Need a inexpensive way to cool the pond water. Phoenix AZ current temp HOT!!

Thats what I have done in our hot tub on a few occassions when I
wanted a cold tub more than a hot tub.......it works pretty good too.

I would have to venture with a lots of shade is about the only resort
unless your prepared to spend lots of money for a chiller unit.

Around this paart its not uncommon for high temps either,,.How about a
fine mist of water. I have heard others say a trickle tower has a
chilling effect on water up to a certain point.

Take some temp readings at the top and middle and bottom and you may
be surprised the bottom strata is a lot cooler than you may think.

Around my ponds edges the water this year has been in the mid 90's
down to about 8 or 12 inches, however after that its a big change and
hits the lower 80's, and at about 3 feet or so its in the 70's. I
monitor my water temp from surface to 12 feet just for the heck of it
usuing a bank of remote electronic thermometers and sensors that are
permanently installed. Once I get past 8 or 9 feet the temp stays
rather constant all year round......

More aeraton and shade would be a big help for your pond / fish

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:33:05 -0700, ~ janj JJsPond.us
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"Dude" wrote in news:1119670116.818205.228410
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I live in Peoria AZ and from mid June till mid Sept its over 100
degrees every day even at 3am its 100. My poor fish have to endure
extreem pond temps, I dont know exactly what the pond temp is but I
would guess about 90 degrees. I just got done doubling the size of it.
I would guess it's about 700 gal give or take.
1250gph pump to my UV filter, Bio Filter, & water fall. Filtration and
airiation is pretty good but the fish hide during the day trying to
stay out of the Sun... Good luck out here. I have some pigmy palms to
the back of the pond and the pond has the block wall fence on two sides
of it and I have a Ficus tree in front of it but the tree is still
young and not big enough to provide any shade yet. On top of everything
my house faces east west so the back yard gets direct son for about 6
hours.
I have read about using a small dorm size fridge and converting it to
cool the water in the pond. I would like to hear from other AZ ponders
and know if you all are doing anything for cooling your pond temps.

Thanks,
Chris



Provide some shade, for a least part of it.
If there is no natural shade how about using one of those "cheap" blue
tarps and some timber (2*4s) as tent poles to rig a tent over part of the
pond? With a little ingenuity you could provide shade for the pond and some
for yourself next to the pond, then you could site out next to the water
with your favorite tipple.

ANO

They make what is called Shade sails. They are a heavy duty nylon or
polyproplyene fabric made in the shape of a triangle. They are
supported by using three poles and three stakes in the ground or tied
off to other existing structures and tensioned. The triangle shape,
and outer perimeter cable they have works better in windy condiitons
than a square shape does as it allows any captive air under it to
bleed off quick and not create as much lift and billow up as a square
would. A lot of ponders on another forum speak very highly of them in
giving them the needed shade for their ponds.
A ready made 12 x 12 x 12 foot triangle shade sail is about
$130......and all you need is a means to support it, usuing pipes
wood posts or other structure.

http://www.shadesails.com/newpage11.htm

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I'm here in So Cal. Mine is 2' deep. I use lilies and a pier to shade
most of the pond. http://www.bunchobikes.com/pond9.htm Warm days they
go and hide under the pier or frolic amongst the larger lily leaves.
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I live just a few miles from you (northern Phoenix), and I feel you're
overestimating the problem. My 'koi' pond is roughly the same size as
yours, and I have never had a problem with the pond getting too hot
for the fish. I DO have a lot of natural shade on the west side. Here
are a few other suggestions.

Home Depot and Lowes carry a polyester based UV resistant shade
fabric. A 6' X 24' piece weights about 20 lbs. The stuff is tough,
and very resistant to ripping. I use 4 side by side to keep my
swimming pool shaded even in mid-day (great for the grandkids). You
can make a very sturdy framework from 1" or 1 1/4" PVC pipe (make sure
you anchor it securely for the monsoon season).

The same places also sell lattice panels. The goldfish pond is shaded
by a roof of them, with a trumpet vine growing on it. Again, no
problems with overheating.

One of the easiest solutions is some kind of fountain or waterfall.
The cooling effect is significant, just make sure you have some way of
replenishing the water lost to evaporation.

PlainBill
On 24 Jun 2005 20:28:36 -0700, "Dude" wrote:

I live in Peoria AZ and from mid June till mid Sept its over 100
degrees every day even at 3am its 100. My poor fish have to endure
extreem pond temps, I dont know exactly what the pond temp is but I
would guess about 90 degrees. I just got done doubling the size of it.
I would guess it's about 700 gal give or take.
1250gph pump to my UV filter, Bio Filter, & water fall. Filtration and
airiation is pretty good but the fish hide during the day trying to
stay out of the Sun... Good luck out here. I have some pigmy palms to
the back of the pond and the pond has the block wall fence on two sides
of it and I have a Ficus tree in front of it but the tree is still
young and not big enough to provide any shade yet. On top of everything
my house faces east west so the back yard gets direct son for about 6
hours.
I have read about using a small dorm size fridge and converting it to
cool the water in the pond. I would like to hear from other AZ ponders
and know if you all are doing anything for cooling your pond temps.

Thanks,
Chris

It has been a long time since I lived in AZ, (Tuscon, and Ajo) but back then
we cooled the house with what is called a swamp cooler, that worked on the
basis of evaporation. Those things worked fine out there, but due to the
high humidity in the east, they don't work at all. Evaporation is one of
the best forms of refrigeration, and cheap to set up. Just get a fountain
with relatively fine streams, and the water reentering the pond will be
chilled. A waterfall would have a similar effect. Shade will prevent the
pond from getting solar heating, but it will still try to get to the average
ambient, day/night temperature, except for the cooling effect of
evaporation.
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"Dude" wrote in message
oups.com...
I live in Peoria AZ and from mid June till mid Sept its over 100
degrees every day even at 3am its 100. My poor fish have to endure
extreem pond temps, I dont know exactly what the pond temp is but I
would guess about 90 degrees. I just got done doubling the size of it.
I would guess it's about 700 gal give or take.
1250gph pump to my UV filter, Bio Filter, & water fall. Filtration and
airiation is pretty good but the fish hide during the day trying to
stay out of the Sun... Good luck out here. I have some pigmy palms to
the back of the pond and the pond has the block wall fence on two sides
of it and I have a Ficus tree in front of it but the tree is still
young and not big enough to provide any shade yet. On top of everything
my house faces east west so the back yard gets direct son for about 6
hours.
I have read about using a small dorm size fridge and converting it to
cool the water in the pond. I would like to hear from other AZ ponders
and know if you all are doing anything for cooling your pond temps.

Thanks,
Chris

,,.How about a fine mist of water.

Which reminds me. Isn't AZ where they came up with those fine misters above
a patio to keep it cool? Why not above and around the pond? ~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

Thanks PlainBill for informing me I dont know what hot water feels
like. "I live just a few miles from you (northern Phoenix), and I feel
you're overestimating the problem."

I also mentioned in my origianal post that I do have a waterfall, I
also have a large airstone in the water to add extra O2.

I also have two lines from my drip system that adds water to the pond
twice a day. No drip head on the line just a straight piece of drip
line so it comes out at full preasure.

I took my large umbrella that goes in the ground by the pool and placed
it next to the pond thismorning and that made a huge difference. The
umbrella is about 5' in diameter so the shade it provides covers most
of the water surface area.

Chris

Im not sure how a mister system will keep the pond water temp down? For
us humans the list mist of the water hitting our face feels good. But
since the fish is already completly wet I dont think they can
appreciate it the same way.

Chris

Im not sure how a mister system will keep the pond water temp down? For
us humans the list mist of the water hitting our face feels good. But
since the fish is already completly wet I dont think they can
appreciate it the same way.

Chris

Don't those things cool the ambient air in the area? So I was just thinking
if the temp is 105F on pavement, and the misters cooled the ambient area
around the pond to 90F, that would be a good thing for the pond? ~ jan


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