Questions about Ich

"Tynk" wrote in
ups.com:

I'll have to disagree with you about Quick Cure being magic.
As long as you treat for a full week. I know it only says 3 days on
the bottle, but we all know the cycle of Ich is longer than 3 days.
Treat for a week and the Ich is gone like magic. = )

Well let me put it this way; I have had a hell of a lot of experience in my
use of QuickCure over the past two years on hundreds of subjects. If you
want it to work like magic you have to address all the variables leading to
the infestation, and not just medicate for the free-swimming parasites
themselves. It is possible for an animal to remain infested with Ich cysts
for over a week on a full and regular dosage of QuickCure if the cause or
contributes of immune system failure is not recognized and addressed. I
have seen it on a number of occasions on a number of subjects including
cichlids, goldfish, loaches, and platys to name a few.

In most circumstances QuickCure works very well on its own, but it is not
magic. Other variables including stress and general health play a major
role in proper recovery from an infestation. If you've faced the disease
as often as I have you will eventually encounter an occurrence that
requires more care than simply throwing a formalin and Malachite green at
it.

"dc" wrote in message
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"Tynk" wrote in
ups.com:

I'll have to disagree with you about Quick Cure being magic.
As long as you treat for a full week. I know it only says 3 days on
the bottle, but we all know the cycle of Ich is longer than 3 days.
Treat for a week and the Ich is gone like magic. = )

Well let me put it this way; I have had a hell of a lot of experience in
my
use of QuickCure over the past two years on hundreds of subjects. If you
want it to work like magic you have to address all the variables leading
to
the infestation, and not just medicate for the free-swimming parasites
themselves. It is possible for an animal to remain infested with Ich
cysts
for over a week on a full and regular dosage of QuickCure if the cause or
contributes of immune system failure is not recognized and addressed. I
have seen it on a number of occasions on a number of subjects including
cichlids, goldfish, loaches, and platys to name a few.

In most circumstances QuickCure works very well on its own, but it is not
magic. Other variables including stress and general health play a major
role in proper recovery from an infestation. If you've faced the disease
as often as I have you will eventually encounter an occurrence that
requires more care than simply throwing a formalin and Malachite green at
it.

dc I just wanna say cheers for some great posts there.
very well done
I have also faced whitespot too many times to like.
My worst cases have followed powerloss to all tanks.
extreme stress and then shipments of new fish.
Sooner or later if your quarantine isn't good you get an outbreak.
Don't rinse nets or have a system?
Could have a nice outbreak.
But yea fish hide their symptoms as long as possible
It's how they prevent being 'thinned from the herd'
And every disease/parasite ONLY usually becomes a problem when the
environment favours it over the host.
For whitespot I like heat and salt.
up to 30 deg C
prob 1 tablespoon of swimming pool salt per 20L
and then the malachite
and usually a bit of melafix to help them patch up.
water change after 3 days, retreat water change after 3 days, retreat.
then after those 9 days I turn the temp slowly down.

Good food is a good way to heal fish too
I think spirulina flake is worthy
as are mozzie larvae
and chopped shrimp/prawn and chopped peas
earthworms and duckweed
a healthy diet and good water gives fish a bloody good chance at fighting
off almost anything
and when that fails massive doses of steroids, antibiotics and other
additives and technology can be used to keep them alive.
clean water and good food is cheaper tho.

Köi-Lö wrote:


Have you ever tried heat and salt for ick on Clown Loaches? Did it work?

As bad of an infestation as this Loach had, no way. Salt and higher
temps would take too long.

dc wrote:

In most circumstances QuickCure works very well on its own, but it is not
magic. Other variables including stress and general health play a major
role in proper recovery from an infestation.

Well of course. This is common knowledge and concerns every disease or
parasite out there. It's not just with Ich, or using Quick Cure.

The point in my disagreement with you on it working like "magic" on Ich
is that over many years, I have experienced the best results with this
particular medication.
And yes.....I have had many cases of Ich in my time in this hobby. I've
also dealt with many other diseases that no medication took care of,
then treated it with Q.C. and it cleared up.
Quick Cure is the only medication, besides Jungle's Fungus Eliminator,
that I keep in my cabinet at all times (besides salt).
Close to 30 yrs of experience and that's what I have found to work
wonders.
(Swarve....don't blow a gasket because I mentioned how long I've ben in
the hobby, lol..it has nothing to do with boasting!) = )

"Tynk" wrote in
oups.com:

The point in my disagreement with you on it working like "magic" on
Ich is that over many years, I have experienced the best results with
this particular medication.

Perhaps we only differ on semantics then.

I agree QuickCure is the fastest and most effective chemical available for
combating Ich, but it is ignorant to ignore the contributing factors to the
problem and rely only on the medication to fix the problem.

Without addressing the causes to the outbreak in the first place you are
only addressing part of the problem. Ich is rarely responsible for the
death of an afflicted fish on its own. The overriding factors that
generated a situation the parasite could flourish in the first place are
often just if not more responsible for the death of a sick fish than the
parasite itself. The parasite merely takes advantage of this weakness to
thrive. If one only relies on the medication to solve the problem they
will eventually encounter a situation where the medication is unable to
eliminate the infestation on its own.

With all due respect owed to your thirty years of fish keeping, I work in
an environment with over 200 aquariums where stock turns over regularly-
this is the perfect environment for one to encounter just about any kind of
fish disease--depending on the season and the new stock Ich can be an
almost weekly occurrence.

The only medication I have heard is as effective as QuickCure against
protozoan parasites like Ich is Tetra's Lifeguard, a chlorine based
medication, but I have yet to try it myself.

(Swarve....don't blow a gasket because I mentioned how long I've ben in
the hobby, lol..it has nothing to do with boasting!) = )

whatever tossa
Your here, I'm here
convo is taking place
I can dig it

With all due respect owed to your thirty years of fish keeping, I work in
an environment with over 200 aquariums where stock turns over regularly-
this is the perfect environment for one to encounter just about any kind
of
fish disease--depending on the season and the new stock Ich can be an
almost weekly occurrence.



W000000T
my enviro would be over 200 if I included the 50 betta tanks
but without them about 180 X 2 to 8 footers
goldys to marine
I actually don't mind the wardleys ich meds
they are very very strong
I like that
makes medication time fun
what with the cool green med rings
very cool
heat and salt is the go
and dips
no one ever talks about dips anymore
if you have time they do wonders

Swarve...


(Swarve....don't blow a gasket because I mentioned how long I've ben in
the hobby, lol..it has nothing to do with boasting!) = )

whatever tossa
Your here, I'm here
convo is taking place
I can dig it

I meant this as a joke....I hope it came it out that way.
I really wish there were different fonts for being silly, mad, sarcasm,
etc.
That way folks could "hear" how somebody writes something.
Just thought I'd make a little note because now that I'm going through
the rest of the thread it didn't "sound" like I had meant it to.

"swarvegorilla" wrote in message
...
(Swarve....don't blow a gasket because I mentioned how long I've ben in
the hobby, lol..it has nothing to do with boasting!) = )

whatever tossa
Your here, I'm here
convo is taking place
I can dig it



Idiot.

"Tynk" wrote in message
oups.com...

Swarve...


(Swarve....don't blow a gasket because I mentioned how long I've ben in
the hobby, lol..it has nothing to do with boasting!) = )

whatever tossa
Your here, I'm here
convo is taking place
I can dig it

I meant this as a joke....I hope it came it out that way.
I really wish there were different fonts for being silly, mad, sarcasm,
etc.
That way folks could "hear" how somebody writes something.
Just thought I'd make a little note because now that I'm going through
the rest of the thread it didn't "sound" like I had meant it to.


This is an out of control adolescent. Ignore the idiot.