Activated Charcoal

Hi..

@ you2:

Please stop this boring discussion..!

Thanks..
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cu
Marco

Marco Schwarz wrote in news:eehbef$h39$1
@news.albasani.net:

Please stop this boring discussion..!

Why don't you try not reading it instead.

Since deciding to lurk on this group again I am seeing alot of suspicion
and accusations.....we all went through a bad time last year and this
spring on this group which resulted in the setting up of TFA as a
haven.....but I am pretty sickened by all the infighting and accusations
going on right now when rafm can recover....I'm also aware that most of
my posts have not been constructive but have been related to flame wars
and troll accusations....for which I apologise....

None of the people in this thread (and others) are trolls.....alpha,
tynk, swarvgorilla and even hannibal are not trolls.....even if they do
like to flame one another.....Dick, DC, Marco are not trolls...they may
have differences of opinion but that is really what a usenet group is
about.....

I would never kill file any of you....this is the talk of a group under
attack which right now rafm is not....stop looking in the
shadows....post about fish...and maybe one day I'll get over looking at
the accusations and start posting properly....time is a factor...and I'm
pretty much tied up posting where this stuff doesn't happen....

Gill

I would never kill file any of you....this is the talk of a group under
attack which right now rafm is not....stop looking in the shadows....post
about fish...and maybe one day I'll get over looking at the accusations
and start posting properly....time is a factor...and I'm pretty much tied
up posting where this stuff doesn't happen....

Gill

Yea what ever, you'll be back.
they always come back
In accordance with the prophecy once netmax returns and is bio-accumulated
by dc we will need only one more component and our uber guru will be
complete.
Besides aren't you guys even more flooded by n00bs than usual there?
I mean teach a few prodigy the ins and outs of the hobby and hurry on back
ye'all
UNtil then 'death to the unbelievers' or whatever your particular usenet
kookness

"dc" wrote in message
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Dick wrote in
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No filter, I can imagine, would be classified as "biological
filtration." Why would one want to filter out bacteria?

Your semantics are very limited.

Biological filtration is a widely used term to describe the natural
process
of the nitrogen cycle. It has nothing to do with the "filtering out of
bacteria", which doesn't even make sense. Bacteria will adhere to any
surface where it is able to obtains the means for it to survive--it exists
in every part of your filter.

Biological filtration describes the action of biological organisms
(bacteria) on organic chemicals (nitrogenous wastes) as they convert them
into various, and progressively less toxic forms.

DC for calm under fire I hereby award a distinguised service medal.
Well done man.

"dc" wrote in message
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Dick wrote in
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No filter, I can imagine, would be classified as "biological
filtration." Why would one want to filter out bacteria?

there are many mechanical filters capable of your so called 'straining out'
bacteria
the common ones used in the hobby both use plant cells that have been
signifigantly altered.
The carbon/charcoal already mentioned and also the good old diatomous
Only really used to 'polish' water in hastily built displays in my
experience as with established bio filtration they are rarely needed in
general aquaria.



Your semantics are very limited.

Biological filtration is a widely used term to describe the natural
process
of the nitrogen cycle. It has nothing to do with the "filtering out of
bacteria", which doesn't even make sense. Bacteria will adhere to any
surface where it is able to obtains the means for it to survive--it exists
in every part of your filter.

Biological filtration describes the action of biological organisms
(bacteria) on organic chemicals (nitrogenous wastes) as they convert them
into various, and progressively less toxic forms.

"dc" wrote in message
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Gill Passman wrote in news:450b2df6$0
:

Dick is not a troll.....he has an easy way of looking after his fish
without needing to be a chemist....if it works for him why should any
the rest of us disrespect his experience...it might not work for all of

No one is disrespecting his methods. Many people keep fish very well in
blissful ignorance to the specifics of how their little micro-ecosystem
really functions, and that is fine. It is his attitude that is the
problem.

He asked a question, I answered it, and he responded with ignorant
slander.
He may not make a living as a troll, but he has the right attitude to be
one.

I agree only in that dc tells it very straight. He has no reason to lie.
His advice is also worthy
a bit of respec' would have gone a long way.
anyway, the rest of us got a lesson on charcoal anyway so all is not lost


geez the gen public can be.....
idiots
and random ones too

"Marco Schwarz" wrote in message
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Hi..

a good water change and tank maintenance regime is really
the answer to a lot of ills....you don't need to be a
chemist to know this....just a good fishkeeper....

[X] I agree but knowledge is important, too.

Is fish keeping rather an art or a science..?
Respectively is an excellent fish keeper an artist or a
scientist..? :-)

--
cu
Marco

When one has been the voo-doo laden n00bie
And has endured the 'read until eyes bleed' mission that it is to become an
amateur fish scientist
You often find that it all becomes more an art.
so see, smell, predict problems..... need to test much less (although may
continue to test way anyway)
So with the few ******* little urban fish myths still haunting me soul with
weird promises of great things in plant extracts and ancient voo-doo
spawning trigger rites and fetishes.
The scientist in me continues to try to put back together the ever changing
nightmare of knowledge you accumulate in this hobby. To make sense of the
fish web and assimilate others experience with my own.
But the fish smithing that pays for my bread..... it is more an art.
I have too many tanks to be testing them all and their loads change so much.
I focus like we all do on the problem tanks.
then I work backwards to find where the problems came from.
So I'd say a good fishkeeper is a ritual worshipping, common sense solution
seeking person who enjoys watching fish and is willing to learn how to look
after his charges.... even if it basically means relearning everything over
and over again as our knowledge changes.

Hi..

[...]
So I'd say a good fishkeeper is a
ritual worshipping, common sense solution seeking person
who enjoys watching fish and is willing to learn how to
look after his charges.... even if it basically means
relearning everything over and over again as our knowledge
changes.

Wise words, thanks..
--
cu
Marco

An apology to all.
Sorry guys, I ( the original poster ) was just asking a question.
Really, Activated Charcoal is not all that big a deal to get P.O
about.
Perhaps the one fellow did not know the term "Bacterial Filtration"
and took it literally.
You can filter out bacteria though. And if you filtered it out, it is
filtered in on the other side. You can buy survival type drinking
straws that will filter out bacteria. ( Sorry starting to get
oppositional here, but see how I bring myself under control!)
However, BF is a common term to aquarium users.
Is this really worth getting all worked up about?
I think a thesis could be written on how differently people behave on
the net then they do in person. It is like the anononimity gives them
power and removes the rules. Just ask yourself WWJD if he were
posting a message here.( A little too much? you think?) Actually, it
is hard to grasp a persons inflections and body language over then
net, and, something that would be clear in person as a joke or
something unimportant, suddenly becomes a slur or insult when written.
Just my (worthless) opinion. No more or less important or valid then
anyone else's.
Thanks
BM




On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:18:51 -0500, dc wrote:

Gill Passman wrote in news:450b2df6$0
:

Dick is not a troll.....he has an easy way of looking after his fish
without needing to be a chemist....if it works for him why should any
the rest of us disrespect his experience...it might not work for all of

No one is disrespecting his methods. Many people keep fish very well in
blissful ignorance to the specifics of how their little micro-ecosystem
really functions, and that is fine. It is his attitude that is the
problem.

He asked a question, I answered it, and he responded with ignorant slander.
He may not make a living as a troll, but he has the right attitude to be
one.