Black moor resting by heater

"cindys" wrote in message
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"Koi-lo" wrote in message
That will not cure swim-bladder problems. All it does is put a Band-Aid
on
a skin cancer. The problem is STILL there and will resurface once fed
again.

Is there no cure at all?

Not that I'm aware of. It seems to be caused more by an internal deformity
of the body than any dietary or bacterial problem. GF after all, should
look like Shubunkins or Comets (their natural shape), not hunchback as the
fancies ones do. This is a genetic deformity that also deforms their
internal organs, the swim bladder being one of them. I have never once had
one of these *normal* shaped GF develop a swim bladder problem.

Please accept that he may not survive no matter what you do.

:-(

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Actually Black Moors do better WITH a heater - especially
in such a small tank where temperature swings aren't uncommon.

"Koi-lo" wrote in message
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"cindys" wrote in message
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"Koi-lo" wrote in message
That will not cure swim-bladder problems. All it does is put a
Band-Aid
on
a skin cancer. The problem is STILL there and will resurface once fed
again.

Is there no cure at all?

Not that I'm aware of. It seems to be caused more by an internal
deformity
of the body than any dietary or bacterial problem. GF after all, should
look like Shubunkins or Comets (their natural shape), not hunchback as the
fancies ones do. This is a genetic deformity that also deforms their
internal organs, the swim bladder being one of them. I have never once
had
one of these *normal* shaped GF develop a swim bladder problem.

Please accept that he may not survive no matter what you do.
--------------
My little fish died. So, now we have only 1 fish in the aquarium. I have
been doing partial water changes every day, but the water doesn't seem to
look any cleaner (it's still all discolored from the tetracycline). My
husband wants to put the remaining fish in the 1 gallon aquarium (only long
enough to allow him to scrub out the bigger aquarium). I told him that I
thought it would be too stressful for the fish and also that any good
bacteria that had grown on the gravel in the meantime would be destroyed. He
also wants to get another fish ASAP, and he thinks I'm crazy to insist that
we quarantine any new fish for 2 weeks. In truth, even if we had quarantined
the current fish for 2 weeks, the situation with the other fish would have
happened. We've had this new fish for more than 2 weeks, and and he/she
still seems perfectly healthy. My husband thinks the reason the first fish
died was because we "killed him with kindness," and told me that if I hadn't
been insistent on putting the tetracycline in the tank, he would have still
been alive. Then, alternately, he will say that it was his own fault the
fish died because he overfed him (I don't think he did really overfeed him.
He put a few extra fish flakes in the tank a few times). We're just very
distraught because we had the original fish in a 1 gallon tank, did
everything wrong, including not neutralizing the chlorine in the tap water,
and the fish survived beautifully for over a year. Then, we moved him into a
bigger tank with supposedly optimal conditions, and now he's dead.

So, what's next? I didn't want to get any other fish for a while. My husband
told me as far as he's concerned, the quarantine is unnecessary. He says he
plans to go to the pet store on Sunday (5 days from now), get a new fish,
and dump him/her in the tank (after allowing him/her to acclimate to the
water temperature for several minutes first). How and when should we
introduce a new fish? (I agree in this particular instance that the 14-day
quarantine may be unwarranted because our current fish and the new fish
could easily have been together in the tank at the pet store).
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

cindys wrote:


So, what's next?

I haven't followed the whole story, but it sounds like some of my early
fish keeping efforts in the 60's.

I'm very sorry that your fish died, especially because you were attached
to it and had some other griefs to deal with.

As I understand it you now have a 10-gallon aquarium with one goldfish
and also a 1 gallon aquarium. If that is so, I'd just carry on with one
goldfish in the 10 gallon for a few months at least. The 1 gallon can be
used to raise some snails, and in distant future you may find other uses
for it.

Do a few 30% water changes every 3 days or so to get the medicines out,
and let your filter adjust. Please google aquarium cycling if you have
not done so. The healthy bacteria in your aquarium and filter will need
to re-establish after the medicines, and you may experience a "cycle".
Regular (weekly?) 30% water changes may mitigate any ammonia or nitrite
excess during this cycle.

If you have fluorescent lighting or some daylight, then adding live
plants would be a good idea. Hornwort, Java moss, Elodea/ Anacharis...
They absorb fish waste while growing, look good and give the goldfish
something to nibble on . The goldfish may eat all the plants, but
that's ok too.

Good luck!
Steve

"cindys" wrote in message
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My little fish died. So, now we have only 1 fish in the aquarium. I have
been doing partial water changes every day, but the water doesn't seem to
look any cleaner (it's still all discolored from the tetracycline).

Which is one reason I don't use this medication. It's not only pretty much
useless from overuse, but also hard to remove. If you want to bite the
bullet you can redo the whole tank and start over. If you do, you will have
to watch the ammonia and nitrites all over again.

My
husband wants to put the remaining fish in the 1 gallon aquarium (only
long
enough to allow him to scrub out the bigger aquarium). I told him that I
thought it would be too stressful for the fish and also that any good
bacteria that had grown on the gravel in the meantime would be destroyed.

This is true. But if the Tet' really made a total mess of the tank let him
go ahead and do it.

He
also wants to get another fish ASAP, and he thinks I'm crazy to insist
that
we quarantine any new fish for 2 weeks.

Explain to him how and why people quarantine fish. Clean the larger tank,
cycle it with the fish you now have. Keep the 1g running for a quarantine
take. If you can afford it get that produce they call Bio Spira to help
with the cycling in both. Also, treat all new fish for parasites. I use
Aquara-Sol or Quick-Cure, both are under $3.00. Do this while they're in
quarantine.

In truth, even if we had quarantined
the current fish for 2 weeks, the situation with the other fish would have
happened. We've had this new fish for more than 2 weeks, and and he/she
still seems perfectly healthy. My husband thinks the reason the first fish
died was because we "killed him with kindness," and told me that if I
hadn't
been insistent on putting the tetracycline in the tank, he would have
still
been alive.

No one can know for sure why your older fish perished. If he was in that 1g
tank and hadn't outgrown it in a year he must have had something wrong, some
problem, to start with. Healthy GF grow rapidly if well fed.

Then, alternately, he will say that it was his own fault the
fish died because he overfed him (I don't think he did really overfeed
him.
He put a few extra fish flakes in the tank a few times).

That's not likely the reason at all.........

We're just very
distraught because we had the original fish in a 1 gallon tank, did
everything wrong, including not neutralizing the chlorine in the tap
water,
and the fish survived beautifully for over a year. Then, we moved him into
a
bigger tank with supposedly optimal conditions, and now he's dead.

If you didn't neutralize the tap water that must mean you just topped the 1g
tank off and didn't do partial changes?!?!?! He may not have been as
healthy as you think he was. I don't say this to be unkind but many
beginners don't realize there's a problem until the fish is too far gone to
save. A healthy GF would have outgrown a 1g tank long before a year passed.

What's next? I didn't want to get any other fish for a while. My husband
told me as far as he's concerned, the quarantine is unnecessary.

May I ask? Is this HIS hobby or yours? Perhaps you should get another 10g
tank (or larger if possible) and do it the correct way. Let him do as he
wishes with his tank and fish.

He says he
plans to go to the pet store on Sunday (5 days from now), get a new fish,
and dump him/her in the tank (after allowing him/her to acclimate to the
water temperature for several minutes first).

I think you need a tank of your own.

How and when should we
introduce a new fish?

It doesn't seem to matter as your husband will do as he pleases no matter
what happens to the fish, or what's best for them.

(I agree in this particular instance that the 14-day
quarantine may be unwarranted because our current fish and the new fish
could easily have been together in the tank at the pet store).
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

If the new fish is from the same store on a flow-through system then it wont
matter much. But what about cycling the tank? Why risk 2 fish when 1 will
do it - unless you use something like Bio Spira (costs around $15).
--

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cindys wrote:
My little fish died.

I'm so sorry about your fish. It is wonderful that you cared so
much for the fish. You are a kind-hearted soul.

Linda and the zoo.

If you want more help with the fish I suggest you join the Puregold fish list
http://groups.google.com/group/Puregold

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"cindys" wrote in message
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My little fish died. So, now we have only 1 fish in the aquarium.
[snip]

I'm sorry your fish didn't make it.

Your original fish survived for over a year in
less than optimal conditions, but chances are
good it was stressed and as soon as conditions
changed (new fish, new tank, new water) its
immune system couldn't handle the stress.
Mostly likely that's why it got sick and died,
not because of overfeeding, or medicating.

You seem to have a good handle on how to
treat fish. I would continue doing partial water
changes and eventually the remaining drugs will
be out of the tank. Have you put charcoal in the
filter? That usually will clear up the remaining
medications. I avoid those expensive cartridges;
instead I buy a small media bag (available at
Petsmart etc.) and a box of activated charcoal
(same source). When I need to use charcoal, it's
simple to put some in a media bag and remove it
when the problem is solved. The media bag
rinses easily and can be reused.

At this point, it sounds like your husband isn't
willing to follow advice about quarantine. To
keep peace in the house, maybe it's best to just
let him get another fish. Hope for the best.
Some of us (and I do include myself in that)
need to learn lessons the hard way before we
truly learn. You might get lucky and the two
new fish will do fine.

Good luck!

Gail

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 03:04:04 GMT, "cindys"
wrote:


"Koi-lo" wrote in message
...

"cindys" wrote in message
.. .

"Koi-lo" wrote in message
That will not cure swim-bladder problems. All it does is put a
Band-Aid
on
a skin cancer. The problem is STILL there and will resurface once fed
again.

Is there no cure at all?

Not that I'm aware of. It seems to be caused more by an internal
deformity
of the body than any dietary or bacterial problem. GF after all, should
look like Shubunkins or Comets (their natural shape), not hunchback as the
fancies ones do. This is a genetic deformity that also deforms their
internal organs, the swim bladder being one of them. I have never once
had
one of these *normal* shaped GF develop a swim bladder problem.

Please accept that he may not survive no matter what you do.
--------------
My little fish died. So, now we have only 1 fish in the aquarium. I have
been doing partial water changes every day, but the water doesn't seem to
look any cleaner (it's still all discolored from the tetracycline). My
husband wants to put the remaining fish in the 1 gallon aquarium (only long
enough to allow him to scrub out the bigger aquarium). I told him that I
thought it would be too stressful for the fish and also that any good
bacteria that had grown on the gravel in the meantime would be destroyed. He
also wants to get another fish ASAP, and he thinks I'm crazy to insist that
we quarantine any new fish for 2 weeks. In truth, even if we had quarantined
the current fish for 2 weeks, the situation with the other fish would have
happened. We've had this new fish for more than 2 weeks, and and he/she
still seems perfectly healthy. My husband thinks the reason the first fish
died was because we "killed him with kindness," and told me that if I hadn't
been insistent on putting the tetracycline in the tank, he would have still
been alive. Then, alternately, he will say that it was his own fault the
fish died because he overfed him (I don't think he did really overfeed him.
He put a few extra fish flakes in the tank a few times). We're just very
distraught because we had the original fish in a 1 gallon tank, did
everything wrong, including not neutralizing the chlorine in the tap water,
and the fish survived beautifully for over a year. Then, we moved him into a
bigger tank with supposedly optimal conditions, and now he's dead.

So, what's next? I didn't want to get any other fish for a while. My husband
told me as far as he's concerned, the quarantine is unnecessary. He says he
plans to go to the pet store on Sunday (5 days from now), get a new fish,
and dump him/her in the tank (after allowing him/her to acclimate to the
water temperature for several minutes first). How and when should we
introduce a new fish? (I agree in this particular instance that the 14-day
quarantine may be unwarranted because our current fish and the new fish
could easily have been together in the tank at the pet store).
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

who wears the pants in your house??

"Squirrel" wrote in message
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[snip]

who wears the pants in your house??

Your comment above was unnecessary.
Marriage is a compromise.
Cindy was doing her best for her fish.
Her decisions might not be your decisions
or mine, but I'm not so perfect that I'm
a candidate for godhood. Are you?

Gail