other methods?

tnx


As Marc stated....
Your sand will stay as your tank mature. The sand will get slimed and
will be weight down [eventually].

CapFusion,...





  #8  
Old January 7th 05, 10:51 PM
CapFusion
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I am not sure what you meant by your reply. Especially this comment - "If
not it will kill you in the long run!".....
What is the deep you are referring to as in regard of "Sand Bed"?

Normally a DSB start to work in three inches or more [3"in min.].
Having less then 3"inch is just about the same as having a bare bottom.

CapFusion,...

"Rich R" wrote in message
...
I dont Run sand, Glass bottom is the way I set up, But from what Im seeing
here almost every one does.
and in the tanks that its set up correct , it looks great.
Is the sand bed your talking about deep enough? If not it will kill you in
the long run!


--
www.reeftanksonline.com
www.nydiver.com



"Mislav" wrote in message ...
My tank is 3 years old. It is 150 g with DIY downdraft skimmer with iwaki
50 rlt.
I constanly get diatoms and cyano all over it. I can hand shift the sand
but cyano is in one day back.
On the live rock I don't have any nuissance algae, only coraline. Corals
are growing, mainly softies and lps but also two sps corals

Mislav


"CapFusion" wrote in message
news

"Mislav" wrote in message ...
Hi,

I'm wondering how is everyone here maintaing the sand. I have problem
with it, it constantly gets algae growth over it. First diatoms, then
cyano. I have very fine aragonite based sand.
Is anyone sifoning the debris from sand or shifting it and how often?
Any other methods?

tnx


As Marc stated....
Your sand will stay as your tank mature. The sand will get slimed and
will be weight down [eventually].

CapFusion,...









  #9  
Old January 10th 05, 10:32 AM
Mislav
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Thanx for replies.
Then noone is siphoning the sand bead?
I do have 3 inches of very fine sand. If I increase the flow it will lift
the sand from the bottom. But I see the problem both in the higher flow
parts of sand layer and lower flow parts.
Watching it from the front I can see the line between aerobic and anaerobic
layer. Anaerobic layer is at aprox. 1 inch deep.

Mislav


"Rich R" wrote in message
...
I dont Run sand, Glass bottom is the way I set up, But from what Im seeing
here almost every one does.
and in the tanks that its set up correct , it looks great.
Is the sand bed your talking about deep enough? If not it will kill you in
the long run!


--
www.reeftanksonline.com
www.nydiver.com



"Mislav" wrote in message ...
My tank is 3 years old. It is 150 g with DIY downdraft skimmer with iwaki
50 rlt.
I constanly get diatoms and cyano all over it. I can hand shift the sand
but cyano is in one day back.
On the live rock I don't have any nuissance algae, only coraline. Corals
are growing, mainly softies and lps but also two sps corals

Mislav


"CapFusion" wrote in message
news

"Mislav" wrote in message ...
Hi,

I'm wondering how is everyone here maintaing the sand. I have problem
with it, it constantly gets algae growth over it. First diatoms, then
cyano. I have very fine aragonite based sand.
Is anyone sifoning the debris from sand or shifting it and how often?
Any other methods?

tnx


As Marc stated....
Your sand will stay as your tank mature. The sand will get slimed and
will be weight down [eventually].

CapFusion,...









  #10  
Old January 11th 05, 07:51 AM
Marc Levenson
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That is correct, we don't siphon the sand. You can try to
gently get it back into the water during a water change, or
rely on livestock to turn over the sand and keep the surface
clean.

Marc


Mislav wrote:
Thanx for replies.
Then noone is siphoning the sand bead?
I do have 3 inches of very fine sand. If I increase the flow it will lift
the sand from the bottom. But I see the problem both in the higher flow
parts of sand layer and lower flow parts.
Watching it from the front I can see the line between aerobic and anaerobic
layer. Anaerobic layer is at aprox. 1 inch deep.

Mislav


"Rich R" wrote in message
...

I dont Run sand, Glass bottom is the way I set up, But from what Im seeing
here almost every one does.
and in the tanks that its set up correct , it looks great.
Is the sand bed your talking about deep enough? If not it will kill you in
the long run!


--
www.reeftanksonline.com
www.nydiver.com



"Mislav" wrote in message ...

My tank is 3 years old. It is 150 g with DIY downdraft skimmer with iwaki
50 rlt.
I constanly get diatoms and cyano all over it. I can hand shift the sand
but cyano is in one day back.
On the live rock I don't have any nuissance algae, only coraline. Corals
are growing, mainly softies and lps but also two sps corals

Mislav


"CapFusion" wrote in message
news
"Mislav" wrote in message ...

Hi,

I'm wondering how is everyone here maintaing the sand. I have problem
with it, it constantly gets algae growth over it. First diatoms, then
cyano. I have very fine aragonite based sand.
Is anyone sifoning the debris from sand or shifting it and how often?
Any other methods?

tnx


As Marc stated....
Your sand will stay as your tank mature. The sand will get slimed and
will be weight down [eventually].

CapFusion,...









--
Personal Page:
http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com

 




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