How long in the bag

(BErney1014) wrote in message ...
Huh. I've had very good luck with Prazi.
The fish I've used it on in q-tine have turned out to be my
healthiest, liveliest ones.
It came highly recommended from sources I respect.
OH well.


Peroxide came from a published story in 2001 and it referenced a 1997 work. The
article goes back to 1922 with credits and also cites dosages. They think no
one will check, that's how they operate.


Berney, I'm confused-- do you mean peroxide here or praziquantel?

Anyway, I stand by the use of praziquantel. There are many
responsible experienced gold-keepers who swear by it and whose fish
have benefited from its use. My fish don't react to it in the
slightest when I use it. Gill flukes will damage the gills a lot
sooner than Prazi will, IMHO.

Berney, I'm confused-- do you mean peroxide here or praziquantel?

Anyway, I stand by the use of praziquantel.

Good stance.
Prazi is the most effective treatment for flukes and it's easy on the fish.
The reference to peroxide being pioneered recently is simply not true.
Read all about it. Vol. 5 #2

http://216.168.47.67/CIS-Fishnet/WaterWorks/

I came home tonight and he seemed a bit off balance.
Strangely enough he would go to the surface for 10
seconds or so at a time, I thought he was looking for food.
Tried to feed him when he would go to the surface,
he may have swallowed one pellet by accident.

I found a 1cc syringe like you said, but before I could do
any forcefeeding he all of the sudden got very weak and
floated listless in the water. About 1 hr later he died.
.... ... .... I am so so sad.... sniff.

Why did he die so quick, is that normal? They hang on and hang on
and then they just let go?


....Kodiak



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...
you need to tempt him with something stronger smelling and/or something
that moves.
most of these fish were in ponds and fed live food. try a smidgen of live
blood
worms. otherwise you are going to have to force feed em. a 1 cc TB
syringe (without
the needle of course) and soak some food until it is much will go up into
the syringe
and back out. get the syringe all the way back down into their throat
where the
pharyngeal teeth are. as you bring the fish up to the surface they will
open their
mouth. that is when you put the syringe in and feed em. Ingrid

"Kodiak" wrote:
Yes Ingrid, I know, shame on me. I put him in an established tank without
Qtine first.
The other fish in the tank were also recently purchased and not Qtine'd.
I'm
just now
getting into all the intricacies of this hobby, so i proise I will never
do
that again.
Day 5 now he's still not eating, should I take him out and do a bucket
brigade on him?
...Kodiak


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when they cant move they cant get oxygen across their gills. Poor thing really did go
for a long time without food. Ingrid

"Kodiak" wrote:
I came home tonight and he seemed a bit off balance.
Strangely enough he would go to the surface for 10
seconds or so at a time, I thought he was looking for food.
Tried to feed him when he would go to the surface,
he may have swallowed one pellet by accident.

I found a 1cc syringe like you said, but before I could do
any forcefeeding he all of the sudden got very weak and
floated listless in the water. About 1 hr later he died.
... ... .... I am so so sad.... sniff.

Why did he die so quick, is that normal? They hang on and hang on
and then they just let go?


...Kodiak


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

I helped Jo Ann Burke write up the paper for the use of peroxide to treat flukes in
GF and it was submitted to Roy Yanong. That he chose not to list her as one of the
contributors to this research can only be explained by him.

Most people dont understand scientific research. Research is rarely totally new
discoveries, the vast majority of science is done by expanding what others have done,
by doing parallel areas of research, by fine tuning other scientific research.

Most "fish" research is on "food fish". Nobody in this country does clinical trials
on Goldfish except Jo Ann Burke. And since she has retired, there isnt anybody doing
it anymore. So while the use of peroxide for treating fish "in general" has been
known for many years, its use in Goldfish has not been researched and has not been
documented until Jo Ann did so.

I find it interesting that you, Bruce, claim "discovering" the bucket to bucket
method altho the basis of this treatment is nothing more than 100% water changes,
something the Chinese have done in keeping fish in those fancy glass bowls for the
last 1000s of years. Not to mention all the GF kept in GF bowls where little kids
put their GF into a cup of water, cleaned the bowl out completely, start with new
fresh water and put the GF back in. Your contribution was using multiple containers.


Even so, I was willing to credit you with the advancement and did credit you with
"Bruce's bucket to bucket" method until you became so abusive I got fed up. Not to
mention I found out that using a 20 gallon container that holds a lot more water than
a 5 gallon bucket worked better at which time I named the method tub to tub.

Ingrid


The reference to peroxide being pioneered recently is simply not true.
Read all about it. Vol. 5 #2
http://216.168.47.67/CIS-Fishnet/WaterWorks/



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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

That he chose not to list her as one of the
contributors to this research can only be explained by him.

The project was before you claimed your partner pioneered it.
I'd be curious to know why the open invitation by the school wasn't announced
by you and your partner. The people who pioneered it were not keeping it a
secret.

Glad to see you admit you stole the bucket to bucket method. But, claim you're
justified because you don't like me? Silly girl.