koi ulcer question

"~ janj JJsPond.us" wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:26:12 -0400, "*muffin*" wrote:

so , you are saying they did get better with just the lymnozyme use?

I'll agree with that, assuming the ulcers aren't too deep. What color are
they? If white, that is good healing, equal to a healthy scab on us.

If the ulcers are bad, red, and getting worst, remove and put an end to
the
fish as their stress becomes a stress to the rest of the fish. ~ jan



the fish are very active, swimming, eating. the 'wound' on the lemon colored
one, looks reddish/black. the wound on the gold one. looks about the same as
the rest of the fish, only it is 'puffy' with scales missing.

(oh, I'll try to get a picture of them)

~~~~ waves to Jan!

You want to keep up the lymozyme on an ongoing basis - as I understand
it it "crowds out" the bad Aeromonas bacteria that would otherwise
infect your fish at any wound site.

I would suggest the addition of salt.
Referring to Erik Johnson DVM "Koi Health and Disease" for ulcers he
recommends 0.33% salt (2.5 lb/100 Gal) dividing the dose in to 3 parts
and adding over three days to avoid stressing the fish and filter. The
salt deters parasites and reduces stress on the fish by reducing the
osmotic pressure on them (their organs have to work to excrete water
from their tissues to maintain the right salt level in their bodies -
salt in the water = less work to maintain them selves).

If possible raise water temperature to 74-76 degrees Helps if you have
a "hospital tank".

Good luck bringing your fish back to health.
I hate to loose a fish no mater how much/little I have paid for them - I
just feel responsible.

Cheers.



*muffin* wrote:

I guess I'll just make sure the lymnozyme is kept up.. I also didn't have
any problems in the past when using the stuff,, but never had to deal with
injuries like this.

so , you are saying they did get better with just the lymnozyme use?

my injuries are a "bunch" of scales & 'meat' scraped off about the size
between a nickle & quarter.

"Greg Cooper" wrote in message
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You want to keep up the lymozyme on an ongoing basis - as I understand
it it "crowds out" the bad Aeromonas bacteria that would otherwise
infect your fish at any wound site.
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And it does this very well. Even if they already have an ulcer - the ulcer
will heal rapidly. At least that's been my experience. We use it a few
times in the spring and keep it refrigerated at all times. The store we get
it from also keeps it cold.
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before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED.
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Koizyme is the same as Lymnozyme...........and its not designed to
CURE anything.Its merely designed to reduce infectious bateria levels,
giving a fish a hopefull edge in over coming a problem....It will not
cure or wipe out an infection by any means .......Pristine good
quality water in a QT will do the same thing, give your fish an edge
on potential problems.............



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"The original frugal ponder"
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Feed them to your Cat. And don't be so dumb the next time.


*muffin* wrote:
due to 'stupidity' on my part, I have 2 8" koi that have an ulcer on their
side, due to injury ( believe me , I could NOT believe what I almost did to
my fish...... don't ask).

anyway, I have been treating the pond with melafix,, have lymnozyme in it, &
adding koi clay. its been a week, & the ulcers do not look much better. I do
NOT feel like putting in another $40. worth of meds after this round is
complete in a few days.(for koi that are worth $20. a piece.. they used up
their cost replacement already)

is there any chance they will eventually heal on their own??


don't suggest a smaller quarantine tank, as that was part of my original
problem.......