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"Dsybok" wrote
[snip]
Why. I dont know, doesnt everyone have a cable modem and
new PC nowadays
anyway?

I live in a rural area which doesn't have cable
access and won't for a number of years. That's
true for a lot of people. Not everyone lives in a
suburban or urban area.

As far as a "new PC" goes - are you a PC
salesperson or what? If my "old" PC works
fine for my purposes, can handle the current virus
checker & other critical programs, why in all that's
reasonable should I spend money on a new one?
Just to have a shiny new PC? That makes ZERO
sense.

Gail

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Gail Futoran wrote:

"Dsybok" wrote
[snip]
Why. I dont know, doesnt everyone have a cable modem and
new PC nowadays
anyway?

I live in a rural area which doesn't have cable
access and won't for a number of years. That's
true for a lot of people. Not everyone lives in a
suburban or urban area.



I live in what was rural when we moved in 1977 but now is suburban. But,
since we have 5 acre lots, they won't bring cable to us or DSL due to
costs. The new super expensive, poorly built, mini lots of similar houses
near where we live all have cable of course but we can't get it. My
father tried a dish. Once set up, the dish was slower for internet than
dial up! The satellite is either too far away, or the trees are creating
interference. He didn't return it so lost a lot of money. So, satellite
for cable TV or internet won't work either. Luckily, we have semi-fast
internet at work but I have no sound, Java, video, etc. so I can't see all
those movies and things I want to even here! I like to complain! I want
fancy schmancy fast internet!



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You're right Gail. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. My little brother is a
computer programmer at SWTSU. After Win98 was out he was still using 3.1 at
home. Generally as each new operating system comes out it gets bigger, less
efficient and requires more memory, hard drive etc to run it. The only
problem is as time goes by and you have to replace parts they become harder
and more expensive to buy/find. And of course what happens to many is they
just decide they want to try some new 'gadgets'- bigger, higher res monitor,
newer software they really require for productivity, etc. You may find that
if cable modem ever becomes available your downloads are much faster if you
use something newer. What I have frequently done is just upgrade to a
higher technology, but not the most current which sometimes can be had for a
song. But there is frequently a frustrating learning curve, trying to work
out some issue. If you are happy with what you have, till you have to
replace it - don't.
btw - you used to note -'near SA'. I'm actually in Leander but have
relatives from San Marcos to Hondo and in between.
Have Fun!!
Bill Brister - Austin/Leander, Texas

Sorry, just my opinion. I always post in plain text because that is what
etiquette demands. I happen to think there are a lot of people who like to
cling to the past and dont realize that things change, and are trying to
keep the usenet stuck in the late 1980s. Thats fine, It doesn't bother me.

You can apply my opinion to posting binaries also. I dont do it, because it
would violate etiquette, but I also dont think that it should matter. I know
all the excuses as to why it shouldnt be done, and I dont buy any of them.
Im sorry if you dont agree, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

D

"Newbie Bill" wrote in message
om...
You're right Gail. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. My little brother is
a
computer programmer at SWTSU. After Win98 was out he was still using 3.1
at
home. Generally as each new operating system comes out it gets bigger,
less
efficient and requires more memory, hard drive etc to run it. The only
problem is as time goes by and you have to replace parts they become
harder
and more expensive to buy/find. And of course what happens to many is
they
just decide they want to try some new 'gadgets'- bigger, higher res
monitor,
newer software they really require for productivity, etc. You may find
that
if cable modem ever becomes available your downloads are much faster if
you
use something newer. What I have frequently done is just upgrade to a
higher technology, but not the most current which sometimes can be had for
a
song. But there is frequently a frustrating learning curve, trying to
work
out some issue. If you are happy with what you have, till you have to
replace it - don't.
btw - you used to note -'near SA'. I'm actually in Leander but have
relatives from San Marcos to Hondo and in between.
Have Fun!!
Bill Brister - Austin/Leander, Texas

nswong wrote:

BTW: Susan, do you put those "malicious things" in the webpages you
design? ;-)

Nope. However, as an admin whose email is all over the place due to the
nature of her work, I receive tons of malignant email and viruses when
ever there's an outbreak. (Usually around 1000 emails an hour. I'm
*not* kidding.) I use, by choice, email software that only has limited
capability to display html. (If I want to see it, I just launch the hml
in a browser.) The good thing about this is that I don't have to worry
about any unpleasant little surprises.

As you may have guessed, I was a programmer at one time so I know how to
write these thing but that's all just part of the process of learning
how they work so one can combat them.

Back to the discussion, I honestly can not see how anyone could not
"buy" the reasons why HTML (and binaries) should not be posted. It
seems to me as if one is bein deliberately blind to a large part of the
real world. I deal with people coming into our websites from all over
the world and all over the US. Fortunately, I live in an area that has
many options for high speed access and work for an employer who is
willing to pay for me to have that access from home. I also have big,
powerful workhorse computers in my office and at home because of the
nature of my work. This may be a necessity for me because of what I do
for a living but it's certainly not for 95% of the people I know.

Yeah, computers may be cheap(er) than they once were but expending $500
for a machine may mean not paying rent/mortgage, buying food, or
something else for a lot of people. According to a broadcast I heard ON
NPR this morning, computers are only in roughly 50% of american homes.
Besides, as someone else said, why buy new if your old one still
works? My dad, a retired nuclear engineer and computer scientist, only
uses his PC for email. He's still using a 300 mhz machine at home. Can
he afford a new one? Sure but why when this one still works. It may be
a little slow but he doesn't care.

And to bring this back around to ponds, if we don't spend the money on
new computers and high speed access, it's more monye we can spend on the
important things in life like our ponds!

Susan
shsimko[@]duke[.]edu

"Susan H. Simko" wrote in message
...

Besides, as someone else said, why buy new if your old one still
works?

I got the current computer at year 2001, with Windows ME, remain as
that to now. Will not get a new one as long as it still can play those
computer games that I want to play. g

And to bring this back around to ponds, if we don't spend the money
on
new computers and high speed access, it's more monye we can spend on
the
important things in life like our ponds!

Most of the ponds I'm plan for will for edible freshwater fauna,
included edible frog. But one of it will for goldfish, just for fun.

I'm lurking in this newsgroup to have an idea what option are
available to keep my operation cost down.

Regards,
Wong

--
Latitude: 06.10N Longitude: 102.17E Altitude: 5m

"Dsybok" wrote in message
ink.net...
| Yes their post was in HTML which is a newsgroup no no. I got the same
| message when replying. All you need to do is to highlight your text and go
| up to format and hit plain text and itll change your post to plain text.
You
| can simply reply in HTML which I think is the modern way of doing things,
| but some people get all uppity if you dont use plain text.
|
| Why. I dont know, doesnt everyone have a cable modem and new PC nowadays
| anyway?
|

Sadly.. no.
Some of us had to trade our DSL networks for two puters wired up with baling
twine and 44.2 k on a good day.
It really bugs me too.
Like going from my Cobra to an old tin Lizzie.

Kate





| D
| "Newbie Bill" wrote in message
| m...
| Another computer literacy question. Using Outlook Express and going
| through
| usenet I just responded to a post. When 'sending' I got message
| apparently
| I had composed in html. This has never happened before. Did I respond
to
| an html post (Will Koi stop growing) and that was the default? How do I
| change/check to make sure I am just using text based messages?
| Thanxx
| Bill Brister
|
|
|
|

"nswong" wrote
*snip*

I still got the habit of FilePropertiesDetailsMessage
| Source... to view in the raw source, instead open the email directly.
|

I do the same thing.
Somehow I still have trouble putting all of my faith into an AV program

Kate




| BTW: Susan, do you put those "malicious things" in the webpages you
| design? ;-)
|
| It also makes each piece of email larger and when
| one is using a limited access dial up connection, this makes a
| difference.
|
| This not just happen on dial up, but also to broadband. Slow access on
| broadband can cause by data communication channel traffic jam, or
| gateway server overloaded.
|
| Another issue of HTML are, newsreader tend to display it wrongly when
| the message are compose by another newsreader. e.g. Free Agent may
| display wrongly the message compose by Outlook Express, or the other
| way round. This is due to the Document Type and qirk implemented by
| each news client.
|
| Of cource, there is some news client that not even support HTML.
|
| Most of the modarated newsgroup will not accept HTML partly due to it
| make the auto modaration with software complicated.
|
| BTW: I'm sorry if I do have some spelling mistake.
|
| Regards,
| Wong
|
| --
| Latitude: 06.10N Longitude: 102.17E Altitude: 5m
|
|
|
|
|

"Susan H. Simko" writes:
BTW: Susan, do you put those "malicious things" in the webpages you
design? ;-)
Nope. However, as an admin whose email is all over the place due to the
nature of her work, I receive tons of malignant email and viruses when
sucks doesn't it... in addition to being an admin, I run quite a few
mailing lists, each having serveral addresses associated with them
(list-owner, list-request, list-approval, etc) and have has this email
address for a *long* time. I still get tons of spam, but CMU finally
put a filter on it that scans and rejects messages infected with a
virus. I know you're not kidding about the 1000/hr. Fortunately i
read this on a unix box.

Most people don't know about "image email verifiers" that have the
html mail fetch an image name which uniquely identifies the email
address as having being opened, and thus a verified valid email ripe
for more spam.

I'm disappointed with outlook not having some of the outlook express
features.... like "don't respond in original format" and "read only in
plain text".

Back to the discussion, I honestly can not see how anyone could not
"buy" the reasons why HTML (and binaries) should not be posted. It
almost as bad as top posting... or posting without editing original
message to minimum. AAAAARGH! drives me batty.

Besides, as someone else said, why buy new if your old one still
My main home machine is a 400MHZ Pentium II laptop.... it does nearly
everything i need it to do. (it is not great at streaming large video)
I have a few more power machines, but they've been off for a while.
I like the laptop portability. (we *love* our wireless network
connected to our DSL!)


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be safe.
flip
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"Newbie Bill" wrote in message
om...
You're right Gail. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. My
little brother is a
computer programmer at SWTSU. After Win98 was out he was
still using 3.1 at
home.

We have WIN ME - which BTW doesn't tend
to get attacked as much as XP since it's an
"old" system.

Generally as each new operating system comes out it gets
bigger, less
efficient and requires more memory, hard drive etc to run
it. The only
problem is as time goes by and you have to replace parts
they become harder
and more expensive to buy/find. And of course what
happens to many is they
just decide they want to try some new 'gadgets'- bigger,
higher res monitor,
newer software they really require for productivity, etc.
You may find that
if cable modem ever becomes available your downloads are
much faster if you
use something newer.

Slow downloads of heavy graphic sites is a
problem. I almost didn't put money down on
a new purebred kitty from a breeder in Dallas
because I could never download their very
heavy up-front site! But I persisted.

OTOH my most fun on the Internet is these
here newsygroups g which don't require
fast download speeds. (I ignore really large
posts, as when someone posts an image.)

What I have frequently done is just upgrade to a
higher technology, but not the most current which
sometimes can be had for a
song. But there is frequently a frustrating learning
curve, trying to work
out some issue.

Yep, that's true.

If you are happy with what you have, till you have to
replace it - don't.
btw - you used to note -'near SA'. I'm actually in
Leander but have
relatives from San Marcos to Hondo and in between.

I'm halfway between Seguin and Universal
City, in an unincorporated part of Guadalupe
county. There seem to be a fair number of
southcentral Texans into ponding. I usually
put "near San Antonio" since most people have
at least heard of it - what is it now, the 9th
largest city in the USA?

Have Fun!!
Bill Brister - Austin/Leander, Texas

You too - Gail