2nd year ponder help needed

I am a 2nd year ponder. Last year I had a 6 foot round about 3 feet deep
pond. I simply fell in love with the whole thing. I did fight the string
algae all year but overall I loved it. I have six gold fish and three Koi
and about 15 little minnows that my kids got out of the local creek. My pump
is a 1200 gpm. The waterfall is about six feet up.

I loved the pond thing so mush that I put in another pond this year. It
connects with the first pond and is about 4 X 8 X 4 feet. I did not ad any
fish in it and left the old fish in the first pond. All of my lilies are
coming back strong. Even the tropical ones, they don't look as strong and
as big as the others. I got some barley straw early this year and haven't
had any problem with algae this year. The pond got crystal clear and stayed
that way for two or three weeks. Then it turned, I can still see the bottom
but it has a greenish tint, and just a little dead algae floating on top
every day. Nothing I can't skim off in 2 to 3 minutes. It all looks a
little stagnant and I also now have some sick fish. (See other massage Sick
fish). I also added a bog filter about 5 X 2 X 1.5 feet. I think that's all
the info you will need. So before I keep rambling on here are my questions:



Is my pump to small?

Is the decaying barley straw making my fish sick or responsible for the
murky water?

OH one more thing! About every other day I fish out a half gallon of frog
eggs. Now I don't mind some frogs but this is too much. Anyway I can get
rid of the frogs? Thanks for your help.

"Rick" wrote in message
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I am a 2nd year ponder. Last year I had a 6 foot round about 3 feet deep
pond. I simply fell in love with the whole thing. I did fight the string
algae all year but overall I loved it. I have six gold fish and three Koi
and about 15 little minnows that my kids got out of the local creek. My pump
is a 1200 gpm. The waterfall is about six feet up.

I loved the pond thing so mush that I put in another pond this year. It
connects with the first pond and is about 4 X 8 X 4 feet. I did not ad any
fish in it and left the old fish in the first pond. All of my lilies are
coming back strong. Even the tropical ones, they don't look as strong and
as big as the others. I got some barley straw early this year and haven't
had any problem with algae this year. The pond got crystal clear and stayed
that way for two or three weeks. Then it turned, I can still see the bottom
but it has a greenish tint, and just a little dead algae floating on top
every day. Nothing I can't skim off in 2 to 3 minutes. It all looks a
little stagnant and I also now have some sick fish. (See other massage Sick
fish). I also added a bog filter about 5 X 2 X 1.5 feet. I think that's all
the info you will need. So before I keep rambling on here are my questions:



Is my pump to small?

Is the decaying barley straw making my fish sick or responsible for the
murky water?

OH one more thing! About every other day I fish out a half gallon of frog
eggs. Now I don't mind some frogs but this is too much. Anyway I can get
rid of the frogs? Thanks for your help.


The frog eggs may be part of your problem. They can really mess up your pond
chemistry if there are enough of them. Check your nitrites, nitrates, and
ammonia levels, and your pH.

About the only way to keep frogs out of the
pond is to net it securely. Removing the eggs
when they get to be too much is a good compromise
(just take them to a natural waterway).

I agree with George. Check your water tests, especially
ammonia with all the frog activity.

Usually algae that floats up to the surface means too
much organic matter in the pond. And could be a sign
of blue green algae which will make fish sick also.
You may need to reduce your stocking level (here
Mother Nature may be doing it for you).

Barely straw.... don't use it as I don't like the idea of
any more rotting organic matter in the pond than what
comes naturally. But others do so maybe they can answer
your question.

Sound likes like you are really enjoying your pond and
with some adjustments you probably will be okay.

kathy :-)
www.blogfromthebog.com

Excessive organic waste coming from the frogs and their eggs. Get rid of
the frogs and their eggs, keep the rotten barley straw out, and don't add
any more fish. Your set up sounds great except you didn't mention anything
about your filtration system. What do you have for filter?

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

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"Rick" wrote in message
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I am a 2nd year ponder. Last year I had a 6 foot round about 3 feet deep
pond. I simply fell in love with the whole thing. I did fight the string
algae all year but overall I loved it. I have six gold fish and three Koi
and about 15 little minnows that my kids got out of the local creek. My
pump
is a 1200 gpm. The waterfall is about six feet up.

I loved the pond thing so mush that I put in another pond this year. It
connects with the first pond and is about 4 X 8 X 4 feet. I did not ad any
fish in it and left the old fish in the first pond. All of my lilies are
coming back strong. Even the tropical ones, they don't look as strong and
as big as the others. I got some barley straw early this year and haven't
had any problem with algae this year. The pond got crystal clear and
stayed
that way for two or three weeks. Then it turned, I can still see the
bottom
but it has a greenish tint, and just a little dead algae floating on top
every day. Nothing I can't skim off in 2 to 3 minutes. It all looks a
little stagnant and I also now have some sick fish. (See other massage
Sick
fish). I also added a bog filter about 5 X 2 X 1.5 feet. I think that's
all
the info you will need. So before I keep rambling on here are my
questions:



Is my pump to small?

Is the decaying barley straw making my fish sick or responsible for the
murky water?

OH one more thing! About every other day I fish out a half gallon of frog
eggs. Now I don't mind some frogs but this is too much. Anyway I can get
rid of the frogs? Thanks for your help.

"Just Me "Koi"" wrote in message
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Excessive organic waste coming from the frogs and their eggs. Get rid of
the frogs and their eggs, keep the rotten barley straw out, and don't add
any more fish. Your set up sounds great except you didn't mention
anything
about your filtration system. What do you have for filter?

--
The punp had a filter with it when i
got it. it has a bag with small pebbals in it. clead daily.

The punp had a filter with it when I got it. It has a bag with small
pebbals in it. clead daily.
From prefilter the water gose in to a baral full of pea gravel the baral is
about 2.5 round and
2.5 feet deep, from there the water gose into a bog filter filled with pea
gravel about 2 X 5 X 1.5 feet, to a waterfall.
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Rick" wrote in message
ink.net...
I am a 2nd year ponder. Last year I had a 6 foot round about 3 feet deep
pond. I simply fell in love with the whole thing. I did fight the
string
algae all year but overall I loved it. I have six gold fish and three
Koi
and about 15 little minnows that my kids got out of the local creek. My
pump
is a 1200 gpm. The waterfall is about six feet up.

I loved the pond thing so mush that I put in another pond this year. It
connects with the first pond and is about 4 X 8 X 4 feet. I did not ad
any
fish in it and left the old fish in the first pond. All of my lilies
are
coming back strong. Even the tropical ones, they don't look as strong
and
as big as the others. I got some barley straw early this year and
haven't
had any problem with algae this year. The pond got crystal clear and
stayed
that way for two or three weeks. Then it turned, I can still see the
bottom
but it has a greenish tint, and just a little dead algae floating on top
every day. Nothing I can't skim off in 2 to 3 minutes. It all looks a
little stagnant and I also now have some sick fish. (See other massage
Sick
fish). I also added a bog filter about 5 X 2 X 1.5 feet. I think that's
all
the info you will need. So before I keep rambling on here are my
questions:



Is my pump to small?

Is the decaying barley straw making my fish sick or responsible for the
murky water?

OH one more thing! About every other day I fish out a half gallon of
frog
eggs. Now I don't mind some frogs but this is too much. Anyway I can
get
rid of the frogs? Thanks for your help.

Here are a few things I would add.

For the size of the pond you may have too many fish.
I qualify this because you didn't say the total length of the fish.

I see that the pond is aprox. 1200 gal. The actual size of the pond would
help is it deep enough and circulating the water properly .

---- Bog --
The "bog" is a good idea. But.
There are some things you will want to check on.
Size, water flow, amount of water, soil, plants, etc. There is a major
difference in the acid/ alkaline levels.
Do you want a "bog", "fen", or "marsh"?
There is a definite difference between these three. For example;
A bog is acidic and over time turns into peat and then turns into coal.
(none of us will be around to see this)

I have a 1700+ gal. pond and filter it through two different marshes.
There is 7 fish for a total of 55 inches. I have hardy plants that come
back up in the spring. Cattail, Japanese Iris, Papyrus, etc.

---- Barley grass --
It's true, throw away the barley grass. It takes too long to 'activate'.
By then the fish have eaten at it, or it's broken down and gets in the
pump or waits for you to clean it out come fall.

---- Salt --
I have not seen and good or bad points about salt use. Using a marsh may
have something to do with this. I will be doing more chemical research on
this.

---- Tea Tree ---
I like natural cures so I use Tea Tree extract. People use it on
themselves and animals.
There is a caution here. http://www.messybeast.com/teatree.htm


Remember. We are all first timers and none of us was born with the
information.
I'm sure that everyone that has worked a pond has sent their fair share
of fish and plants onto their next life.
Hang in there.

Do you want a "bog", "fen", or "marsh"?

I thought when people talked about a "bog filter," they were usually
referring to an upflow gravel pit? (i.e., not really a "bog").

Like this:

http://www.pondsolutions.com/bog_filter.htm

C//

"Courageous" wrote in message
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Do you want a "bog", "fen", or "marsh"?

I thought when people talked about a "bog filter," they were usually
referring to an upflow gravel pit? (i.e., not really a "bog").

Like this:

http://www.pondsolutions.com/bog_filter.htm

C//

My bog is just like the one you showed me. That's the site I got the idea
from. I just dug the hole as deep as I could (rocks) put in the liner and
it overflows into the waterfall.

Ooops, sorry. I took the word literally.

The originator did indicate " I also added a bog filter about 5 X 2 X 1.5
feet"


Not using exact meanings shure makes things difficult to understand and
keep track of.
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Courageous wrote in
:


Do you want a "bog", "fen", or "marsh"?

I thought when people talked about a "bog filter," they were usually
referring to an upflow gravel pit? (i.e., not really a "bog").

Like this:

http://www.pondsolutions.com/bog_filter.htm

C//

Ooops, sorry. I took the word literally.
The originator did indicate " I also added a bog filter about 5 X 2 X 1.5
feet"

Sure. Note the upwell of water from the pond. This water will be oxygenated:
aerobic bacteria, in other words.

C//