re.Koi Food

"~ jan" wrote in message
...
5% is high for fish facing a 4 month fast? Now I see why people's koi
die
during the winter fast. They have no reserves to survive the winter fast.
The brand I use Nutri Source Farm Pond Diet. Why are you suddenly so
concerned about what I feed since you've known this information for 8
years
and never said a word before?
===
I looked up the brand and couldn't find anything with the numbers you
mentioned, but if the ingredients are digestible by the koi gut, as you
know, you're fine.

It's manufactured by Feed Solutions of St. Lewis Mo.

That's not to say those using koi foods are suffering deaths. My babies
did
quite well on koi food and I've had no trouble selling them, not that that
is my goal. Most likely it is the brand they were using. You didn't
mention
the koi food you used that you had problems with, why all prudent now?
Seems you'd want to get that information out if it produced poor results.

I don't care if the information gets out. People are going to believe and
buy what they want no matter what they read here. We live in a sue-crazy
society and the two trolls would quickly make sure the company who made the
food would get my post. Uh, no thanks. ;-) Also, I can't know if the
results would have been different under different climactic conditions
(steady 75F year round), different stains of koi (more expensive or cheaper
fish) or koi of different ages (the article mentioned 3 year olds). I gave
you my experience with the expensive food and for some reason you refuse to
accept it. Had I gotten at least the SAME results as I got with the cheaper
foods I would have said so.

Yet someone else can
recommend people illegally shoot and kill protected birds and you say
nothing. Koi are not endangered, many of our birds are.

If you want to start a new thread about this, do so, but don't pull this
topic off on to something unrelated. ~ jan

It's useless to start a new thread as those left here don't seem to care
about people being advised to illegally kill herons. Those who do care are
too intimidated to speak up least they face the same abuse (personal
attacks, slander) I get daily, mainly from a certain regular here.
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~ }(((((o

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:59:44 -0600, "Reel McKoi"
wrote:

Also, I can't know if the
results would have been different under different climactic conditions
(steady 75F year round), different stains of koi (more expensive or cheaper
fish) or koi of different ages (the article mentioned 3 year olds). I gave
you my experience with the expensive food and for some reason you refuse to
accept it.

Oh I accept it, but myself and others are the ones that pointed out to you
the sentence you said before it.

It's useless to start a new thread as those left here don't seem to care
about people being advised to illegally kill herons.

Lately you're the only one who keeps bringing this up, basically used to
attack another or draw them off the topic, or, imo, beat a dead horse/your
own agenda. I know you see this as a jab, but if the shoe fits.... ~ jan

"~ jan" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:59:44 -0600, "Reel McKoi"
wrote:

Also, I can't know if the
results would have been different under different climactic conditions
(steady 75F year round), different stains of koi (more expensive or
cheaper
fish) or koi of different ages (the article mentioned 3 year olds). I
gave
you my experience with the expensive food and for some reason you refuse
to
accept it.

Oh I accept it, but myself and others are the ones that pointed out to you
the sentence you said before it.

Which sentence I said before it? ???

It's useless to start a new thread as those left here don't seem to care
about people being advised to illegally kill herons.

Lately you're the only one who keeps bringing this up,

So it's now a taboo subject here? Why keep bringing up the koi food issue?
The food thread's been going on for days now. Not meaning to sound rude
but - are we to only discuss what interests you?

basically used to
attack another or draw them off the topic,

That's your opinion. The feed issue has been beaten to death while ignoring
another issue just as important to ponders and more so, to future
generations.

or, imo, beat a dead horse/your
own agenda.

And the koi feed is your agenda. It looks like we all have our own agendas.

I know you see this as a jab, but if the shoe fits.... ~ jan

Does the shoe fit you Jan? It appears "jabs" help alleviate your angst
over the situation this group is in. There are healthier ways to deal with
your anger and frustration. As for beating dead horses... I think you beat
the dead horse feed issue long enough.

--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~ }(((((o

Also, I can't know if the
results would have been different under different climactic conditions
(steady 75F year round), different stains of koi (more expensive or
cheaper
fish) or koi of different ages (the article mentioned 3 year olds). I
gave
you my experience with the expensive food and for some reason you refuse
to
accept it.

Oh I accept it, but myself and others are the ones that pointed out to you
the sentence you said before it.

Which sentence I said before it? ???

This one you typed:

Also, I can't know if the results would have been different under different
climactic conditions (steady 75F year round), different stains of koi (more
expensive or cheaper fish) or koi of different ages (the article mentioned
3 year olds).

It's useless to start a new thread as those left here don't seem to care
about people being advised to illegally kill herons.

Lately you're the only one who keeps bringing this up,

So it's now a taboo subject here?

I asked you to move it to a different thread if it interested you so much,
that was all.

Why keep bringing up the koi food issue?

Because other people are interested, not just those who want to fight the
issue. You yourself asked for more information, now you're complaining
because I'm giving/finding it?

The food thread's been going on for days now. Not meaning to sound rude
but - are we to only discuss what interests you?

snip rest of unreasonable blah, blah, blah used to attack or enflame.
~ jan

"~ jan" wrote in message
...

Feed issue is considered dead and finished so I snipped it.

It's useless to start a new thread as those left here don't seem to care
about people being advised to illegally kill herons.

Lately you're the only one who keeps bringing this up,

So it's now a taboo subject here?

I asked you to move it to a different thread if it interested you so much,
that was all.

OK. No use though as there isn't one person left here who would dare to
discuss it in fear of becoming another victim as I and even more people on
the reef group have become.

Why keep bringing up the koi food issue?

Because other people are interested, not just those who want to fight the
issue.

snip rest of unreasonable blah, blah, blah used to attack or enflame or
encourage the trolls. I have no time to read it and must go prune my
tulips........
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~ }(((((o

Carol does not take advice well at all!


On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:41:27 GMT, ~ jan
wrote:

Also, I can't know if the
results would have been different under different climactic conditions
(steady 75F year round), different stains of koi (more expensive or
cheaper
fish) or koi of different ages (the article mentioned 3 year olds). I
gave
you my experience with the expensive food and for some reason you refuse
to
accept it.

Oh I accept it, but myself and others are the ones that pointed out to you
the sentence you said before it.

Which sentence I said before it? ???

This one you typed:

Also, I can't know if the results would have been different under different
climactic conditions (steady 75F year round), different stains of koi (more
expensive or cheaper fish) or koi of different ages (the article mentioned
3 year olds).

It's useless to start a new thread as those left here don't seem to care
about people being advised to illegally kill herons.

Lately you're the only one who keeps bringing this up,

So it's now a taboo subject here?

I asked you to move it to a different thread if it interested you so much,
that was all.

Why keep bringing up the koi food issue?

Because other people are interested, not just those who want to fight the
issue. You yourself asked for more information, now you're complaining
because I'm giving/finding it?

The food thread's been going on for days now. Not meaning to sound rude
but - are we to only discuss what interests you?

snip rest of unreasonable blah, blah, blah used to attack or enflame.
~ jan

Carol Gulley is a loon as well as a moron!

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:27:01 -0600, "Reel McKoi"
wrote:


"~ jan" wrote in message
.. .

Feed issue is considered dead and finished so I snipped it.

It's useless to start a new thread as those left here don't seem to care
about people being advised to illegally kill herons.

Lately you're the only one who keeps bringing this up,

So it's now a taboo subject here?

I asked you to move it to a different thread if it interested you so much,
that was all.

OK. No use though as there isn't one person left here who would dare to
discuss it in fear of becoming another victim as I and even more people on
the reef group have become.

Why keep bringing up the koi food issue?

Because other people are interested, not just those who want to fight the
issue.

snip rest of unreasonable blah, blah, blah used to attack or enflame or
encourage the trolls. I have no time to read it and must go prune my
tulips........

Well we do have the case of Koivorkian who has never been disingenuous about wanting
to make money. Vets do not NEED special training to declare themselves
"specialists". Until a person actually knows otherwise it is wise to assume that a
vet became a vet because they can make a good living at it rather than any other kind
of altruistic reasons.

OTOH, Jo Ann knows Sandy Yosha and has spoken highly of her. And she may well have
made it her business to find out as much as possible about Koi nutrition. At least
she isnt like that guy wrote for the national koi club was plagiarizing all over the
place, not giving citations and was actually a producer of koi food..... somewhere in
S. Africa I believe.

People who arent scientists (and even some scientists) often dont know how to steer
themselves clear of bias by staying out of financial arrangements with those that are
clearly going to bias them.

BTW, vets and physicians arent scientists. That is a completely different 5 year
program where taking "science classes" has less to do with it, becoming a scientist
is all about developing critical thinking and how to ask salient questions.

Ingrid

~ jan wrote:
Why would a fish vet make something up, why would she put herself, her
professional reputation out there, by writing something erroneous?


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Jan, Jan, Jan ... that is an ad! The only sound relationship between cholesterol and
heart disease is how much money pharmaceutical companies can make from selling their
drugs to lower cholesterol. It took them years and a lot of money before an
"independent lab" showed taking their drugs might lower the chance of a heart attack.


Like ulcers, scientist will eventually be able to determine which microbes are
responsible for heart disease (there is some idea already-
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=9071)
Cholesterol is an essential lipid component of every cell membrane in the body.
Cholesterol is a "band aid" that comes in to repair damaged cells in arteries.
Find what is damaging the cells, cure the disease. Just like find the bacteria
causes ulcers, cure the disease. bacteria is not the ONLY cause of ulcers, of
course.

Ingrid

~ jan wrote:
Yup, even buff, thin people can have clogged arteries from that diet. Like
that commercial where the high cholesterol number is chasing the snow skier
down the mountain. ~ jan



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So if we can find out what is eating up the brain cells in Carol
Gulley there may still be some hope for her yet......very
interesting, but I think that carol is beyond help as whatever cancer
it is that has attachjed her so bad has made any repair impossible.
She has been afflicted too many years and is more than likely past
the point of no return.

I have a feeling the moderated pond group wil be the final nail in her
coffin.............

On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 16:47:10 GMT, wrote:

Jan, Jan, Jan ... that is an ad! The only sound relationship between cholesterol and
heart disease is how much money pharmaceutical companies can make from selling their
drugs to lower cholesterol. It took them years and a lot of money before an
"independent lab" showed taking their drugs might lower the chance of a heart attack.


Like ulcers, scientist will eventually be able to determine which microbes are
responsible for heart disease (there is some idea already-
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=9071)
Cholesterol is an essential lipid component of every cell membrane in the body.
Cholesterol is a "band aid" that comes in to repair damaged cells in arteries.
Find what is damaging the cells, cure the disease. Just like find the bacteria
causes ulcers, cure the disease. bacteria is not the ONLY cause of ulcers, of
course.

Ingrid

~ jan wrote:
Yup, even buff, thin people can have clogged arteries from that diet. Like
that commercial where the high cholesterol number is chasing the snow skier
down the mountain. ~ jan



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