New Angels, again

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:52:38 -0400, "Nikki"
wrote:


"Gill Passman" wrote in message
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Koi-Lo wrote:

"Mister Gardener" wrote in message
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I returned to the original scene of my ill fated angel fish yesterday
morning, I'm still convinced that they were good fish and I killed
them by messing around with too many ferts and not watching my pH and
other water parameters.

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Yesterday I went to pick up some fishfood at a large FS in the city.
There wasn't one angel fish I would have bought and he has the best fish
in Nashville (in my opinion). He will buy from local breeders if he can.
The angels in the chains haven't been much to rave about either, but I
did see some Rainbows and the clown loaches looked good.

Now if only I could find wallspace to set up my 30L.......

Get furniture shifting - there is always room for one more tank :-)

I will get everyone to share my addiction to Clown Loaches and Rainbow
fish ;-)

I have that same problem when my house was built some one was very lazy, in
my living room which is very large only two of the walls have plugs, same in
the dining room and bedrooms, and by law houses here should have them I
think every 4-6 feet, kind of gets me stuck even if I can put a tank some
where...I have no way to plug stuff in, I keep asking my husband to put more
outlets in the walls but he says that will only encourage me to set up more
fish tanks, lol. He said we should charge admission to visit out house, six
fish tanks plus the 7 small 3-5 gl betta tanks, my bunny, our big dog..and 2
hermit crabs..we have a zoo.
Nik

Husband are easy. Just try that wet tee shirt trick that Gill was
talking about the other day.

-- Mister Gardener

"Nikki" wrote in message
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I have that same problem when my house was built some one was very lazy,
in my living room which is very large only two of the walls have plugs,
same in the dining room and bedrooms, and by law houses here should have
them I think every 4-6 feet, kind of gets me stuck even if I can put a
tank some where...I have no way to plug stuff in, I keep asking my husband
to put more outlets in the walls but he says that will only encourage me
to set up more fish tanks, lol. He said we should charge admission to
visit out house, six fish tanks plus the 7 small 3-5 gl betta tanks, my
bunny, our big dog..and 2 hermit crabs..we have a zoo.
Nik
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You can run heavy extension cords with those 6 outlet thingies plugged into
the end. :-) This way you can plug in 6 things as long as you don't plug
in stuff that uses loads of juice.
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Koi-Lo....
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Aquariums since 1952.
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"Mister Gardener" wrote in message
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Number two gone. The two remaining appear to have drawn powers from
the two deceased. I did a 20% water change and right now they are all
over the tank, looking terrific. But. The two dead ones look really
skinny. I'm wondering if they were malnourished - stopped eating for
some reason and no one noticed. 16 hours till the warranty expires.

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You may consider doing what I did and take the last ones back. WW didn't
hassle me at all. They refunded my money.
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Aquariums since 1952.
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"Mister Gardener" wrote in message
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Do you really need that closet? Can you picture a large recessed tank
in there.

Yes I can, but then all our coats, boots and jackets will be sitting on the
floor.

It would have to be custom made to fit the space . . . or
you could put a couple of 20 Highs in there, one above the other.

You're all a bunch of aquarium addicts!!!!!!!! :-D

I have to go look at wood stands as soon as I can take a few days
off........

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Koi-Lo....
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On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:18:13 -0500, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:


"Altum" wrote in message
.com...
Koi-Lo wrote:

I don't think my husband, a kind, generous and patient man, would put up
with tanks hanging from the ceiling. LOL! :-D The coffee table idea
sounds great though but we're seldom in the living room - also we just
have a crawlspace under the house. I'm hoping by moving a large hutch
over a little I can squeeze my 30L on that wall. There truly isn't any
wallspace left in my house and I don't want to block windows.

But there's nothing as pretty as the sun streaming through a tank filled
with healthy plants pearling in the light!

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You're terrible! :-D

Actually I just removed a 10g quarantine tank that was by a window. I moved
it because it was too hard to wash, open and close the window. It also grew
algae like mad even with all the plants. We don't want light blocking
curtains on the windows because of all the plants in the sunroom.

Somehow, somewhere I will squeeze this 30L in........ ;-)

Do you have a bed? Do you really need it? How much wall space is it
wasting?

-- Mister Gardener

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:26:35 -0500, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:


"Mister Gardener" wrote in message
.. .
Number two gone. The two remaining appear to have drawn powers from
the two deceased. I did a 20% water change and right now they are all
over the tank, looking terrific. But. The two dead ones look really
skinny. I'm wondering if they were malnourished - stopped eating for
some reason and no one noticed. 16 hours till the warranty expires.

=====================
You may consider doing what I did and take the last ones back. WW didn't
hassle me at all. They refunded my money.

I'm not sure what WW is, but I didn't buy them there. I'll see how
they look in the morning. I start my day around 5, so I'll have plenty
of time to check them out.

-- Mister Gardener

"Mister Gardener" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:26:35 -0500, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:


"Mister Gardener" wrote in message
. ..
Number two gone. The two remaining appear to have drawn powers from
the two deceased. I did a 20% water change and right now they are all
over the tank, looking terrific. But. The two dead ones look really
skinny. I'm wondering if they were malnourished - stopped eating for
some reason and no one noticed. 16 hours till the warranty expires.

=====================
You may consider doing what I did and take the last ones back. WW didn't
hassle me at all. They refunded my money.

I'm not sure what WW is, but I didn't buy them there. I'll see how
they look in the morning. I start my day around 5, so I'll have plenty
of time to check them out.

-- Mister Gardener

If I remember right you said these new guys were from the same batch /tank
you got last time, since the ones you got last time died, and the ones at
the store stayed alive... then when you got these new ones home you lost a
couple.. is it possible that there is a big difference between the water at
the store and your water? If its true that angels are sensitive these days,
not as healthy as they used to be, could a big change in how they are kept
kill them. Frank was telling me in another post that if a fish is kept in
salt then its reduced quickly it could kill them, so on that same thought
could the store keep their water with salt and you don't, or could their ph
be very different then yours, or something along those lines? Have you ask
the store what they keep in their tank?
Nik

I think WW is wally world or something like that someone said it before if i
remember right

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:11:54 -0400, "Nikki"
wrote:


"Mister Gardener" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:26:35 -0500, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:


"Mister Gardener" wrote in message
...
Number two gone. The two remaining appear to have drawn powers from
the two deceased. I did a 20% water change and right now they are all
over the tank, looking terrific. But. The two dead ones look really
skinny. I'm wondering if they were malnourished - stopped eating for
some reason and no one noticed. 16 hours till the warranty expires.

=====================
You may consider doing what I did and take the last ones back. WW didn't
hassle me at all. They refunded my money.

I'm not sure what WW is, but I didn't buy them there. I'll see how
they look in the morning. I start my day around 5, so I'll have plenty
of time to check them out.

-- Mister Gardener

If I remember right you said these new guys were from the same batch /tank
you got last time, since the ones you got last time died, and the ones at
the store stayed alive... then when you got these new ones home you lost a
couple.. is it possible that there is a big difference between the water at
the store and your water? If its true that angels are sensitive these days,
not as healthy as they used to be, could a big change in how they are kept
kill them. Frank was telling me in another post that if a fish is kept in
salt then its reduced quickly it could kill them, so on that same thought
could the store keep their water with salt and you don't, or could their ph
be very different then yours, or something along those lines? Have you ask
the store what they keep in their tank?
Nik

I think WW is wally world or something like that someone said it before if i
remember right

Wally World is WalMart? OK. I'm certain the store would not use salt
in their angel tank. I gave them a really long, slow acclimation, and
their pH was very close to what mine is here. I will ask them about
their hardness as well. I have a stable GH/KH now, but my water is
still quite soft. And it can be hard for a fish to go from hard to
soft if the difference is great. I'm anxious to see how these last two
do, they look great right now. And I expect NetMax, Richard, Frank,
and the others will drop a few observations my way. I'll get my money
back. I am still absolutely certain that I killed the first batch when
I dropped the pH to 5 or thereabouts. And at that time I had no
measurable buffering capacity. It was just one final stress on
already stressed out fish. My other fish in that tank remain healthy
and happy.

-- Mister Gardener

"Mister Gardener" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:11:54 -0400, "Nikki"
wrote:


"Mister Gardener" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:26:35 -0500, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:


"Mister Gardener" wrote in message
m...
Number two gone. The two remaining appear to have drawn powers from
the two deceased. I did a 20% water change and right now they are all
over the tank, looking terrific. But. The two dead ones look really
skinny. I'm wondering if they were malnourished - stopped eating for
some reason and no one noticed. 16 hours till the warranty expires.

=====================
You may consider doing what I did and take the last ones back. WW
didn't
hassle me at all. They refunded my money.

I'm not sure what WW is, but I didn't buy them there. I'll see how
they look in the morning. I start my day around 5, so I'll have plenty
of time to check them out.

-- Mister Gardener

If I remember right you said these new guys were from the same batch /tank
you got last time, since the ones you got last time died, and the ones at
the store stayed alive... then when you got these new ones home you lost a
couple.. is it possible that there is a big difference between the water
at
the store and your water? If its true that angels are sensitive these
days,
not as healthy as they used to be, could a big change in how they are kept
kill them. Frank was telling me in another post that if a fish is kept in
salt then its reduced quickly it could kill them, so on that same thought
could the store keep their water with salt and you don't, or could their
ph
be very different then yours, or something along those lines? Have you ask
the store what they keep in their tank?
Nik

I think WW is wally world or something like that someone said it before if
i
remember right

Wally World is WalMart? OK. I'm certain the store would not use salt
in their angel tank. I gave them a really long, slow acclimation, and
their pH was very close to what mine is here. I will ask them about
their hardness as well. I have a stable GH/KH now, but my water is
still quite soft. And it can be hard for a fish to go from hard to
soft if the difference is great. I'm anxious to see how these last two
do, they look great right now. And I expect NetMax, Richard, Frank,
and the others will drop a few observations my way. I'll get my money
back. I am still absolutely certain that I killed the first batch when
I dropped the pH to 5 or thereabouts. And at that time I had no
measurable buffering capacity. It was just one final stress on
already stressed out fish. My other fish in that tank remain healthy
and happy.

-- Mister Gardener

that is why I was thinking maybe it was something different between the
store tank and your tank because your other fish are doing good, so it can
not be something "wrong" with your tank /water, maybe just something
different that they were not used to? what ever it is I hope you work it
out, I was just thinking about what frank said and thought about the problem
you were having with the angels so thought I would mention it.
Oh the "WW" I am not sure, I thought koi-lo said the name of the store was
WW, which I thought was Wally world because I heard that name mentioned....
i did not know wally world meant wal-mart (if that is what you meant)
nik

Mister Gardener wrote:

Number two gone. The two remaining appear to have drawn powers from
the two deceased. I did a 20% water change and right now they are all
over the tank, looking terrific. But. The two dead ones look really
skinny. I'm wondering if they were malnourished - stopped eating for
some reason and no one noticed. 16 hours till the warranty expires.

Awww, geez. I'm so sorry to hear that. I was hoping you got good ones
this time.

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