Ick and pl*co

Thanks Netmax for your answer.
I think the only problem could be the introduction of a new fish (festivum)
2 weeks prior to the outbreak of the Ick.
At that time the water parameter were
0 ammonia
0 nitrites
and 7.2 ph
The tank is running already for a year, and i keep my water changes.
Also, I have increased the light of the tank, just before the outbreak, but
nothing really dramatic, from 20 watts, i went to 2 x 23 w.

I notice one of my hatched has a cloudy eye...and swim to the bottom of the
tank, very clumsy. I feel like the whole tank is crushing down....

I dont know what other info could be relevant

--
Paulo
"NetMax" wrote in message
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"Paulo" wrote in message
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Well, after the deth of my pl*co yesterday, I decide to dose one more
time
with Rid Ick+. (The total treatment was day 1, 4, 7, 10, and 13 -
today)
Now my fishes look worst than ever, but not with white spots now many
of
them has fungus(?) on fins, they shake, dont eat, and act really
weird.....Even when they were covered with ick didnt seem to be so
sick.....I am cluless about this......is it normal progression of Ick?.
The tank is a 30 gl, with neon tetras (3), rummy nose (6), harlekin
rasbora
(5), hatched (3), festivum (1), shrimps and apple snails....and shrimps
and
snails doesnt seem to be affected by medications. Also I was doing a
water
change before dosing. My water changes were 25%, but yesterday i did
almost
40%.
Please any insight?????

--
Paulo
"Paulo" wrote in message
...
I have been treating my tank for 2 weeks (Ick). All teh fishes are
now
clear
out but my pl*co still covered in ick. I was planning to do a big
water
change tomorrow and stop medicating the tank.....I had just a decesed
fish
(tetra neon) all the rest seems to be just fine. I am not sure waht
to
do....I dont want to continue with medication (Rid Ick+)
--
Paulo

You need to post your water parameters (NH3/4, NO2, NO3, pH) and history
(what was done immediately before noticing the contagion). You either
introduced a disease, or a stress so that a disease could get a grip.
You need to be sure you have no stressor now, so that you can ID and
treat the disease.

NetMax

OK, so no obvious water-quality stressor, so let's assume your tank was
stable, fish been healthy a long time (their immune systems are lazy from
being parked in neutral for a while), and along comes a new fish (not
quarantined) with some modern new bugs. The first thing you see is the
Ich, but that might be a symptom, especially if your fish were quite
healthy. Fungus is also not usually a primary contagion, usually moving
in later on already weakened fish. That leaves bacteria, virus or
another parasite. Any of the 3 could weaken them, leaving the others to
move in.

The fin rot is definitely bacterial (so is the cloudy eye), so you need
antibiotics (broad spectrum gram negative I think) or one of the Fungus
cures (sulpha based I think, good against bacteria as well). It might be
too far advanced for your tetras/rasboras. Hatchetfish don't last long
either. You might be left with a Festivum, a shrimp and a snail in a
week. I've crossposted to alt.aquaria where there is a very
knowledgeable person there for diseases.

NetMax

"Paulo" wrote in message
.. .
Thanks Netmax for your answer.
I think the only problem could be the introduction of a new fish
(festivum)
2 weeks prior to the outbreak of the Ick.
At that time the water parameter were
0 ammonia
0 nitrites
and 7.2 ph
The tank is running already for a year, and i keep my water changes.
Also, I have increased the light of the tank, just before the outbreak,
but
nothing really dramatic, from 20 watts, i went to 2 x 23 w.

I notice one of my hatched has a cloudy eye...and swim to the bottom of
the
tank, very clumsy. I feel like the whole tank is crushing down....

I dont know what other info could be relevant

--
Paulo
"NetMax" wrote in message
...

"Paulo" wrote in message
.. .
Well, after the deth of my pl*co yesterday, I decide to dose one
more
time
with Rid Ick+. (The total treatment was day 1, 4, 7, 10, and 13 -
today)
Now my fishes look worst than ever, but not with white spots now
many
of
them has fungus(?) on fins, they shake, dont eat, and act really
weird.....Even when they were covered with ick didnt seem to be so
sick.....I am cluless about this......is it normal progression of
Ick?.
The tank is a 30 gl, with neon tetras (3), rummy nose (6), harlekin
rasbora
(5), hatched (3), festivum (1), shrimps and apple snails....and
shrimps
and
snails doesnt seem to be affected by medications. Also I was doing
a
water
change before dosing. My water changes were 25%, but yesterday i
did
almost
40%.
Please any insight?????

--
Paulo
"Paulo" wrote in message
...
I have been treating my tank for 2 weeks (Ick). All teh fishes
are
now
clear
out but my pl*co still covered in ick. I was planning to do a big
water
change tomorrow and stop medicating the tank.....I had just a
decesed
fish
(tetra neon) all the rest seems to be just fine. I am not sure
waht
to
do....I dont want to continue with medication (Rid Ick+)
--
Paulo

You need to post your water parameters (NH3/4, NO2, NO3, pH) and
history
(what was done immediately before noticing the contagion). You
either
introduced a disease, or a stress so that a disease could get a grip.
You need to be sure you have no stressor now, so that you can ID and
treat the disease.

NetMax

thanks a lot...I will see what happen tomorrow. Also because i was
medicating with Rid Ick, I know i shouldnt mix.....I am gonna have to do
some water changes....

--
Paulo
"NetMax" wrote in message
.. .
OK, so no obvious water-quality stressor, so let's assume your tank was
stable, fish been healthy a long time (their immune systems are lazy from
being parked in neutral for a while), and along comes a new fish (not
quarantined) with some modern new bugs. The first thing you see is the
Ich, but that might be a symptom, especially if your fish were quite
healthy. Fungus is also not usually a primary contagion, usually moving
in later on already weakened fish. That leaves bacteria, virus or
another parasite. Any of the 3 could weaken them, leaving the others to
move in.

The fin rot is definitely bacterial (so is the cloudy eye), so you need
antibiotics (broad spectrum gram negative I think) or one of the Fungus
cures (sulpha based I think, good against bacteria as well). It might be
too far advanced for your tetras/rasboras. Hatchetfish don't last long
either. You might be left with a Festivum, a shrimp and a snail in a
week. I've crossposted to alt.aquaria where there is a very
knowledgeable person there for diseases.

NetMax

"Paulo" wrote in message
.. .
Thanks Netmax for your answer.
I think the only problem could be the introduction of a new fish
(festivum)
2 weeks prior to the outbreak of the Ick.
At that time the water parameter were
0 ammonia
0 nitrites
and 7.2 ph
The tank is running already for a year, and i keep my water changes.
Also, I have increased the light of the tank, just before the outbreak,
but
nothing really dramatic, from 20 watts, i went to 2 x 23 w.

I notice one of my hatched has a cloudy eye...and swim to the bottom of
the
tank, very clumsy. I feel like the whole tank is crushing down....

I dont know what other info could be relevant

--
Paulo
"NetMax" wrote in message
...

"Paulo" wrote in message
.. .
Well, after the deth of my pl*co yesterday, I decide to dose one
more
time
with Rid Ick+. (The total treatment was day 1, 4, 7, 10, and 13 -
today)
Now my fishes look worst than ever, but not with white spots now
many
of
them has fungus(?) on fins, they shake, dont eat, and act really
weird.....Even when they were covered with ick didnt seem to be so
sick.....I am cluless about this......is it normal progression of
Ick?.
The tank is a 30 gl, with neon tetras (3), rummy nose (6), harlekin
rasbora
(5), hatched (3), festivum (1), shrimps and apple snails....and
shrimps
and
snails doesnt seem to be affected by medications. Also I was doing
a
water
change before dosing. My water changes were 25%, but yesterday i
did
almost
40%.
Please any insight?????

--
Paulo
"Paulo" wrote in message
...
I have been treating my tank for 2 weeks (Ick). All teh fishes
are
now
clear
out but my pl*co still covered in ick. I was planning to do a big
water
change tomorrow and stop medicating the tank.....I had just a
decesed
fish
(tetra neon) all the rest seems to be just fine. I am not sure
waht
to
do....I dont want to continue with medication (Rid Ick+)
--
Paulo

You need to post your water parameters (NH3/4, NO2, NO3, pH) and
history
(what was done immediately before noticing the contagion). You
either
introduced a disease, or a stress so that a disease could get a grip.
You need to be sure you have no stressor now, so that you can ID and
treat the disease.

NetMax

"Paulo" wrote in message
...
thanks a lot...I will see what happen tomorrow. Also because i was
medicating with Rid Ick, I know i shouldnt mix.....I am gonna have to
do
some water changes....

There is no problem with mixing anti-biotics with anti-parasitic
medications. It's done quite often. The products do not directly react
with each other. The concern is that any medication will cause some
stress to a fish. We are hoping they cause _more_ stress to the disease
and the fish live through it, so (generally speaking) multiple
medications cause more stress than a single medication. This is more
pronounced with small or weak fish.

Having said all that, I still think your water changes are a very good
idea. It dilutes any bacteria in the water column, and it's not good to
have fish sitting in parasite dyes any longer than necessary.

NetMax

Well, finally one of the hatched died and one rummy nose. The festivum, the
other two hatched and the blue rams seems to be ok. The neon, harlequin and
rummy nose are having a rough time. Fins are getting shredded and a white
film with something in the scales....Tomorrow I will proceed with a water
change and I will get some of the fungus and antibiotic medicine.

--
Paulo
"NetMax" wrote in message
...

"Paulo" wrote in message
...
thanks a lot...I will see what happen tomorrow. Also because i was
medicating with Rid Ick, I know i shouldnt mix.....I am gonna have to
do
some water changes....

There is no problem with mixing anti-biotics with anti-parasitic
medications. It's done quite often. The products do not directly react
with each other. The concern is that any medication will cause some
stress to a fish. We are hoping they cause _more_ stress to the disease
and the fish live through it, so (generally speaking) multiple
medications cause more stress than a single medication. This is more
pronounced with small or weak fish.

Having said all that, I still think your water changes are a very good
idea. It dilutes any bacteria in the water column, and it's not good to
have fish sitting in parasite dyes any longer than necessary.

NetMax