EAsy to make, effective DIY internal CO2 reactor

Ozdude wrote:
"kev" wrote in message
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On 14 Jan 2005, the world was enlightened by Ozdude's opinion
about...
If you *register*, then the search works properly.

OK, so considering it *costs* (or so it appears to) for this
information,
then shall we consider the original message subtle spam? I hope it
wasn't ,
but quite frankly, I don't have the money on hand to be paying for
"The Barr
Report" and I certainly don't need to be paying for information which
is
possibly freely available on the Internet, or by a bit of personal
thought.


Oz, Dude, chill (in a friendly way)

I read this entire thread again, to see what I was missing. One poster
up earlier said, "you have to register first". My first reaction was
exactely as yours. Free my ass! But then I chilled, and looked at the
site again. "Register" is free. To "subscribe" is $12. So I simply
registered and now have more access. It's free.

sincerely,
steve

Rocco Moretti wrote:
wrote:

I'm not blind, I'm just not seeing the same website you are, probably

due to cache/update or registered/unregistered problems.
From what I see, I can't even find "the post" which you speak of,
let
alone the link.

Here's what I see when I go to www.BarrReport.com (Front page, middle

panel, as of 14/Jan/2005, about 16:00 UTC):


snip all except the last line you posted

=BB login or register to post comments | read more


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Yup. Register to read more. Maybe Tom's announcement could have said,
"Registration is free, and gives you access to much more free
information for free, including the newest DIY C02 dealy bobber."
steve

default wrote:


snip all except the last line you posted


» login or register to post comments | read more



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Yup. Register to read more.

Well, technically the line says "register ... to post comments" (and is
attached to the "Stages of the Aquascaper" story specifically, not the
site as a whole). The "Read more" is a separate link (again, attached to
the "Stages of the Aquascaper" story specifically) that actually gives
you full access to the "Stages of the Aquascaper" story, no login required.

Maybe Tom's announcement could have said,
"Registration is free, and gives you access to much more free
information for free, including the newest DIY C02 dealy bobber."

Would have been better, especially since there is no indication that
additional free content is available for the registered (and not
subscribed) users.

BTW, the "login or register to post comments" is not accurate either, as
after logging in, I get a "you can't post comments" message under the
"Stages of the Aquascaper" story.

So yes, logging in gives you access to more free content, but I still
maintain there is no way to figure that out by just looking at the
non-logged-in site.

Rocco Moretti wrote:
default wrote:


snip all except the last line you posted


=BB login or register to post comments | read more




-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yup. Register to read more.

Well, technically the line says "register ... to post comments" (and
is
attached to the "Stages of the Aquascaper" story specifically, not
the
site as a whole). The "Read more" is a separate link (again, attached
to
the "Stages of the Aquascaper" story specifically) that actually
gives
you full access to the "Stages of the Aquascaper" story, no login
required.

Maybe Tom's announcement could have said,
"Registration is free, and gives you access to much more free
information for free, including the newest DIY C02 dealy bobber."

Would have been better, especially since there is no indication that
additional free content is available for the registered (and not
subscribed) users.

BTW, the "login or register to post comments" is not accurate either,
as
after logging in, I get a "you can't post comments" message under the

"Stages of the Aquascaper" story.

So yes, logging in gives you access to more free content, but I still

maintain there is no way to figure that out by just looking at the
non-logged-in site.

I'm in agreement with you, Rocco. I didn't register until another
poster suggested it. There is no way to tell from the site that
registration opens up new stuff. And I wouldn't have if the benefit
was only to post to the topics, which is what my initial reaction was.
steve

"default" wrote in message
ups.com...

Oz, Dude, chill (in a friendly way)

OK chilled

I am guilty, I admit of not going "in far enough" then

I read this entire thread again, to see what I was missing. One poster
up earlier said, "you have to register first". My first reaction was
exactely as yours. Free my ass! But then I chilled, and looked at the
site again. "Register" is free. To "subscribe" is $12. So I simply
registered and now have more access. It's free.

Perhaps I will register then

Regards,

Oz



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Simply registering a user name and password cost absolutely *nothing*.
Just like here...........is Goggle is unethical as well?

So what part of "free" bothers you precisely?
I said it was free, no mistake.

You cannot do many functions on sites without getting a user
name/password.

I'm trying to help you, not make a buck off of you, most folks waste
plenty more than the fee I charge on snake oil and other things, but
some like to do that.Many pay 20-30$ a year for a mag subscription,
they are lucky if they see one decent plant article.

If you search around the web over the years you will see a long history
of me giving information for free and doing above and beyond to help
perfect strangers.You might want to check things out a bit before
assuming the negative intent of others.

I do not expect anything in return except that you help someone else in
the same way.Those that are interested, will get involved.

Here's an excerp from Mike, past editor of TFH(used with his
premission) about "free" advice on the net.

by Mike Reed
Past Editor of TFH Magazine

It's amazing how treacherous the Internet can be if you are looking for
advice about keeping tropical fishes. Every now and then, I used to
visit the forums and discussion groups on "the net" and even
participated in them briefly. What I saw was that in with the simple,
sometimes good advice was an amazing amount of outdated advice and some
downright bad advice being given to all who would read and trust it.
Every now and then, somebody gave information that was startingly good
and new and useful. But these gems came from intelligent and creative
people and such people have limited time. The hacks that spend endless
time on "the net" do not like anything new or that they disagree with -
with or without evidence that it is right or wrong. So they demand
"proof" of what anybody else says that they disagree with. And the more
they get answers, the more they continue to harangue the contributor of
the information. If you have ever wondered why you do not see
well-known aquarists on the forums and discussion groups, this is the
main reason. Why spend limited time trying to help when you are simply
badgered for it. Better to just save the time and not participate. You
can do much more, much more easily by writing an article for an
aquarium magazine."

Assumptive hacks do not bug me, but the words from Mike are very
precise and to the point.

Regards,
Tom Barr

Here's an excerp from Mike, past editor of TFH(used with his
premission) about "free" advice on the net.

by Mike Reed
Past Editor of TFH Magazine

It's amazing how treacherous the Internet can be if you are looking for
advice about keeping tropical fishes. Every now and then, I used to
visit the forums and discussion groups on "the net" and even
participated in them briefly. What I saw was that in with the simple,
sometimes good advice was an amazing amount of outdated advice and some
downright bad advice being given to all who would read and trust it.
Every now and then, somebody gave information that was startingly good
and new and useful. But these gems came from intelligent and creative
people and such people have limited time. The hacks that spend endless
time on "the net" do not like anything new or that they disagree with -
with or without evidence that it is right or wrong. So they demand
"proof" of what anybody else says that they disagree with. And the more
they get answers, the more they continue to harangue the contributor of
the information. If you have ever wondered why you do not see
well-known aquarists on the forums and discussion groups, this is the
main reason. Why spend limited time trying to help when you are simply
badgered for it. Better to just save the time and not participate. You
can do much more, much more easily by writing an article for an
aquarium magazine."

Assumptive hacks do not bug me, but the words from Mike are very
precise and to the point.

When was he editor? I've never heard of him and have been wrting for TFH for years.

That he spent a small time on the net and found it uselss is no great shock,
and it's rather a slap in the face to people that do know their stuff and have
been here since posting #1 back in the 80s.

The current editor of TFH does not share his opinion. And it's not like
you can't find bad information inj any magazine. His point is valid
to the extent that "some guy on the next said xxx works" is not valid
without checking to see if that's really true. This is the nature of
research and critical thought.

I like TFH. But the net, not TFH made the fish hobby what it is today. Hell, you
can't even buy TFH in Canada. There's a lot to be said for instand uniquitous
communication. Or would you rather snail mail your question to TFH and read the answer
4 months later?



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Hi Richard,

You can email those questions to him directly.
Mike Reed, you can do the search, he sells fish foods, is active in the
marine club down in LA.

There are few folks still posting from the 80' he-)

Kinda of funny when I'm called spammer:-)
hehe TFH has some issues, which is why I write for my own web site, not
TFH, which I've written for in the past. They want permanent ownership
of your photo's and do not give much for them. Mike's comments sort of
lead me to do what I do today, things evolve.

I'd be doing quite well in this hobby without the web..... but helping
other folks is something I enjoy. I teach and do public service and do
this hobby.

No reason I should give everything away either. You either for that
matter.

Regards,
Tom Barr

wrote in message
oups.com...
Simply registering a user name and password cost absolutely *nothing*.
Just like here...........is Goggle is unethical as well?

snipped and taken on board

I'm so sorry Tom. I am very guilty of "mindlessness". In the process I
projected my generalised suspicion about people's motivation. Many
apologies. If any one on Usenet knows, it is I, about shooting your mind and
mouth off without proper investigation. I have learnt another lesson this
day, so it hasn't all been bad for me

All I can do apologise to you and tell it won't happen again. I guess I am a
bit tense about my plants, income and ability, being the novice **** that I
am

All the best and keep up the good work. FWIW I did register (Ozdude) and I
got the information for free, and for that I am very appreciative. Sorry
once again - I shall be more mindful next time.

Regards,

Oz


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There are few folks still posting from the 80' he-)

Yeah but it's just not the same without Oleg. Somebody
email him and ask why their water is green. He loves that.

hehe TFH has some issues, which is why I write for my own web site, not
TFH, which I've written for in the past. They want permanent ownership
of your photo's and do not give much for them. Mike's comments sort of
lead me to do what I do today, things evolve.

Wellll, they want a perpetual non-exclusive right to redistibute. That means
they can do whatever they want with them, but so can you. I don't see this
as a problem. You're right they don't pay much for them, but Dave is
trying to get them to double the rate for pictures they may use again
wheras pictures of say, an event are really only usefull once. The secret is
to sell them LOTS of pictures :-)

I'd be doing quite well in this hobby without the web..... but helping
other folks is something I enjoy. I teach and do public service and do
this hobby.

Sure. But the number of people the net puts you in instant touch with
both very locally (oh, you keep fish) and halfway around the world,
makes a huge difference. The pre-internet fish era sucked as far as that
went.

No reason I should give everything away either. You either for that
matter.

Yeah right. Lemme know how that goes. I'm still waiting for my royalty check
for sci.aquaria. Fish poeple are the nicest but absolute cheapest
people on the planet. I shouldda done marine stuff, not killies. Those
guys have money. :-) But, you gotta do what you love so killies and crypts
it is.



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