Trees and ponds

(HA HA Budys Here) wrote:

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.

They must be starving!

They don't starve, they just grow to meet their food supply. If fed,
like people they never stop growing. If left to natural food sources,
the stop growing when the are starting to overeat the area. That is the
reason that Koi and Goldfish have such a wide variation in mature size.

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On 23 Jul 2004 03:32:39 GMT, (HA HA Budys Here)
wrote:

Mine is full sun, pressurised filter, crystal clear.

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.


Mike Patterson

They must be starving!

Nah, they have a large menu and they're fat & lively.

They eat algae, parrot's feather, hornwort, roots of water hyacinth,
water lettuce, watercress, pineapple mint, and stray roots of the
lilies and pickerels.

For protein there's mosquito larvae, frog & toad eggs, unfortunate
clumsy insects, tadpoles, and baby fish.

I feed 'em a handful of fish food about once a week just on the off
chance that some vitamin or other is locally deficient and to help
keem 'em relatively tame.

That being said, it's also true that when I have to wade in to
move/divide plants, there is a young one I call "killer" because he
comes straight over to me and nibbles on my legs the whole time I'm in
the water. I try to wave him away, but he is fearless and determined
to eat me alive. :-)


Mike Patterson
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(HA HA Budys Here) wrote:

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.

They must be starving!

They don't starve, they just grow to meet their food supply. If fed,
like people they never stop growing. If left to natural food sources,
the stop growing when the are starting to overeat the area. That is the
reason that Koi and Goldfish have such a wide variation in mature size.

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On 23 Jul 2004 03:32:39 GMT, (HA HA Budys Here)
wrote:

Mine is full sun, pressurised filter, crystal clear.

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.


Mike Patterson

They must be starving!

Nah, they have a large menu and they're fat & lively.

They eat algae, parrot's feather, hornwort, roots of water hyacinth,
water lettuce, watercress, pineapple mint, and stray roots of the
lilies and pickerels.

For protein there's mosquito larvae, frog & toad eggs, unfortunate
clumsy insects, tadpoles, and baby fish.

I feed 'em a handful of fish food about once a week just on the off
chance that some vitamin or other is locally deficient and to help
keem 'em relatively tame.

That being said, it's also true that when I have to wade in to
move/divide plants, there is a young one I call "killer" because he
comes straight over to me and nibbles on my legs the whole time I'm in
the water. I try to wave him away, but he is fearless and determined
to eat me alive. :-)


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody. I should have been more specific..."

Mine is full sun, pressurised filter, crystal clear.

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.


Mike Patterson

They must be starving!

In article , "Benign Vanilla"
writes:

My neighbors pond gets almost full sun. He has a mechanical filter and a VF.
My pond has only a VF, and get partial shade. His is pea green. Mine is gin
clear to four feet.


my pond is in full sun too from sunrise to sunset, has a combo mechanical, bio,
veggie filter and is gin clear to the bottom of 5 ft. ( I hate it - just
waiting to come home and find the kingfisher has paid a visit ;()

Karen
Zone 5
Ashland, OH
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My Art Studio at
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The well traveled "your neighbor" rises yet again heh.
Unfortunately I dont have much of a choice. Because of the way my trees and
house are sitting, a new pond will either be in shade under the trees or sun
not under. If we really trimmed the lower limbs back (not desired) we could
manage to have after - noon sun under the trees. Actually my current pond
get sun after about 10am and it is pretty clear, but certainly not gin
clear.
Thanxx
Bill

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:22:34 -0400, "Benign Vanilla"
wrote:


"Nedra" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Bill ... I do hope you get your Birthday pond liner!!
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I would bite the bullet and go ahead and install the pond in full sun.
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My two cents...

My neighbors pond gets almost full sun. He has a mechanical filter and a VF.
My pond has only a VF, and get partial shade. His is pea green. Mine is gin
clear to four feet.

BV.


Mine is full sun, pressurised filter, crystal clear.

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody. I should have been more specific..."

In article , "Benign Vanilla"
writes:

My neighbors pond gets almost full sun. He has a mechanical filter and a VF.
My pond has only a VF, and get partial shade. His is pea green. Mine is gin
clear to four feet.


my pond is in full sun too from sunrise to sunset, has a combo mechanical, bio,
veggie filter and is gin clear to the bottom of 5 ft. ( I hate it - just
waiting to come home and find the kingfisher has paid a visit ;()

Karen
Zone 5
Ashland, OH
http://hometown.aol.com/kmam1/MyPond/MyPond.html
My Art Studio at
http://members.aol.com/kmmstudios/K....M.Studios.html
for email remove the extra extention

Thanks for the thoughts Nedra - I probably am leaning that way. The leaves
are going to be a problem in any case. My little pond is already in the
fartherst location so a new pond would still get plenty of leaves blowing
in. Depth I'm not sure of depth. I know everyone sez bigger is better but
I do like the economies of smaller pumps, filters, water changes, meds etc.
Probably will just have to investigate. May be like that around the country
but around here you pretty much expect to run into rock below about 2 feet -
5 would probably be quite an accomplishment unless a couple of them were
above ground. In fact we just had our pond tour this week end and I dont
think I saw a pond over about 3 1/2-4 ft. Well the creative process has
started anyway.
Thanxx
Bill

"Nedra" wrote in message
link.net...
Bill ... I do hope you get your Birthday pond liner!!

I just wouldn't take a chance on tree roots Not puncturing the liner. I
have a small
spirea that punctured my liner several years ago. The pond had to be
emptied (all
the fish transferred to holding quarters, etc.) and patched. A big
headache all 'round.
Moreover, the leaves are a big minus in putting the pond around trees.
All
of the minuses
you can think of and then some.

I would bite the bullet and go ahead and install the pond in full sun.
You
can always
buy a sun shelter and they do look very nice... or build a sun shade in
the
Japanese manner.
Don't skimp on depth. I would go 5 feet deep at least. ... that way any
koi
will be protected
from the blistering summer heat - along with the sun shade you've already
installed ;-)
Also the water lilies will thank you for installing your pond in full sun
... what else, there
must be more pluses!

Good Luck!

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Newbie Bill" wrote in message
om...
This may be years in the coming, but if by chance liners go on sale
around
my birthday - ya never know. The only place we really have, short of
totally full sun is under the canopy of several Live Oaks and Pin Oak.
1) Anyone know rules of thumb about how far away from the base you
would
have to be to not disturb the 'tap roots?'.
2) What concerns are there about any trees, shrubs etc puncturing the
liner.
3) This exposure would pretty much just be diffused light. Aside from
leaves and slow/limited plant growth any other negatives I'm not
thinking
about?
Thanxx
Bill Brister - Austin, Texas (8b)