Is it Human?

"robpar" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:31:58 -0400, "Johnny"
wrote:


"Bill" wrote in message
t...
Your opposition to abortion is obviously based on your religious
beliefs.
That's fine.
If you can convince a women not to abort a fetus that is fine.

People should however be able to conform to their own religious beliefs
"PROVIDED" they do
not attempt to FORCE their beliefs on others.

Do you mean people are not supposed to be represented in the USA via
Constitutional government and to accept Roe V Wade being FORCED upon them?

Look stupid, abortions are not forced on anyone.

Bull****. Abortion on demand is the unrepresentative dictate of the Supreme
Court since 1973.

However their are
a large number of self righteous bigots, like your self that would
deny women any rights at all.

There you go falling down on the sexist line again.
Why do you ignore and neglect men in the USA?
Why are you so partial based on gender?
Why don't you go ahead and make up the lie that abortion on demand is only
for women and that the full responsibility falls upon them with regard to
childbearing and the choices of abortion or no abortion in each pregnancy?
Why are you SO ****ING STUPID when it comes to knowing how to require MEN to
behave properly?
Has to be because you are not well-behaved as a man enough.
Your excuses are unattractive and they are full of disrepsect for women AND
men.

Returning us to the dark ages when women
were property, with no rights.

You're the unrighteous, bigoted, misbehaved, erroneous excuse maker here.
How many more excuses you need?
How many times you going to your criminal friends whether they are relatives
or otherwise and arranging some wicked scheme to protect yourself while you
KNOW that you are doing harm, actual harm to others in the USA?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!

That's the christian way, hate filled
nosy busy bodies.

You are the person who is filled with hate.
Believe it.
Take the GOD DAMNED LOG OUT OF YOUR OWN EYE, ASSHOLE, and stop trying to
remove a miniscule speck from the eyes of those who are proven to outperform
you in almost every aspect of life.

The scum of the earth.

YOU and your ilk.

"Charles & Mambo Duckman" wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:

Do you mean people are not supposed to be represented in the USA via
Constitutional government and to accept Roe V Wade being FORCED upon
them?

Allowing certain people certain freedoms that in no way impinge on anyone
else's freedoms cannot be called "forcing upon" by any stretch of
imagination.

BULL****.
Read the Constitution and notice how Roe V Wade is an unrepresentative,
unconstitutional edict by too few persons in the USA.

Therefore your statement above is pure nonsense,

Bull****.
Your statement is not in line with the Constitutional framework of
government in the USA.

unless you have an example of anyone being forced to undergo abortion
against her wishes.

That is NOT the issue.
The issue is that Roe V Wade is illegal.

In article ,
"Johnny" wrote:

"Charles & Mambo Duckman" wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:

Do you mean people are not supposed to be represented in the USA via
Constitutional government and to accept Roe V Wade being FORCED upon
them?

Allowing certain people certain freedoms that in no way impinge on anyone
else's freedoms cannot be called "forcing upon" by any stretch of
imagination.

BULL****.
Read the Constitution and notice how Roe V Wade is an unrepresentative,
unconstitutional edict by too few persons in the USA.

Your going to have to prove your assertion here. Please cite some source
that says that the majority of people in the USA want to stop others
from having abortions.

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:53:35 -0400, "Johnny"
wrote:


"Charles & Mambo Duckman" wrote in message
...
Johnny wrote:

Do you mean people are not supposed to be represented in the USA via
Constitutional government and to accept Roe V Wade being FORCED upon
them?

Allowing certain people certain freedoms that in no way impinge on anyone
else's freedoms cannot be called "forcing upon" by any stretch of
imagination.

BULL****.
Read the Constitution and notice how Roe V Wade is an unrepresentative,
unconstitutional edict by too few persons in the USA.

Therefore your statement above is pure nonsense,

Bull****.
Your statement is not in line with the Constitutional framework of
government in the USA.

unless you have an example of anyone being forced to undergo abortion
against her wishes.

That is NOT the issue.
The issue is that Roe V Wade is illegal.



Nope the issue is do self righteous bigots have the rights to
make decisions, for others. The supreme court rightly decided that you
do not have that right, that women have the right to make such
decisions for them selves. And that self righteous bigots cannot force
their beliefs on others.
The laws prohibiting women from having a choice was illegal
(unconstitional). Probably the best ruling the court has ever made.

Johnny wrote:

"Attila" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:31:58 -0400, "Johnny"
in alt.abortion with message-id
wrote:


"Bill" wrote in message
et...
Your opposition to abortion is obviously based on your religious
beliefs.
That's fine.
If you can convince a women not to abort a fetus that is fine.

People should however be able to conform to their own religious beliefs
"PROVIDED" they do
not attempt to FORCE their beliefs on others.

Do you mean people are not supposed to be represented in the USA via
Constitutional government and to accept Roe V Wade being FORCED upon them?

Exactly how is someone who is opposed to abortion forced to do
anything under R v W?

They are forced to agree with an unrepresentative, unconstitutionally

Try not to be such a stupid asshole. They struck down laws that were
unconstitutional.

--
Ray Fischer

Johnny wrote:

"Charles & Mambo Duckman" wrote in message
...
Johnny wrote:

Do you mean people are not supposed to be represented in the USA via
Constitutional government and to accept Roe V Wade being FORCED upon
them?

Allowing certain people certain freedoms that in no way impinge on anyone
else's freedoms cannot be called "forcing upon" by any stretch of
imagination.

BULL****.
Read the Constitution and notice how Roe V Wade is an unrepresentative,
unconstitutional edict

So I read the constitution and find that you're a lying moron.

--
Ray Fischer

I am a non-believer and I still think abortion is wrong, so you see it is
not just a debate with religion. When people do it because they feel that
they do not want to put up with raising a child or that they are not
prepared for it, they should not be allowed to destroy the life of another
human being to rid themselves of the responsibility that they themselves
caused to happen. My own mother gave birth to me at 16 years old and had
gotten pregnant with me while still 15 and had three more little accidents
follow. Against the wishes of my grandfather, she chose not to terminate her
pregnancy when she discovered I was on the way. She may have had to drop out
of school, but she has done an excellent job at handling the responsibility
of raising the four children she ended up with. Now, at 16 myself, I
appreciate the life she let me keep and I know that on every occasion my
grandfather sees me, he eats the words he once said to his pregnant daughter
because he would have never known his grandchild if she had killed me.
Another instance of abortion in my family came up before my mother conceived
me. This was when my aunt decided to have one after finding that she was
knocked up from the decision that SHE and her boyfriend had made to have
unprotected sex. Being a person with a conscience she ended up being very
depressed when the realization of what she had done hit her. When she
finally got married and wanted children she could not have them no matter
how hard she and my uncle tried, and this was because of what damage the
abortion had done to her uterus. Luckily for her, she did end up by some
miracle conceiving my cousin, but still to this day regrets ending the life
of her first child who we never had a chance to meet. In some cases abortion
could be considered necessary, such as rape(how many women would want that
permanent attachent to their attacker which they did nothing to provoke?),
incest(for the risk of mental problems and physical deformities), or
possibly losing your own life carrying or delivering your child(what can you
do for your child if you are dead?). I feel these are the ONLY exceptions
doctors should allow for abortions to be carried out. All other reasons for
abortions, whether it be one night stands or sex with a serious partner,
that you do not want to accept responsibility for because you are too damn
lazy or selfish, deserve no less than utter rejection.



"Charles & Mambo Duckman" wrote in message
...
Kathy wrote:

Why would any woman want to terminate the life of a human that is
developing within herself? The answer may not please those who favor
abortion. But the fact remains that selfishness is often at the root
of the problem. It is usually an evasion of responsibility.

Is that right? And where is this "fact" coming from?

Andrew Hacker, writing in Harper’s magazine, made this point: “In
fact, abortion conceals a basic social conflict, but one we are not
prepared to discuss. The subject is sexual intercourse.” For many
people sex is a very important pastime. They want to enjoy it fully,
but they do not want the responsibility of taking care of a natural
consequence of sex—a baby! Abortion is a method of birth control—a
very sick method—used not only in Japan but in many parts of the
world.

So what?

Many people are addicted to the pursuit of pleasure. Their respect
for life is overshadowed by their selfish pursuit of sexual pleasure.

Oooh, get on the phone and call the pleasure police!

The Bible says: “In the last days critical times hard to deal with
will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves” and “lovers of
pleasures rather than lovers of God.” Is it not obvious that this
condition prevails in our day?—2 Timothy 3:1-4.

Who gives a flying **** what the Bible says?

Proponents of abortion use expressions to cover the real atrocity
that is committed. They refer to “the products of conception” and the
“contents of the uterus.” The actual act of abortion is called the
“termination of pregnancy.” They try to avoid the moral issue. But
the honest truth, simply put, is this: Abortion is the killing of a
human.

No, it isn't. A fetus is not a human, no matter how hard you ****ed up
religionists are trying to twist biology.

It makes no difference whether the life is snuffed out in the
uterus within 12 weeks of conception or whether it is choked to death
12 minutes after it is born! It has been killed.

Only in the mind of a ****ed up religionist.

In Britain, after a 24-week-old aborted fetus lived for 10 minutes,
it is reported that two of the nurses had “horrific nightmares.” Some
have quit their profession after such abortion incidents. Seeing the
helpless aborted fetus struggling to live is not a pleasant
experience!

You don't say? And what other imaginary events have taken place in your
fantasy world?

"... a 24-week-old aborted fetus lived for 10 minutes..."

Lying for Jesus again, are we?

Lying ****.


--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood

Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House

Amber Bohnett wrote:

I am a non-believer and I still think abortion is wrong, so you see it is
not just a debate with religion. When people do it because they feel that
they do not want to put up with raising a child or that they are not
prepared for it, they should not be allowed to destroy the life of another
human being to rid themselves of the responsibility that they themselves
caused to happen.
[snip bullcrap]
In some cases abortion
could be considered necessary, such as rape(how many women would want that
permanent attachent to their attacker which they did nothing to provoke?),
incest(for the risk of mental problems and physical deformities), or
possibly losing your own life carrying or delivering your child(what can you
do for your child if you are dead?). I feel these are the ONLY exceptions
doctors should allow for abortions to be carried out.

How so? First you claim that abortion is "destroying the life of another
human being", then you proceed to claim with a straight face that it is
perfectly acceptable to destroy the "life of another human being" if his
father happens to be a rapist. Doesn't that strike you as a little hypocritical?

All other reasons for
abortions, whether it be one night stands or sex with a serious partner,
that you do not want to accept responsibility for because you are too damn
lazy or selfish, deserve no less than utter rejection.

So don't do it. No one is forcing you to abort if you don't want to.
However, you can't have it both ways - protect the "life of another human
being" when it suits your parochial definition of the day, then "destroy" it
when you happen to feel like it.




--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood

Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House

Amber Bohnett wrote:
I am a non-believer and I still think abortion is wrong, so you see it is
not just a debate with religion.

It's a question of whether society should punish a woman for choosing
to have an abortion. Society has the alternative of compensating a
woman for not having an abortion.

--
Ron

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:12:40 GMT, "Amber Bohnett"
wrote:

So don't have one. What gives you the right to make such a
important decision for others? Why are you such a bigot that you
believe that everyone should live according to your beliefs?
Incidentally many christians believe that certain people should not be
allowed to have children. Where other should be brood sows to produce
more christians.

I am a non-believer and I still think abortion is wrong, so you see it is
not just a debate with religion. When people do it because they feel that
they do not want to put up with raising a child or that they are not
prepared for it, they should not be allowed to destroy the life of another
human being to rid themselves of the responsibility that they themselves
caused to happen. My own mother gave birth to me at 16 years old and had
gotten pregnant with me while still 15 and had three more little accidents
follow. Against the wishes of my grandfather, she chose not to terminate her
pregnancy when she discovered I was on the way. She may have had to drop out
of school, but she has done an excellent job at handling the responsibility
of raising the four children she ended up with. Now, at 16 myself, I
appreciate the life she let me keep and I know that on every occasion my
grandfather sees me, he eats the words he once said to his pregnant daughter
because he would have never known his grandchild if she had killed me.
Another instance of abortion in my family came up before my mother conceived
me. This was when my aunt decided to have one after finding that she was
knocked up from the decision that SHE and her boyfriend had made to have
unprotected sex. Being a person with a conscience she ended up being very
depressed when the realization of what she had done hit her. When she
finally got married and wanted children she could not have them no matter
how hard she and my uncle tried, and this was because of what damage the
abortion had done to her uterus. Luckily for her, she did end up by some
miracle conceiving my cousin, but still to this day regrets ending the life
of her first child who we never had a chance to meet. In some cases abortion
could be considered necessary, such as rape(how many women would want that
permanent attachent to their attacker which they did nothing to provoke?),
incest(for the risk of mental problems and physical deformities), or
possibly losing your own life carrying or delivering your child(what can you
do for your child if you are dead?). I feel these are the ONLY exceptions
doctors should allow for abortions to be carried out. All other reasons for
abortions, whether it be one night stands or sex with a serious partner,
that you do not want to accept responsibility for because you are too damn
lazy or selfish, deserve no less than utter rejection.



"Charles & Mambo Duckman" wrote in message
...
Kathy wrote:

Why would any woman want to terminate the life of a human that is
developing within herself? The answer may not please those who favor
abortion. But the fact remains that selfishness is often at the root
of the problem. It is usually an evasion of responsibility.

Is that right? And where is this "fact" coming from?

Andrew Hacker, writing in Harper’s magazine, made this point: “In
fact, abortion conceals a basic social conflict, but one we are not
prepared to discuss. The subject is sexual intercourse.” For many
people sex is a very important pastime. They want to enjoy it fully,
but they do not want the responsibility of taking care of a natural
consequence of sex—a baby! Abortion is a method of birth control—a
very sick method—used not only in Japan but in many parts of the
world.

So what?

Many people are addicted to the pursuit of pleasure. Their respect
for life is overshadowed by their selfish pursuit of sexual pleasure.

Oooh, get on the phone and call the pleasure police!

The Bible says: “In the last days critical times hard to deal with
will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves” and “lovers of
pleasures rather than lovers of God.” Is it not obvious that this
condition prevails in our day?—2 Timothy 3:1-4.

Who gives a flying **** what the Bible says?

Proponents of abortion use expressions to cover the real atrocity
that is committed. They refer to “the products of conception” and the
“contents of the uterus.” The actual act of abortion is called the
“termination of pregnancy.” They try to avoid the moral issue. But
the honest truth, simply put, is this: Abortion is the killing of a
human.

No, it isn't. A fetus is not a human, no matter how hard you ****ed up
religionists are trying to twist biology.

It makes no difference whether the life is snuffed out in the
uterus within 12 weeks of conception or whether it is choked to death
12 minutes after it is born! It has been killed.

Only in the mind of a ****ed up religionist.

In Britain, after a 24-week-old aborted fetus lived for 10 minutes,
it is reported that two of the nurses had “horrific nightmares.” Some
have quit their profession after such abortion incidents. Seeing the
helpless aborted fetus struggling to live is not a pleasant
experience!

You don't say? And what other imaginary events have taken place in your
fantasy world?

"... a 24-week-old aborted fetus lived for 10 minutes..."

Lying for Jesus again, are we?

Lying ****.


--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood

Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House