Extending Water to Pond

Sorry - also, probably should be 20 amp service given pump loads and such.

Joe

On 3/3/04 5:20 PM, "joe" wrote:

BV - you shouldn't run romex in conduit, it gets too hot. You need to run
individual wires (black, white and ground)

Joe


On 3/3/04 10:05 AM, "BenignVanilla" wrote:

Really? Running two conduits...one full of water, and one containing two
romex cables sounds bad?



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On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 17:20:56 -0800, joe wrote:

BV - you shouldn't run romex in conduit, it gets too hot. You need to run
individual wires (black, white and ground)

Do you have a reference for this information? I've never heard it
before and some companies make fittings to accommodate running romex
into and through conduit. I'm sure there must be a situation calling
for individual wires, I just don't believe we are talking about that
situation, but I'd like to know, if you will explain it to me. Are
we talking about plastic or metal conduit? I've seen metal conduit
wired in this fashion, but never knew why because the wire wasn't long
enough to overheat with a normal load. I've listed a couple
references for using romex in conduit:

http://www.donpearman.com/forensics/...sedromex.shtml
http://www.homewiringandmore.com/hom...nduitfill.html
That URL will probably have to be put back together, but here is a
note from that page that indicates someone uses romex in conduit.
“Special Notes” When installing multi - conductor cable such as
Romex in a conduit you must calculate the actual dimensions of the
cable at it’s widest point, and figured as a circular assembly. Then
compare this area required to the 40% fill allowed for the conduit
being used.

Regards,

Hal

OK I ran romex through condiut for my old trailer,for 50 ft the line is
still in opweration aftr 10 yrs
when we wired the pond the romex is in conduit, its required by the
bldg code if its exposed(NOT INSIDE A WALL) or buried

John RUTZ

Hal wrote:
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 17:20:56 -0800, joe wrote:


BV - you shouldn't run romex in conduit, it gets too hot. You need to run
individual wires (black, white and ground)


Do you have a reference for this information? I've never heard it
before and some companies make fittings to accommodate running romex
into and through conduit. I'm sure there must be a situation calling
for individual wires, I just don't believe we are talking about that
situation, but I'd like to know, if you will explain it to me. Are
we talking about plastic or metal conduit? I've seen metal conduit
wired in this fashion, but never knew why because the wire wasn't long
enough to overheat with a normal load. I've listed a couple
references for using romex in conduit:

http://www.donpearman.com/forensics/...sedromex.shtml
http://www.homewiringandmore.com/hom...nduitfill.html
That URL will probably have to be put back together, but here is a
note from that page that indicates someone uses romex in conduit.
“Special Notes” When installing multi - conductor cable such as
Romex in a conduit you must calculate the actual dimensions of the
cable at it’s widest point, and figured as a circular assembly. Then
compare this area required to the 40% fill allowed for the conduit
being used.

Regards,

Hal

Grey PVC for electric and white for water. Works great.

Jim

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"BenignVanilla" wrote in message
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"Ka30P" wrote in message
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BV wrote Can I bury it in the same trench that I am using for an
electrical conduit?

ak! I had an immediate mental picture of somebody digging in the
backyard
and
hitting both lines at once. Looked like Wiley Coyote on one of his
better
days...
You might always know that the lines run together but somebody else
might
not.
And if you have boys like I have boys... digging illicit holes is right
up
there as mischief just waiting to happen.


Really? Running two conduits...one full of water, and one containing two
romex cables sounds bad? I thought that sounded great? I mean really...If
someone pounds a shovel through a piece of PVC, and thru both wires...will
a
little water really make a difference? Especially if these circuits have
GFI's?

BV.

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:05:55 -0500, "BenignVanilla"
wrote:

Right now, when I want to fill the pond, I drag a hose out from the house.
If I wanted to put a spigot out back by the pond, what would be the best
material to use? Can I bury it in the same trench that I am using for an
electrical conduit?

I buried a 1.5" flexible (theoretically!) pipe from the house to the
pond and ran 1/2" electrical conduit in the same trench under it.

Haven't gotten around to it yet, but I plan to run 1/4" tubing (like
that used for refrigerator icemakers) inside the 1.5" line for water.
Since flow volume isn't a big deal for topping up, I think this will
be OK. Still have lots of space to run other low-current wiring & such
through the 1.5" pipe if I want to.

My thought was that since I went to the trouble to dig a trench, I
might as well set it up so I wouldn't be likely to need to dig it
again.

Just a thought.

Mike Patterson
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BV ~ Oh, I don't know nothing about those pesky electrons and H20 ;-)
BUT....
someone who was in the insurance
industry, once posted here about this
problem. In that if you have uninspected
work like this on your property, and you have
a fire, that your insurance can opt not to
cover your damage. Even if it had nothing to
do with the fire.

Be that as it may, my DH is an electrical engineer for a nuclear power plant.
When it came time to put in our power to our pond he hired an electrician. His
reasoning was that the fellow knew housing codes inside and out. We also had it
inspected by our city so we were doubly sure we were up to code.
Being in nuclear power he always has to make sure all the bases are firmly
covered so as to not bring down the wrath of the NRC upon his head.
Same applies to our family and household.

I know lots and lots of folks have extension cords all over the place and do
their own electrical work.
The insurance issue and the legality of it all puts me on the side of being
extra careful and I'm glad we did it the way we did.


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

Nuclear pond?

Jim

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"Ka30P" wrote in message
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BV ~ Oh, I don't know nothing about those pesky electrons and H20 ;-)
BUT....
someone who was in the insurance
industry, once posted here about this
problem. In that if you have uninspected
work like this on your property, and you have
a fire, that your insurance can opt not to
cover your damage. Even if it had nothing to
do with the fire.

Be that as it may, my DH is an electrical engineer for a nuclear power
plant.
When it came time to put in our power to our pond he hired an electrician.
His
reasoning was that the fellow knew housing codes inside and out. We also
had it
inspected by our city so we were doubly sure we were up to code.
Being in nuclear power he always has to make sure all the bases are firmly
covered so as to not bring down the wrath of the NRC upon his head.
Same applies to our family and household.

I know lots and lots of folks have extension cords all over the place and
do
their own electrical work.
The insurance issue and the legality of it all puts me on the side of
being
extra careful and I'm glad we did it the way we did.


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

Jim wrote Nuclear pond?

Yep, you know they stick those rods
in the beautiful blue water... that's
where the three headed frogs come
from!


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

"Mike Patterson" wrote in message
...
snip
Haven't gotten around to it yet, but I plan to run 1/4" tubing (like
that used for refrigerator icemakers) inside the 1.5" line for water.
Since flow volume isn't a big deal for topping up, I think this will
be OK. Still have lots of space to run other low-current wiring & such
through the 1.5" pipe if I want to.

I'd recommend using a larger water tube. How long does it take to fill up a
glass of water from the fridge? Multiply that 200 gallons, and you've got an
afternoon of sitting by the pond waiting for it to top off. As someone who
has a tendency to wander off 10 minutes after turning on the hose, to return
to a flooded back yard, I think you'd want something a little faster.

Sameer

Mike,

Don't know how big your pond is, but I would recommend running a larger line
and using something like a toilet valve (Floating cylinder on post) as an
auto level device. Ours sticks out of a tupperware contained filled with
rocks. The koi haven't bothered it and we never worry about topping up the
pond. It works fine on the regular household PVC, 1/2". I would be
skittish, however, of running water and that kind of elec. in the same pipe.
The pvc will do fine on its own underground. Ours runs under our deck, up
against the beams.

Good luck.

Jim

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"Mike Patterson" wrote in message
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On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:05:55 -0500, "BenignVanilla"
wrote:

Right now, when I want to fill the pond, I drag a hose out from the
house.
If I wanted to put a spigot out back by the pond, what would be the best
material to use? Can I bury it in the same trench that I am using for an
electrical conduit?

I buried a 1.5" flexible (theoretically!) pipe from the house to the
pond and ran 1/2" electrical conduit in the same trench under it.

Haven't gotten around to it yet, but I plan to run 1/4" tubing (like
that used for refrigerator icemakers) inside the 1.5" line for water.
Since flow volume isn't a big deal for topping up, I think this will
be OK. Still have lots of space to run other low-current wiring & such
through the 1.5" pipe if I want to.

My thought was that since I went to the trouble to dig a trench, I
might as well set it up so I wouldn't be likely to need to dig it
again.

Just a thought.

Mike Patterson
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