Sick fish

"Kellbot" wrote in message
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about using kiddie pools as ponds.. do you bury them? or just set them
on the ground?

## Both. The ones behind the house are above the ground. Those out front in
the ground, they're lined with a black drop-cloth and ringed with rocks from
behind the house.

I always thought one of those might make a cheap pond (since I move
every 12-24 months spending lots of cash on a nice deep pond doesn't
make much sense). But they're pretty ugly so I'd probably want to build
a little brick wall around it & fill the space with dirt or something.

## You can't even see them if they're in the ground. :-)
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"Lilly" wrote in message
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The ones that are about 18-20" deep and 6' (?) or so across make great
"ponds", if you can live with the kiddie graphics (i.e.: Little Mermaid
etc). At the end of the season, they are dirt cheap and usually less
than $20.
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Lilly, you line them with cheap black drop-cloths and don't see the
cartoons. They're $9.99 here in TN at Wal-Mart and K-Mart. I double them
for more strength. So for about $25 I have a nice 150 gallon pond. Because
of the large water surface - air interface, a small pump is all that's
needed.
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"Lilly" wrote in message
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The ones that are about 18-20" deep and 6' (?) or so across make great
"ponds", if you can live with the kiddie graphics (i.e.: Little Mermaid
etc). At the end of the season, they are dirt cheap and usually less
than $20.
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In many areas, this won't be deep enough to protect the fish from a hard
freeze.

** I have cheap aquarium heaters floating "through" cheap Styrofoam (with a
hole cut in the middle) in each pool what has GF. I only plug them in when
it drops below freezing. I've had no problems losing fish to ice.

Just keep that in mind when using one of these pools for a pond.
Also, these pools are not designed to take years and years and years of
sunlight, so they will break down and leak eventually.

** This is true, so I double them. Those in the ground, not exposed to the
sun and being supported by the earth are now 9 years old. All are lined
with black dropcloths which also protects them from the sun and hides the
silly cartoons. You can protect those above ground from the sun by pulling
the dropcloth over the sides and using earth to hold it down. You'll just
need a bigger piece, but they're cheap!
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"Katra" wrote in message
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15 gallons per fish... Wow.

What kind of circulation setup do you use in the pools, or is one
necessary in a pool with that much surface area for oxygen diffusion?

## The GF do fine in those without circulation but need more cleaning
because of the plants. But then I only have 6 to 8 per pool. And we're
talking about good size fish here. Plants themselves make "dirt" in the
water. I use cheap powerheads from Foster & Smith. I make gravel filters
with them (cheap gravel from Lowe's) in a free empty flower pot. Sometimes
I only use cheap plastic window screening. That works as well as the gravel
to trap particles. the gravel "pots" are probably better for biological
filtration. But then the plants themselves are surely covered with good
bacteria. The powerhead pumps are quite enough circulation because of the
huge air-water interface for 10 GF. I clean these pools out about once a
year in any case.
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Ah,

The fish pain debate... I suppose it's been almost a year since this one
has rolled through...

-Donald
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"One ought, every day at least, to hear a little song, read a good poem,
see a fine picture, and, if it were possible, to speak a few reasonable
words." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Charles wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:46:21 -0600, Katra
wrote:

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alternatives.

Too bad there is no "sleepy" chemical one can put in the water for fish?


There is. Clove oil. A pharmacist can get it for you if they don't
stock it. It's what a vet uses to anesthetize the fish for surgery,
an overdose kills them gently. I've used it to put down some fish, it
looks very peaceful, I almost wanted to try it myself.

Tch! No you don't!!! :-(

Thanks tho' for the hint. I hope I never have to use it, but it's nice
to know!

What is the "dosage"? I think for humans, clove oil is for toothache?
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see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

In article . com,
"Kellbot" wrote:

A search through the NG for "clove oil" should bring up more
information, but clove oil is sold as an oral anesthetic, and
overdosing your fish with it is considered a relatively humane way to
euthanize them. It's also used in small amouts to temporarily
anesthetize them to take care of wounds.

from an older post:
"The proper dose is 1 cc of eugenol (clove oil) + 9 ccs vodka to one
gallon
of water. Or for larger fish 2cc of eugenol (clove oil) to 18cc of
vodka to
2 gallons of water. Use the same ratio of 1cc eugenol/9cc vodka for
every
gallon of water you use. Mix the clove oil and vodka together before
adding
to water. After you add the mixture to the water, place the fish in the
solution. LEAVE THE FISH IN THE SOLUTION FOR APPROX 10 MINUTES. The
results are very quick and painless."

hth.


Thank you! I've saved this to my files for the possibility that I may
need it, and it answers my question about dosage.
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"Benign Vanilla" wrote:


"Katra" wrote in message
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Too bad there is no "sleepy" chemical one can put in the water for fish?
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There are, http://www.unmc.edu/Education/Animal/guide/appenG8.html.


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BV

Great link!
Thank you!
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K.

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In article ,
Donald K wrote:

Ah,

The fish pain debate... I suppose it's been almost a year since this one
has rolled through...

-Donald

I'm new... Sorry! ;-)
Guess I ought to Google first and ask questions later? lol
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see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

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"Lilly" wrote:

And I have three in a 75G tank which makes for 25G/fish. More water
volume is always better when it comes to our big, loveable
poop-factories. ;-)


And slime factories... ;-)
I've read that that is an even worse problem?

Don't catfish clean up poop?
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