Shelf life of pond bacteria

Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond ~ janj at
was heard opining:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:50:36 GMT, "Snooze" wrote:

I never believe any company that hides behind the excuse of
"proprietary formula." Any potential competitor would just send a
sample to a lab and soon know not only which micronutrients are in
there, and in what quantity. A few bucks more, and they'd even know
what bacteria are in the bottle.
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Good research. I too was skeptical of Koizyme, but I called rather
than used e-mail, when it first came out. My main point of the call
was what was different about it in regards to any other bacteria for
filter start up?

What I heard was believable and figured it was worth a try. Especially
since I have rock around the edges and my koi are known to get nicks
every now and then.... and when I was over stocked I ended up loosing
a few to ulcers.

Since then I've been using the koizyme for 3 years and so far so
good. I do currently have one fish that went into winter with a small
mark on its nose. So far the mark hasn't gotten worst an I'm hoping
with warmer temps, and Koizyme it will not need further treatment. ~
jan --------------
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*Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG*

I haven't had one fish come up with ulcers since using Koi-Zyme. Every
spring they get a bit beat up spawning through the plants which are in
plastic pots and any rocks along the edges they come in contact with. They
lose scales etc. but never get ulcers. The wounds heal rapidly. It's worth
every penny I pay for it. It's $15 here and I add it until it's all used
up. The bottles have dates on them.
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Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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It has been proven through tests that NONE of these additives do anything,
good or bad, to a pond. They are worthless.

"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
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Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond Snooze at
was heard opining:

"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
...

I've had ponds since 1995 and never added anything but KoiZyme which
is supposed to out-compete the bacteria that cause ulcer-disease of
koi and GF. I believe it works as this disease has not occurred
since I've been adding it to my ponds. I buy it fresh and add it
every spring.

Have you read the faq for their product? http://www.koizyme.com/faq.html
"This is due to the fact that Koizyme only lives in your pond for 3
to 4 days (it has gone through it's complete life cycle at that
point)."
Even if it was bottled only 1 month before you purchased it, the
stuff has gone through 10 life cycles. Or am I supposed to believe in
the bottle it undergoes some kind of suspended animation.

Believe what you choose and need to believe. I purchase it every spring,
use it until I run out and haven't had a problem with ulcer disease since.

"The Koizyme bacteria's do not consume ammonia or nitrites, therefore
they do not compete with your filter."

I didn't say they did. I said what I added to my ponds.

Of course not, it died 3-4 days after it was bottled. Plus you claim
to prevent something

So they're selling DEAD KoiZyme that works!!!!

"KoiZyme - the pro-biotic that effectively prevents Ulcer Disease.
KoiZyme
contains no chemicals, no medications and no antibiotics of
any kind. It is a proprietary, organic preparation of non-pathogenic
bacteria, enzymes and micro-nutrients, and it works on the
established principle of an accepted scientific process widely known
in commercial aquaculture management called Competitive Exclusion."

Exactly!

It only works if you fail to understand what competitive exclusion
is. Based on the faq, at best it's a brief competitor. No way it can
achieve competitive exclusion and die off in 4 days.

Wow!!! So they're selling a useless DEAD product that works!!!! It's
wonder they get away with such a crime. Actually I couldn't care less if
it's dead or alive as long as it works - and it does.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
*Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on the pond and aquaria groups*
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Worthless to all except those that sell or make the worthless
junk.....For all you know they use old left over bakers yeast or dogs
bath water and bottle it all up and make a small fortune from the
sales of it..... But if it makes ya feel good go for it......
On Mon, 01 May 2006 23:48:06 GMT, "utsuri99"
wrote:
It has been proven through tests that NONE of these additives do anything,
good or bad, to a pond. They are worthless.

"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
...
Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond Snooze at
was heard opining:

"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
...

I've had ponds since 1995 and never added anything but KoiZyme which
is supposed to out-compete the bacteria that cause ulcer-disease of
koi and GF. I believe it works as this disease has not occurred
since I've been adding it to my ponds. I buy it fresh and add it
every spring.

Have you read the faq for their product? http://www.koizyme.com/faq.html
"This is due to the fact that Koizyme only lives in your pond for 3
to 4 days (it has gone through it's complete life cycle at that
point)."
Even if it was bottled only 1 month before you purchased it, the
stuff has gone through 10 life cycles. Or am I supposed to believe in
the bottle it undergoes some kind of suspended animation.

Believe what you choose and need to believe. I purchase it every spring,
use it until I run out and haven't had a problem with ulcer disease since.

"The Koizyme bacteria's do not consume ammonia or nitrites, therefore
they do not compete with your filter."

I didn't say they did. I said what I added to my ponds.

Of course not, it died 3-4 days after it was bottled. Plus you claim
to prevent something

So they're selling DEAD KoiZyme that works!!!!

"KoiZyme - the pro-biotic that effectively prevents Ulcer Disease.
KoiZyme
contains no chemicals, no medications and no antibiotics of
any kind. It is a proprietary, organic preparation of non-pathogenic
bacteria, enzymes and micro-nutrients, and it works on the
established principle of an accepted scientific process widely known
in commercial aquaculture management called Competitive Exclusion."

Exactly!

It only works if you fail to understand what competitive exclusion
is. Based on the faq, at best it's a brief competitor. No way it can
achieve competitive exclusion and die off in 4 days.

Wow!!! So they're selling a useless DEAD product that works!!!! It's
wonder they get away with such a crime. Actually I couldn't care less if
it's dead or alive as long as it works - and it does.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
*Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on the pond and aquaria groups*
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o








Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1982.
Aquariums since 1956.
Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
*Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds.
But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo.
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*Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG*

"utsuri99" wrote in message
.. .
It has been proven through tests that NONE of these additives do anything,
good or bad, to a pond. They are worthless.
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I'm sure most are. However, since using KoiZyme, not one koi or GF has
developed ulcers in our ponds.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o