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Old May 6th 05, 11:55 PM
George
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"Nomen Nescio" wrote in message
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Post any problem you may be having under another header.
We have a lot of talented and knowledgeable people who post
here and they can solve just about any problem.
In fact we talk about anything!
religion
spanish class
flame wars
10 year old vendettas

Thanks to Carol; she did a nasty thing on ARJ-W, we all have to pay


Here is a Pond 101 page for new pond keepers ~
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30pig/*myhomepage/garden.html


kathy :-)
www.blogfromthebog.com
this week ~ flamewaring pigs like reel mckoi


There is a solution to the flame wars and all the spam. Other newsgroups use a
method that seems to work well. For instance, if you post to
alt.binaries.pictures.astro (a newsgroups for amatuer astronomers who want to
share their astrophotographs), you are requested to post "astro:" at the
beginning of the subject line. Then everyone, by mutual agreement, creates a
messege filter in their newsreader that filters out any post that doesn't have
"astro:" in the subject line. Why can't we all agree to put "PONDS:" in our
subject line when posting and then simply filter out any messege that doesn't
include "PONDS:"? I think we should include this in the FAQ, and ask everyone
to do this. It might not filter out all of it, but it certainly should help get
rid of a lot of it. And it might take a while to catch on, but if we all agree
to it, and remind people to do it when posting, it might alleviate some of the
crap. What say all???


  #12  
Old May 7th 05, 12:16 AM
~Roy~
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Surely you do not think anyone else could not easily put PONDS in the
subject line , thereby effectily getting past any filters invoked.
Filters are a joke, as they are much to easy to get around. In this
neck of the woods we usually eliminate the problem or
source........and being on this forum since 1996 is still not a
criteria for having any special or given rights than one person who
joins in today does............

On Fri, 06 May 2005 22:55:03 GMT, "George"
wrote:

===
==="Nomen Nescio" wrote in message
===news:c13669ef9af3a8deb93c30c5f54f027b@dizum. com...
===
===
===
=== Post any problem you may be having under another header.
=== We have a lot of talented and knowledgeable people who post
=== here and they can solve just about any problem.
=== In fact we talk about anything!
=== religion
=== spanish class
=== flame wars
=== 10 year old vendettas
===
=== Thanks to Carol; she did a nasty thing on ARJ-W, we all have to pay
===
===
=== Here is a Pond 101 page for new pond keepers ~
=== http://hometown.aol.com/ka30pig/*myhomepage/garden.html
===
===
=== kathy :-)
=== www.blogfromthebog.com
=== this week ~ flamewaring pigs like reel mckoi
===
===
===There is a solution to the flame wars and all the spam. Other newsgroups use a
===method that seems to work well. For instance, if you post to
===alt.binaries.pictures.astro (a newsgroups for amatuer astronomers who want to
===share their astrophotographs), you are requested to post "astro:" at the
===beginning of the subject line. Then everyone, by mutual agreement, creates a
===messege filter in their newsreader that filters out any post that doesn't have
==="astro:" in the subject line. Why can't we all agree to put "PONDS:" in our
===subject line when posting and then simply filter out any messege that doesn't
===include "PONDS:"? I think we should include this in the FAQ, and ask everyone
===to do this. It might not filter out all of it, but it certainly should help get
===rid of a lot of it. And it might take a while to catch on, but if we all agree
===to it, and remind people to do it when posting, it might alleviate some of the
===crap. What say all???
===



==============================================
Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
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Old May 7th 05, 12:25 AM
Reel McKoi
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"George" wrote in message
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And it might take a while to catch on, but if we all agree
to it, and remind people to do it when posting, it might alleviate some of

the
crap. What say all???

=========================
There's no way to stop the spammers, flooders, identity thieves and flamers
from doing the same thing to bypass filters.
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

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Old May 7th 05, 01:47 AM
cat daddy
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"Reel McKoi" wrote in message
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"George" wrote in message
news:bBSee.61153$c24.47196@attbi_s72...
And it might take a while to catch on, but if we all agree
to it, and remind people to do it when posting, it might alleviate some

of
the
crap. What say all???

=========================
There's no way to stop the spammers, flooders, identity thieves and

flamers
from doing the same thing to bypass filters.
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o


Well, here's one of your crossposted ****storms to keep the trolling
alive. Nothing's ever your fault, right?


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Old May 7th 05, 11:41 AM
George
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"~Roy~" wrote in message
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Surely you do not think anyone else could not easily put PONDS in the
subject line , thereby effectily getting past any filters invoked.
Filters are a joke, as they are much to easy to get around. In this
neck of the woods we usually eliminate the problem or
source........and being on this forum since 1996 is still not a
criteria for having any special or given rights than one person who
joins in today does............


No, I don't suggest that it is the end-all solution. That has to come from the
ISPs and/or the person doing the flaming. Besides this Jabriol person and a few
others (I particularly blame anyone who knowingly responds to the flaming),
there is the normal spam that comes around. If everyone agrees to use "PONDS:"
in their subject line, and writes a messege rule that excludes all others, at
least part of the problem is solved, because most annonymous mailers (and most
flamebots) won't know to include this in the subject line. And I completely
agree that it doesn't matter how long someone has been a subscriber to a
newsgroup. It is one's behavior that counts. So, just to let everyone know in
advance. I plan to post using "PONDS:" in the subject line. If you want to
respond to me, and expect that I will see it, you know what to do. Because I
will no longer respond to anyone who doesn't have it in the subject line. And I
may not, even then. I'm simply fed up with such childish, inappropriate use of
newsgroup that is supposed to be dedicated to such a great topic. GOD HAS
SPOKEN!


  #16  
Old May 7th 05, 11:42 AM
George
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"Reel McKoi" wrote in message
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"George" wrote in message
news:bBSee.61153$c24.47196@attbi_s72...
And it might take a while to catch on, but if we all agree
to it, and remind people to do it when posting, it might alleviate some of

the
crap. What say all???

=========================
There's no way to stop the spammers, flooders, identity thieves and flamers
from doing the same thing to bypass filters.
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o


Watch me.


  #17  
Old May 7th 05, 03:31 PM
Reel McKoi
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"George" wrote in message
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I plan to post using "PONDS:" in the subject line. If you want to
respond to me, and expect that I will see it, you know what to do. Because

I
will no longer respond to anyone who doesn't have it in the subject line.

And I
may not, even then. I'm simply fed up with such childish, inappropriate

use of
newsgroup that is supposed to be dedicated to such a great topic. GOD HAS
SPOKEN!

======================
But what's to stop the flamers from using "PONDS" in the subject header?
He's already forging *my* headers. I didn't write the post above that you
thought I did.
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

  #18  
Old May 8th 05, 04:39 AM
George
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"Reel McKoi" wrote in message
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"George" wrote in message
news:QX0fe.61948$c24.59328@attbi_s72...
I plan to post using "PONDS:" in the subject line. If you want to
respond to me, and expect that I will see it, you know what to do. Because

I
will no longer respond to anyone who doesn't have it in the subject line.

And I
may not, even then. I'm simply fed up with such childish, inappropriate

use of
newsgroup that is supposed to be dedicated to such a great topic. GOD HAS
SPOKEN!

======================
But what's to stop the flamers from using "PONDS" in the subject header?
He's already forging *my* headers. I didn't write the post above that you
thought I did.
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o


Yes I know that. I don't know the answer. What I do know is that I'm no longer
going to respond to any post that doesn't have it in it. If that means that I
have to miss out on some good posts, or most posts so be it. I come here to
relax and enjoy reading and interacting with others on this topic, and I refuse
to get pulled into a flame war.


  #19  
Old May 8th 05, 10:32 AM
J.D. Stone
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"George" wrote in message
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in part..


Why can't we all agree to put "PONDS:" in our
subject line when posting and then simply filter out any messege that
doesn't include "PONDS:"? I think we should include this in the FAQ, and
ask everyone to do this. It might not filter out all of it, but it
certainly should help get rid of a lot of it. And it might take a while
to catch on, but if we all agree to it, and remind people to do it when
posting, it might alleviate some of the crap. What say all???

Only problem I see is it creates a little community that never notices
newbies who wouldn't know better. As can be seen by some of the newbie posts
we see, not everyone reads the newsgroup FAQ, even if they can find it. Plus
it wouldn't work..trolls figure these things out anyway, they have nothing
better to do. I just filter the sources when they show up. Speaking of which
brings up a question. I use OE (chastise me not flamers, I am too lazy to
bother getting anything else). The view is set to hide read or ignored, yet
when I first open the reader is shows some at the top of the list. I swap
the view around and they go away but they shouldn't be there to begin with.
Anyone know why this happens?
JD
http://www2.itexas.net/jdstone/


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Old May 8th 05, 04:54 PM
Derek Broughton
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J.D. Stone wrote:


"George" wrote in message
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in part..


Why can't we all agree to put "PONDS:" in our
subject line when posting


Only problem I see is it creates a little community that never notices
newbies who wouldn't know better.


And it's redundant in a pond group.


Speaking of which brings up a question. I use OE (chastise me not flamers,
I am too lazy to bother getting anything else).


I'm pretty sure the laziness is the reason we should be chastising you :-)

The view is set to hide
read or ignored, yet when I first open the reader is shows some at the top
of the list. I swap the view around and they go away but they shouldn't be
there to begin with. Anyone know why this happens?


No. I've never been able to understand OE (and despite being a Linux geek,
I actually quite like OE). I really think you'd have an easier time
learning another news program than getting OE to behave.
--
derek
 




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