EcoSpheres Inhumane?

thewes wrote:
wow. sounds like everyone is bashing Stacey for either not thinking
practically enough and being too humane. in my opinion the world needs
more people to ask more questions like this, instead of more nasty
analytical thinkers that discourage these questions. i dont have an
opinion about these ecospheres because i dont know enough about them,
but lets not discourage people like stacey from asking questions like
this.

Huh? I don't see any nasty responses or bashing on the alt.aquaria side
of this thread. Of course, I have the local troll killfiled so maybe I
missed something. I'm surprised you would call analytical thinkers in
general nasty, though. I'd hazard a guess that you just insulted a
pretty good number of people in both cross-posted newsgroups, me included.

BTW, the website is http://www.eco-sphere.com/home.htm.

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Only one person is bashing Stacey, thewes was sticking up for her.
Apparently the loudmouthed troll didn't appear in your reader.

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Margolis
http://web.archive.org/web/200302152...qs/AGQ2FAQ.htm
http://www.unrealtower.org/faq

Well, as far as I can tell (and I've read most of the website, plus info from related sites) it seems to be a fair setup. I don't know how much a shrimp can understand things, but I see food, oxgen, and a nice habitat. That is what we provide for our pets, and as long as you don't mistreat them (ie: shake the crap out of them) I see no problem.
But it is nice to see people are concerned over things like this.
A bad example of something similar is the betta with a plant. Instructions are to not feed the betta because he eats the plant. Very limited ecosystem, as bettas are not herbavores. And the plant can cover the entire top of the water. Big no-no for bettas.

I think the EcoSphere has at least been well thought out, unlike other things. ::cough... betta in a vase... cough::

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Are you a troll?


pot, kettle, black

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Margolis
http://web.archive.org/web/200302152...qs/AGQ2FAQ.htm
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"Stacey Whaley" wrote in message
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I was wanting to get some opinions on the EcoSphere, initiated by NASA,
in which tiny creatures live confined in a glass ball with a little bit
of water, oxygen and a dead plant with which to feed on. (They are
definitely eye-catching.)

http://www.eco-sphere.com/home.htm

I don't know how many here remember the AquaBabies market, but many
protested their existence, stating it was inhumane to confine the
little fish to such a tiny living space.

To me, the EcoSphere seems no different. Brine shrimp though they may
be, surely they would like more space?

Some might say it's akin to keeping a dog locked-up in a cage, while
others might think it's a "cool" novelty.

What is your opinion?

Well, this is similar to the sphere I was mentioning the other day in my
post about BAT's at the LFS.

I've read on various Oz web sites that say these things are illegal in this
country, and that the reason is because they are bad to keep fish in; the
sphere shape messes with the fishes latteral direction snesing lines and
causes undue disorientation and stress.

They mention that gold fish aren't allowed to be kept in them but I can
recall seeing anything mentioned about tropicals or other things.

Still, I am not sure personally whether they are good for fish or an object
that simply looks good.

They seem more designer, than practical to me

Oz

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"Ozdude" wrote in message
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"Stacey Whaley" wrote in message
oups.com...
I was wanting to get some opinions on the EcoSphere, initiated by NASA,
in which tiny creatures live confined in a glass ball with a little bit
of water, oxygen and a dead plant with which to feed on. (They are
definitely eye-catching.)

http://www.eco-sphere.com/home.htm

I don't know how many here remember the AquaBabies market, but many
protested their existence, stating it was inhumane to confine the
little fish to such a tiny living space.

To me, the EcoSphere seems no different. Brine shrimp though they may
be, surely they would like more space?

Some might say it's akin to keeping a dog locked-up in a cage, while
others might think it's a "cool" novelty.

What is your opinion?

Well, this is similar to the sphere I was mentioning the other day in my
post about BAT's at the LFS.

I've read on various Oz web sites that say these things are illegal in
this
country, and that the reason is because they are bad to keep fish in; the
sphere shape messes with the fishes latteral direction snesing lines and
causes undue disorientation and stress.

They mention that gold fish aren't allowed to be kept in them but I can
recall seeing anything mentioned about tropicals or other things.

Still, I am not sure personally whether they are good for fish or an
object
that simply looks good.

They seem more designer, than practical to me

Oz


So, what you're saying is that you didn't look at the link and don't know
what we're talking about?


Mar

"MarAzul" wrote in message
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| So, what you're saying is that you didn't look at the link and
don't know
| what we're talking about?
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Dangit, Mar, you beat me to it. g

"MarAzul" wrote in message
news:c6bVd.36909$Tt.3527@fed1read05...
So, what you're saying is that you didn't look at the link and don't know
what we're talking about?

I followed the link and apart from the fact the orignal message appears to
be troll, the EcoSphere my LFS sells is better than the heap I saw on the
web page. Sorry, but I didn't see any type of filtration or lighting on the
linked sphere.

Doesn't matter any way whether I saw it or not, to be honest, all globe
shaped vessels for fish are bad for them for the reasons I cite in my
previous post. They are cruel IMO. Not much better than those stupid picture
frame tanks that are all the vogue of late - now that's really cruel.

Oz

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Ozdude wrote:
"MarAzul" wrote in message
news:c6bVd.36909$Tt.3527@fed1read05...
So, what you're saying is that you didn't look at the link and
don't know
what we're talking about?

I followed the link and apart from the fact the orignal message
appears to
be troll, the EcoSphere my LFS sells is better than the heap I saw on
the
web page. Sorry, but I didn't see any type of filtration or lighting
on the
linked sphere.

Doesn't matter any way whether I saw it or not, to be honest, all
globe
shaped vessels for fish are bad for them for the reasons I cite in my

previous post. They are cruel IMO. Not much better than those stupid
picture
frame tanks that are all the vogue of late - now that's really cruel.

Oz

Hello,

I am not a troll. I had a serious question to ask. I was honestly
seeking the opinion of people in regards to the EcoSphere. I'm not
quite sure yet how I gave off the impression that I am or was a troll.
There was nothing rude, mean or inconsiderate portrayed in my original
message.

Look at my posting history on Usenet and I think you'll see most of my
postings are serious material. No troll workings, here.

-Stacey

"Stacey Whaley" wrote in message
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Apologies Stacey. I seem to have the wrong end of a couple of sticks here.

FWIW - those things look good, but that's all IMO. They look worse when they
get dirty. If you're just putting shrimps in them then I guess they would be
okay, but I wouldn't put fish in them - too cruel.

I know you're not a troll, and I apologise. Don't bite me

Oz

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