Ich and tang...

With your advanced knowledge of reef tanks, you choose to come in here and
berate those who are in the learning process of this hobby. Tell me genius,
do feel superior pointing out the shorting comings of others or you just get
off acting like a ****ing asshole?

"Tristin" wrote in message
...
At least one person out of the bunch so far has sufficient knowledge
on what to do.....

I simply do not understand an engineer not knowing what a plenum
is.....a plenum is a plenum, it matters ot what its on, its still fits
the description of a plenum............duh!

Oh yea carol or is it Ocean Breeze.here is another to go off on and
cross post to the masses.......you lunatic!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:19:12 -0500, Add Homonym
wrote:

Pszemol wrote:
"Add Homonym" wrote in message
...

White or black ich? (I ask, because black ich is quite
common in tangs - not in most other fish)


White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

MIGHT work. I had one tang that refused to beleive a Lysmata
wurdermanni was not actually a Lysmata amboinensis. Kept going up
to
it like he expected a cleaning. Poor shrimp had no idea what was
expected of him.
Not I have the opposite - new tang, new peppermint shrimp -
peppermint
shrip actually wants to pick at the tang, and the Tang wants no
part
of it - but DOES let my skunk cleaner clean him.


So peppermints are not as good, right?

Depends on the individual. Some peppermints will do just as good a
job,
but most won't do any cleaning (YMMV)

OK. So, the ich is small white spots. Sounds like cryptocaryon.

So, hate to tell ya, the CORRECT treatment is this-

take ALL fish out of the tank for 1-2 months. Take the infected fish,
give it a dip in freshwater buffered to PH to match tank water, with
formalin and copper sulfate added. I usually add some methe;yne blue
to
help boost oxygen, since it is also an anti paraiste and won't hurt.
After the dip (dip for about 7-10 minutes) put fish in a seperate tank
and continue treatment with copper sulfate until all symptoms are
gone.

Alternate if you just plain can't take all the fish out for a month or
two:

treat sick fish with dip as above, and add garlic to main tank and
cross
yer fingers that fish does not get re-infected.

I have also had good luck with Chem Marin's "Stop Parisite" product.
Dunno if it was merely a placebo effect or not (ie: I had kille dthe
ich
without it anyway) but I did option #2 above, and then added this
stuff,
and the problem was resolved.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Roy "Tristin" Hauer stalker of old women and disabled men
wrote nothing of value or interest to anyone
and was promptly slapped down by a dead fluke: wrote in message
...
At least one person out of the bunch so far has sufficient knowledge
on what to do.....

More slander and stalking of your victims Roy? You need help. Get back into
treatment at the VA. They can help you. We can't!


I simply do not understand an engineer not knowing what a plenum
is.....a plenum is a plenum, it matters ot what its on, its still fits
the description of a plenum............duh!

Oh yea carol or is it Ocean Breeze.here is another to go off on and
cross post to the masses.......you lunatic!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:19:12 -0500, Add Homonym
wrote:

Pszemol wrote:
"Add Homonym" wrote in message
...

White or black ich? (I ask, because black ich is quite
common in tangs - not in most other fish)


White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

MIGHT work. I had one tang that refused to beleive a Lysmata
wurdermanni was not actually a Lysmata amboinensis. Kept going up
to
it like he expected a cleaning. Poor shrimp had no idea what was
expected of him.
Not I have the opposite - new tang, new peppermint shrimp -
peppermint
shrip actually wants to pick at the tang, and the Tang wants no
part
of it - but DOES let my skunk cleaner clean him.


So peppermints are not as good, right?

Depends on the individual. Some peppermints will do just as good a
job,
but most won't do any cleaning (YMMV)

OK. So, the ich is small white spots. Sounds like cryptocaryon.

So, hate to tell ya, the CORRECT treatment is this-

take ALL fish out of the tank for 1-2 months. Take the infected fish,
give it a dip in freshwater buffered to PH to match tank water, with
formalin and copper sulfate added. I usually add some methe;yne blue
to
help boost oxygen, since it is also an anti paraiste and won't hurt.
After the dip (dip for about 7-10 minutes) put fish in a seperate tank
and continue treatment with copper sulfate until all symptoms are
gone.

Alternate if you just plain can't take all the fish out for a month or
two:

treat sick fish with dip as above, and add garlic to main tank and
cross
yer fingers that fish does not get re-infected.

I have also had good luck with Chem Marin's "Stop Parisite" product.
Dunno if it was merely a placebo effect or not (ie: I had kille dthe
ich
without it anyway) but I did option #2 above, and then added this
stuff,
and the problem was resolved.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Add Homonym wrote:

OK. So, the ich is small white spots. Sounds like cryptocaryon.

Yep.

take ALL fish out of the tank for 1-2 months. Take the infected fish,
give it a dip in freshwater buffered to PH to match tank water, with
formalin and copper sulfate added. I usually add some methe;yne blue to
help boost oxygen, since it is also an anti paraiste and won't hurt.
After the dip (dip for about 7-10 minutes) put fish in a seperate tank
and continue treatment with copper sulfate until all symptoms are gone.

I don't use the dip - just go straight to the hospital tank dosed with copper
sulphate. I prefer "CopperSafe." Also get a decent copper test kit that works
with the type of copper treatment you're using (I use "FasTest" with
"CopperSafe"). If you're going with CopperSafe, add half as much as the
directions say to add, wait an hour or two, and test the concentration. Add more
in stages until you get up to the recommended dosage of .15 to .2 ppm. Maintain
that level for two weeks and then quit adding copper.

The freshwater dip is a bit satisfying, though. The parasites swell up and sort
of explode. On the other hand, the fish isn't exactly comfortable either.

George Patterson
If you torture the data long enough, eventually it will confess
to anything.

I`m a little confused, are there different kinds of "Ich"? Is there a kind
that is not contagious?

When I introduced a super-juvie Hippo Tang 4 months ago, it broke out in
white spots for a few days, but it went away on its own after soaking its
food in garlic for a few days. Ive never seen my other fish have any
symptoms (knock on wood).

Ive read many similiar posts in reef forums. There seems to be a lot of
people who have Tangs break out in "Ich"--- but then do water changes or use
the lights less and their Tangs also recover W/O any dipping or medication.

Pszemol wrote:
White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

I can almost see torches and pitch forks waving while I write this, but
I'd vacuum the plenum after the white spots drop off. It's not really a
cure, but it may help you break the cycle w/ the help of your shrimp
friends.

I did that with mine, and I haven't seen Ich since. It also pulled an
amazing amount of crud out of my system, and I just have a thin sand layer.

--Kurt

"KurtG" wrote in message .. .
Pszemol wrote:
White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

I can almost see torches and pitch forks waving while I write this, but
I'd vacuum the plenum after the white spots drop off. It's not really a
cure, but it may help you break the cycle w/ the help of your shrimp
friends.

I did that with mine, and I haven't seen Ich since. It also pulled an
amazing amount of crud out of my system, and I just have a thin sand layer.

I know my English is not perfect, but what the hell you call plenum? :-)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plenum

My tank is DSB and I am not going to vacuum fine sand out...
Vacuuming would not work.

No, I wouldn't vacuum the sand. It is true that the
parasite likes to attach to calcium carbonate, in
fact it has been shown that a tank with no calcium
carbonate material, will greatly if not completely
prevent the cycle of ich.

But what I would do is yes you can ad the peppermint
shrimp. They will clean some, but get some cleaner
shrimp in there. If the tang is healthy, and has no
other stress factors it will heal up just fine with
some cleaner shrimp in there.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Pszemol wrote on 2/27/2007 3:48 PM:
"KurtG" wrote in message
.. .
Pszemol wrote:
White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

I can almost see torches and pitch forks waving while I write this,
but I'd vacuum the plenum after the white spots drop off. It's not
really a cure, but it may help you break the cycle w/ the help of your
shrimp friends.

I did that with mine, and I haven't seen Ich since. It also pulled an
amazing amount of crud out of my system, and I just have a thin sand
layer.

I know my English is not perfect, but what the hell you call plenum? :-)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plenum

My tank is DSB and I am not going to vacuum fine sand out...
Vacuuming would not work.

Pszemol wrote:
what the hell you call plenum? :-)

Sorry, sand & gravel on the bottom.

--Kurt

Pszemol wrote:

I know my English is not perfect, but what the hell you call plenum? :-)

Do a search for "Joubert plenum."

George Patterson
If you torture the data long enough, eventually it will confess
to anything.

Pszemol wrote:

- I have two large maroon clowns and adult royal gramma
in the same tank with the hepatus tang... They do not show
any symptomps of ich. Can they be host without symptoms?

Yes. Ich attacks the gills first, appearing on the body of the fish when there's
no more room on the gills. It's quite common for some of the fish to show no
symptoms at first, showing symptoms later as the parasite population grows.

George Patterson
If you torture the data long enough, eventually it will confess
to anything.