4 foot high tank

* wrote, On 10/8/2006 5:25 AM:
Hi there

I'm looking to get back into a marine tank. It's been a while since I
have had one. the last was a bio ball setup which i believe has gone
out of fashion to be replaced by live rocks etc. anyway my question
is.. I'm looking at this tank
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Unique-Custom...QQcmdZViewItem

and just wondering if higher rather than wider tanks are still harder
to maintain with the new techniques of fish and invertebrates keeping.

Cheers thanks for taking the tinme to repspond


Dude...that's a very cool tank, but how are you going to work in it? You'll
need a stepladder and very long arms.

"Pszemol" wrote in message
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"swarvegorilla" wrote in message
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Okay but they are fish only yea
gimme a bit here
these are busy days
but I could walk over to a mates and show you pics of a rack of nemo
raising tanks running ugf

No need to show me breeding tanks I have my own to look at.
I want to see beautiful show tanks, the ones you have with sponge filters.

no not show tanks, selling tanks
I have used them to slacken the initail cycle in display tanks tho.
helps prevent die off on live rock by reducing severity of ammonia spike,
while the tanks main filtration cycles
that said it could be done, just the sponges can be ugly if not hidden and
require frequent cleaning.
If it was my tank I would drill some nice outlets and inlets and sump the
hell out of it.
costly plumbing but very low maintenence aside from evap top up and water
changes.
Still you can do a lot with powerheads and sponge air filtration.
Tour ANY major wholesaler and you will see their power on an industrial
scale.
But I digress and stand corrected.
I have no beautiful display tank to show you running those filters.
They are sumped and hidden by the stand.
Or running cannisters / powerheads
I do use my prefilters as air powered filters during black outs so that kind
of counts.
:P
Get a budget off the man perhaps and we can see if a fluval fx5/ehiem pro 3
, custom skimmer and UVS is the solution for the case, if he should try for
a
in other news I just got back from a nice trade show
Was in a quarantine room on a tour.... all full size panda orandas.
thousands
yea I know reef, but they were like soccor ballz hey
very cool

"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
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swarvegorilla wrote on 10/11/2006 8:27 AM:
In time yes but nothing a bit of maintence won't fix.
there is no problem that can't be worked around and no filter that
doesn't have any drawbacks.

But some filters have more drawbacks than others.
And who wants to make reef keeping a chore with unnecessary maintenance
and fixing.

Some of us have been in the hobby a long time, and know what works well,
and what doesn't.


Once again it depends on the scale and what the customer wants as an end
result.
For $20 ya could get that tank on the road cycling with air pump and coupla
sponge filters.
sure once it's filled ya can't drill but if that was never going to happen
it'd be a plan
the quicker the tank is breeding bacteria and algae the sooner you can throw
fish in it.
No disrespect to your sumpreme authority on reef mate, but I have kept fish
for quite a while now.
full blown reef setups are still something that I approach very slowly and
with much asking and pilfering of ideas.
I have numbers I can call for tricky questions, and mates who can tell me
what I'm doing wrong.
Pretty much anything else I can throw together easily.
It's what I do.
The quality/effort/cost triad is something I deal with every day. While fish
smith is too lame a term perhaps tank tailor would suit.
Tis a shame you are prob on another continent, yank yea?
would love to come for a tour, I may type like a tard
but I do most my listening with me eyes mate.

"swarvegorilla" wrote in message ...
No need to show me breeding tanks I have my own to look at.
I want to see beautiful show tanks, the ones you have with sponge filters.

no not show tanks, selling tanks

I am sure the original poster was thinking about a show tank,
not quarantine, not grow-up tank, not wholeseller tank...
Show tanks are run with different equipment, so let's not mix this.

"Pszemol" wrote in message
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"swarvegorilla" wrote in message
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No need to show me breeding tanks I have my own to look at.
I want to see beautiful show tanks, the ones you have with sponge
filters.

no not show tanks, selling tanks

I am sure the original poster was thinking about a show tank,
not quarantine, not grow-up tank, not wholeseller tank...
Show tanks are run with different equipment, so let's not mix this.

nyea
once again it's gonna depend on the person
and their budget/experience

* Pszemol wrote, On 10/13/2006 9:36 AM:
"swarvegorilla" wrote in message
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no not show tanks, selling tanks

I am sure the original poster was thinking about a show tank,
not quarantine, not grow-up tank, not wholeseller tank...
Show tanks are run with different equipment, so let's not mix this.

The original poster isn't the only one reading, and I for one like to learn ALL
the possibilities.

Cindy

Sponge filtering is not a possibility that you want to use
with a salt water aquarium, much less a reef tank. They do
however have a lot of benefits for breeder tanks in fresh
water, and some with salt water fry tanks, but such a salt
water tank would have lots of salt creep, and any
electrical cords or anything else electrical would be wet
with salt water.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Cindy wrote on 10/13/2006 7:18 PM:
* Pszemol wrote, On 10/13/2006 9:36 AM:
"swarvegorilla" wrote in message
...

no not show tanks, selling tanks

I am sure the original poster was thinking about a show tank,
not quarantine, not grow-up tank, not wholeseller tank...
Show tanks are run with different equipment, so let's not mix this.

The original poster isn't the only one reading, and I for one like to
learn ALL the possibilities.

Cindy

* Wayne Sallee wrote, On 10/13/2006 6:42 PM:
Sponge filtering is not a possibility that you want to use with a salt
water aquarium, much less a reef tank. They do however have a lot of
benefits for breeder tanks in fresh water, and some with salt water fry
tanks, but such a salt water tank would have lots of salt creep, and any
electrical cords or anything else electrical would be wet with salt water.

Couldn't you use a sponge filter with a powerhead instead of air pump?

That would be better in that it would not cause salt
creep, or splashing, but it still is not the way to go for
a reef tank for many reasons.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Cindy wrote on 10/13/2006 8:13 PM:
* Wayne Sallee wrote, On 10/13/2006 6:42 PM:
Sponge filtering is not a possibility that you want to use with a salt
water aquarium, much less a reef tank. They do however have a lot of
benefits for breeder tanks in fresh water, and some with salt water
fry tanks, but such a salt water tank would have lots of salt creep,
and any electrical cords or anything else electrical would be wet with
salt water.

Couldn't you use a sponge filter with a powerhead instead of air pump?

?
dude have you ever heard of a 90 degree elbow?
I think a lot of the industry would be shocked to hear that air powered
sponge filters are no good for marine.
For fish only they are cheap, easy and last for yonks. For reef where water
movement is more important and maybe you'd like less filter bacteria and
more live rock life to try drop nitrates.
But that only works with low stocking levels.
With a tall tank despite usual wisdom saying that it should be a very light
stocking due to surface area, I would prob overstock it a bit.
Tall tanks need more fish to look good. It means more water changes and more
feeding though.
A good airpump can run a few filters and the skimmer.
Salt creep is pretty easy to take care of, good lids and a wipe or 2
the point I was trying to make is that
A marine tank can be set up on any budget.
With a powerhead or 2 to give the water movement needed there is no reason
sponge air filters cannot be used.
Yes maybe you may have to consider filter placement to cut down on salt
creep but it's the same nitrate cycle mate.
A powerhead pumping water thru a pipe into a bucket of small coral chunks
and draining out the bottem into the tank makes an ok filter.
Keep in mind that with good liverock and powerhead placement, plus the
advantage of strong lights the tank will have other natural forms of
bio-filtration occuring.
Bio accumulation of nutrients into algae,bacteria mulm or in O2 zeron
environs into N2 gas.
What is more important than having the latest gear is having good husbandry
practises with the tools at hand.
Never believe the hype I say, good food, nice clean warm water and regular
water changes.
If you are going to shoot for the moon, buy your liverock and coral foods
and use them. Have a local fish geek design your filter and lights setup.
And get on good terms with a good local lfs so you can cherry pick the best
liverock out of a big new shipment for your initial stocking of the tank
with rock.





"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
link.net...
Sponge filtering is not a possibility that you want to use with a salt
water aquarium, much less a reef tank. They do however have a lot of
benefits for breeder tanks in fresh water, and some with salt water fry
tanks, but such a salt water tank would have lots of salt creep, and any
electrical cords or anything else electrical would be wet with salt water.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Cindy wrote on 10/13/2006 7:18 PM:
* Pszemol wrote, On 10/13/2006 9:36 AM:
"swarvegorilla" wrote in message
...

no not show tanks, selling tanks

I am sure the original poster was thinking about a show tank,
not quarantine, not grow-up tank, not wholeseller tank...
Show tanks are run with different equipment, so let's not mix this.

The original poster isn't the only one reading, and I for one like to
learn ALL the possibilities.

Cindy