Black moor resting by heater

"Squirrel" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:30:03 -0600, "Koi-lo"
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dunno where you got those headers, I am with completely diff ISP not
even mentioned
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The header comes straight *copied and pasted* from you first message:

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Your ISP may be a local or independent but your message to Usenet came
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Morrow didn't take the time to check. My messages originate in TN and go
through an ISP in MD here in the eastern USA. It's right in my headers if
anyone cares to check.

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when I first posted I said I was from NZ, those headers are
austraolian
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Take a LOOK at your own headers. If you don't understand how to read them
call your ISP and ask. You may live in NZ but AU is where your messages
left from. When you send something in NZ it's obviously sent to a server in
AU and leaves from there. I don't live in MD but that's where my messages
ultimately leave from.
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"Squirrel" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:32:49 -0600, "Koi-lo"
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She may have no choice in the matter. I would simply allow him to have
that
tank and get another for myself. You can fit two 10 gallon tanks into the
smallest of apartments.

iof she is allowed to buy another one
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Well, lets hope she can persuade him to do some research on the net and
he'll soon learn that the advice from a salesperson in the LFS is near
worthless.
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:01:29 -0600, "Koi-lo"
wrote:


"Squirrel" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:30:03 -0600, "Koi-lo"
wrote:


"Squirrel" wrote in message
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dunno where you got those headers, I am with completely diff ISP not
even mentioned
========================
The header comes straight *copied and pasted* from you first message:

OrgName: Asia Pacific Network Information Centre
OrgID: APNIC
Address: PO Box 2131
City: Milton
StateProv: QLD
PostalCode: 4064
Country: AU
ReferralServer: whois://whois.apnic.net
NetRange: 222.0.0.0 - 222.255.255.255 --yours!

Your ISP may be a local or independent but your message to Usenet came
through the above service. You are not sending your messages from a USA
based ISP as I am. Here (below) is more information on your service. Mr.
Morrow didn't take the time to check. My messages originate in TN and go
through an ISP in MD here in the eastern USA. It's right in my headers if
anyone cares to check.

Comment: ** IMPORTANT NOTE: APNIC is the Regional Internet Registry
Comment: for the Asia Pacific region. APNIC does not operate networks
Comment: using this IP address range and is not able to investigate
Comment: spam or abuse reports relating to these addresses. For more
Comment: help, refer to http://www.apnic.net/info/faq/abuse

when I first posted I said I was from NZ, those headers are
austraolian
==================================
Take a LOOK at your own headers. If you don't understand how to read them
call your ISP and ask. You may live in NZ but AU is where your messages
left from. When you send something in NZ it's obviously sent to a server in
AU and leaves from there. I don't live in MD but that's where my messages
ultimately leave from.

frankly I dont care where they come from, I was merely confirming I
came from NZ

"Squirrel" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:02:13 -0800, "Daniel Morrow"
wrote:

Bottom posted.
Gail Futoran wrote:
"Squirrel" wrote in message
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[snip]

who wears the pants in your house??

Your comment above was unnecessary.
Marriage is a compromise.
Cindy was doing her best for her fish.
Her decisions might not be your decisions
or mine, but I'm not so perfect that I'm
a candidate for godhood. Are you?

Gail

Squirrel might have mean't the opposite as even I seemed to take in from
cindy's talk that her husband is TOO bossy and might even be a know it
all,
it might be appropriate for cindy to be bossy towards her husband about
this
as this is her baby. If you're right gail I apologize for this
over-defense
of squirrel (I don't remember if squirrel is a carol sock-puppet or
whatever
but I feel his/her opinion was misread). Good luck and later!

I (female from NZ) felt Cindy did everything her appearing bossy
husband said despite it beiong contrary to advice given by others, to
the point of the fish possibly enduring suffering.'
------------
To clarify the situation: One day about a year ago, my husband came home
from work with a 1 gallon aquarium and 2 fish that someone from work
apparently didn't want anymore. At the time, I didn't want an aquarium,
seeing that we already had a dog and 4 cats, but he insisted on keeping it
and said he would be solely responsible for it. One of the two fish died
right away. He went to the local Petco to find out what happened (and with
the intention of replacing the fish). The clerk explained to him that a
1-gallon tank couldn't possibly sustain 2 fish and not to replace the fish
unless he intended to get a larger aquarium. So, he did not replace the fish
and just kept the 1 fish in the aquarium for an entire year, taking sole
responsibility for the fish, feeding the fish every day, changing the water
etc.

Then, maybe a month ago, he felt that he wanted to move to a larger aquarium
and get a second fish. That's when he got the 10-gallon aquarium kit, set up
the aquarim according to the instructions that came with it, and got a
second fish. He was taking care of both fish for several weeks, and they
seemed fine. Then, one day (about 2 weeks ago), it seemed like the original
fish was having trouble swimming. I looked at it and saw that its tail and
fins looked ragged and it just looked ill. That's when I started doing some
internet searches for information. I phoned the Petco, and they told me the
fish had fin and tail rot and to treat the tank with tetracycline, and
that's also the same time I found this group. That was the point that I
first took interest in and responsibility for the fish and determined to try
to save the original fish (but unfortunately failed). At my request, my
husband made an extra trip to PetCo to get the water testing kit plus better
fish food (and the goldfish book). He turned off the heater when I asked him
to (without an argument). I made 2 more trips to PetCo to get the
antichlorine tablets and the salt. All in all, between the two of us, we
made 3 or 4 trips to Petco and spent over $50 trying to save the fish. And
after we did all that and the fish still died, my husband basically said
"Enough is enough. The tank is a murky mess from the tetracycline. We've
spent a fortune on supplies. We're talking about a $2 goldfish here. Let's
stop all this nonsense and just get another fish."

So, in summary, the fish was his from the beginning. The hobby was his. I
had zero interest in any of this until 2 weeks ago when I decided to try to
save the fish. My husband went along with all of it, but simply reached a
point where he said enough was enough. He previously stated he was going to
replace the fish tomorrow, but sometimes, his bark is worse than his bite. I
would be willing to bet the fish will not be replaced until I agree to it,
and he has agreed to ask the clerk at Petco if the fish tanks are treated
for parasites before buying another fish and dumping it in our tank. He has
threatened to scrub the tetracycline out of our current tank, but hasn't
done it yet (after I warned him about disturbing the biosphere). But the
reality is, when you're married, you pick your battles. I'm glad he's not
pushing the issue, but if he did go to the store and replace the fish, I
certainly wouldn't divorce him over it.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

"Squirrel" wrote in message
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ultimately leave from.

frankly I dont care where they come from, I was merely confirming I
came from NZ
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I know *you* come from NZ. That shows in your header as well. :-)
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
Aquariums: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastada...ium-Page4.html
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
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"cindys" wrote in message
news
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Then, maybe a month ago, he felt that he wanted to move to a larger
aquarium
and get a second fish. That's when he got the 10-gallon aquarium kit, set
up
the aquarim according to the instructions that came with it, and got a
second fish. He was taking care of both fish for several weeks, and they
seemed fine. Then, one day (about 2 weeks ago), it seemed like the
original
fish was having trouble swimming. I looked at it and saw that its tail and
fins looked ragged and it just looked ill. That's when I started doing
some
internet searches for information. I phoned the Petco, and they told me
the
fish had fin and tail rot and to treat the tank with tetracycline, and
that's also the same time I found this group.

I'm glad you found us. :-) And PLEASE do not ask advice from the clerks in
those stores. 99.9% of them are clueless and just want to sell you
something. Even some websites are only looking to sell you some product and
make money.

The tank is a murky mess from the tetracycline. We've
spent a fortune on supplies. We're talking about a $2 goldfish here. Let's
stop all this nonsense and just get another fish."

I can see how he'd feel that way.....

So, in summary, the fish was his from the beginning. The hobby was his. I
had zero interest in any of this until 2 weeks ago when I decided to try
to
save the fish. My husband went along with all of it, but simply reached a
point where he said enough was enough. He previously stated he was going
to
replace the fish tomorrow, but sometimes, his bark is worse than his bite.
I
would be willing to bet the fish will not be replaced until I agree to it,
and he has agreed to ask the clerk at Petco if the fish tanks are treated
for parasites before buying another fish and dumping it in our tank.

Treat them for parasites anyway. The clerk may not know or give you the
wrong information.

He has
threatened to scrub the tetracycline out of our current tank, but hasn't
done it yet (after I warned him about disturbing the biosphere). But the
reality is, when you're married, you pick your battles. I'm glad he's not
pushing the issue, but if he did go to the store and replace the fish, I
certainly wouldn't divorce him over it.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

Please let us know what happens Cindy.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
Aquariums:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastada...ium-Page4.html
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
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"Gail Futoran" wrote in message
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Sometimes the hobbies dovetail. He likes
to build things, and built me a lovely cabinet
for my 30gal long tank. He built it big enough
to handle a 55 gallon, figuring that would be my
next step, but I'm being strong and sticking with
the 30G.
=======================
OMG what a waste!!!! :-))) Put a 55g on that stand and set the 30Long on
decorative bricks wherever you have some floor space.......
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

"Koi-lo" wrote in message
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"cindys" wrote in message
news

snip for brevity

I'm glad you found us. :-) And PLEASE do not ask advice from the clerks
in
those stores. 99.9% of them are clueless and just want to sell you
something. Even some websites are only looking to sell you some product
and
make money.

The tank is a murky mess from the tetracycline. We've
spent a fortune on supplies. We're talking about a $2 goldfish here.
Let's
stop all this nonsense and just get another fish."

I can see how he'd feel that way.....

snip

Treat them for parasites anyway. The clerk may not know or give you the
wrong information.


Please let us know what happens Cindy.
-----------
What happened is that my husband went to Petco yesterday and bought another
fish. Apparently, he asked the clerk about treating the fish for parasites.
The clerk said she didn't know what he was talking about, that she never
heard of such a thing. She told him that all he needed to do was to
acclimate the fish by keeping it in the plastic bag for 15 minutes submersed
in the tank, then dump it in. She did at least advise him to avoid mixing
the aquarium water from Petco with the water in our tank. My husband insists
that the clerk at Petco is the authority here and that we need to go with
the advice from the *experts* at Petco and not what people are telling me on
Usenet. giant sigh. Then, he started complaining that the tank is still
murky from the tetracycline (it's gradually getting clearer with the daily
water changes, but he claims it's getting worse...I think he's imagining
things....). He said that I should ask you guys how to get rid of the
tetracycline in the tank.

Regarding the new fish, since my husband did not buy any product to kill
potential parasites, I decided not to quarantine the new fish (and thus
avoid yet another potential argument). So, I threw caution to the wind and
followed the instructions from the clerk at Petco, and now I'm hoping for
the best and hoping that the new fish didn't bring in some disease or
parasites, especially since the other fish has grown in the short time we've
had her and seems to be thriving, although I have noticed that she seems to
have lost some of her black coloration since we've had her and is a bit more
gold. The new fish is also a black moor but seems to be a different variety.
My son deliberately picked out the smallest one in the Petco tank "so that
it could grow." The tail seems extremely short and is in 4 segments, unlike
the other black moor whose tail is long and luxurious and has a 3-segment
tail. Anyway, we'll see what happens. I keep checking the tank to ensure
that neither fish is showing signs of distress. So far so good, but we've
only had the new fish for a little over 12 hours...
Thank you everyone for your help. I will keep you posted.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

cindys wrote:

What happened is that my husband went to Petco yesterday and bought another
fish. Apparently, he asked the clerk about treating the fish for parasites.
The clerk said she didn't know what he was talking about, that she never
heard of such a thing. She told him that all he needed to do was to
acclimate the fish by keeping it in the plastic bag for 15 minutes submersed
in the tank, then dump it in. She did at least advise him to avoid mixing
the aquarium water from Petco with the water in our tank. My husband insists
that the clerk at Petco is the authority here and that we need to go with
the advice from the *experts* at Petco and not what people are telling me on
Usenet. giant sigh. Then, he started complaining that the tank is still
murky from the tetracycline (it's gradually getting clearer with the daily
water changes, but he claims it's getting worse...I think he's imagining
things....). He said that I should ask you guys how to get rid of the
tetracycline in the tank.

Regarding the new fish, since my husband did not buy any product to kill
potential parasites, I decided not to quarantine the new fish (and thus
avoid yet another potential argument). So, I threw caution to the wind and
followed the instructions from the clerk at Petco, and now I'm hoping for
the best and hoping that the new fish didn't bring in some disease or
parasites, especially since the other fish has grown in the short time we've
had her and seems to be thriving, although I have noticed that she seems to
have lost some of her black coloration since we've had her and is a bit more
gold. The new fish is also a black moor but seems to be a different variety.
My son deliberately picked out the smallest one in the Petco tank "so that
it could grow." The tail seems extremely short and is in 4 segments, unlike
the other black moor whose tail is long and luxurious and has a 3-segment
tail. Anyway, we'll see what happens. I keep checking the tank to ensure
that neither fish is showing signs of distress. So far so good, but we've
only had the new fish for a little over 12 hours...
Thank you everyone for your help. I will keep you posted.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.



I also just equalize new fishes' temperature then put them into the
community aquarium, discarding the pet store water. I know better, but
my quarantine aquariums have become permanent fish homes. With tropical
fish I've been getting away with this scott-free for several years, and
it has the advantage that the new fish have a stress-free life in the
big aquarium.

As to treating new fish with chemicals to get rid of (imaginary?)
parasites, that doesn't sound like a good idea. Why stress the fish
unnecessarily?

Two goldfish in 10 gallons really is too much, so keep up with weekly
partial water changes. And start saving for a 30 gallon aquarium .
Happy fish keeping!
Steve

"cindys" wrote in message
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[big snip]
He said that I should ask you guys how to get rid of the
tetracycline in the tank.
[snip]

I can't recall your setup. Do you have a power
filter that hangs off the back of the tank? If so,
it's easy to buy a cartridge for the filter that
contains carbon. This will remove the
tetracycline from the tank.

Don't leave the carbon cartridge in the filter
for long. That's a whole other subject, but
generally a carbon cartridge is useful only
in specific cases such as removing meds.
Left in the filter too long, it starts to cause
problems. "Too long" is generally more
than a month, but with dirty fish like goldfish,
I'd be tempted to remove it after 2 weeks.

You mentioned one of the fish changing color.
I don't know much about the fancier goldfish,
but common goldfish and comets do tend
to change color somewhat as they age. You
might do some googling on goldfish and
changing colors to see what you can come
up with.

Gail