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Carfax vehicle history - suspicious?
I'm in the chicago area and I'm looking to buy this car from a local
Chevy dealer: 2003 Toyota Camry LE Sedan 4 DR 2.4L L4 EFI DOHC 16V Equipment: Standard Mileage: 49,500 Asking price: $13K Kelly Blue book (Trade in value - Good condition) is about $11K for my zip code (60004). Cosmetically the car is in excellent condition. The body has no rust, paint is in great shape with no scratches, dents or dings that I can see. The interior is also great, no fading, stains, rips or tears that I can see. It rides great, and I'm going to take it to a mechanic for an inspection. The Chevy dealer will sell it to me for $12,300. They gave me a copy of it's Carfax report, and I'm wondering how to decipher it: 8/25/2003 Mileage: Source: NICB Comments: Vehicle manufactured and shipped to original dealer. 9/04/2003 Mileage: 3 Source: Service Facility Comments: Vehicle serviced. 9/05/2003 Mileage: 3 Source: Dealer Inventory Kentucky Comments: Vehicle sold 9/15/2003 Mileage: 3 Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Louisville, Kentucky Comments: Registered as a personal vehicle 9/18/2003 Mileage: 11 Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Louisville, Kentucky Comments: Title or registration issued. First owner reported. Loan or lien reported. 2/25/2005 Mileage: 41,328 Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Cedar Rapids, IA Comments: Title or registration issued. 4/28/2005 Mileage: 49,391 Source: Auto Auction Comments: Sold at auction in Southeast Region. Listed as a fleet vehicle. 4/29/2005 Mileage: 49,391 Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Elizabethtown, Kentucky Comments: Title or registration issued. New owner reported. 5/12/2005 Mileage: 49,398 Source: Auto Auction Comments: Sold at auction in Southeast Region. Listed as a dealer vehicle. 5/312005 Mileage: 49,398 Source: Dealer Inventory - Lincolnwood, IL Comments: Vehicle offered for sale 2/24/2006 Mileage: 49,398 Source: Dealer Inventory - Palatine, IL Comments: Vehicle offered for sale 3/10/2006 Mileage: 49,398 Source: Illinois Motor Vehicle Dept - Chicago, IL Comments: Title issued or updated. New owner reported. Can anyone summarize this for me? This car has bounced around a few states, has been sold at auction twice, and has been offered for sale twice with some pretty long gaps in between. Any red flags here? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! - Dave |
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Carfax vehicle history - suspicious?
That's a fairly unremarkable history. Auction sales sometimes indicate
repossession, but it's not likely in this case because of the car's fleet and dealer use, and also because just two months transpired between title changes. Just from the record it looks like the car was bought new by a private party, 41K miles put on it, then sold to a company for fleet use (and fortunately only 8K miles was put on it during this period -- fleet use is second only to rental use in terms of general abuse that cars receive). > wrote in message ups.com... > I'm in the chicago area and I'm looking to buy this car from a local > Chevy dealer: > > 2003 Toyota Camry LE Sedan 4 DR > 2.4L L4 EFI DOHC 16V > Equipment: Standard > Mileage: 49,500 > Asking price: $13K > > Kelly Blue book (Trade in value - Good condition) is about $11K for my > zip code (60004). Cosmetically the car is in excellent condition. The > body has no rust, paint is in great shape with no scratches, dents or > dings that I can see. The interior is also great, no fading, stains, > rips or tears that I can see. It rides great, and I'm going to take it > to a mechanic for an inspection. > > The Chevy dealer will sell it to me for $12,300. They gave me a copy of > it's Carfax report, and I'm wondering how to decipher it: > > 8/25/2003 > Mileage: > Source: NICB > Comments: Vehicle manufactured and shipped to original dealer. > > 9/04/2003 > Mileage: 3 > Source: Service Facility > Comments: Vehicle serviced. > > 9/05/2003 > Mileage: 3 > Source: Dealer Inventory Kentucky > Comments: Vehicle sold > > 9/15/2003 > Mileage: 3 > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Louisville, Kentucky > Comments: Registered as a personal vehicle > > 9/18/2003 > Mileage: 11 > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Louisville, Kentucky > Comments: Title or registration issued. First owner reported. Loan or > lien reported. > > 2/25/2005 > Mileage: 41,328 > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Cedar Rapids, IA > Comments: Title or registration issued. > > 4/28/2005 > Mileage: 49,391 > Source: Auto Auction > Comments: Sold at auction in Southeast Region. Listed as a fleet > vehicle. > > 4/29/2005 > Mileage: 49,391 > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Elizabethtown, Kentucky > Comments: Title or registration issued. New owner reported. > > 5/12/2005 > Mileage: 49,398 > Source: Auto Auction > Comments: Sold at auction in Southeast Region. Listed as a dealer > vehicle. > > 5/312005 > Mileage: 49,398 > Source: Dealer Inventory - Lincolnwood, IL > Comments: Vehicle offered for sale > > 2/24/2006 > Mileage: 49,398 > Source: Dealer Inventory - Palatine, IL > Comments: Vehicle offered for sale > > 3/10/2006 > Mileage: 49,398 > Source: Illinois Motor Vehicle Dept - Chicago, IL > Comments: Title issued or updated. New owner reported. > > Can anyone summarize this for me? This car has bounced around a few > states, has been sold at auction twice, and has been offered for sale > twice with some pretty long gaps in between. Any red flags here? Any > help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > > - Dave > |
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Thanks for the reply Mark. What you said makes sense.
The only other thing I'm wondering about is the fact that the car sat on one dealers lot for 8 months (5/312005 - 2/24/2006) without being sold, and then another dealers lot for 2 months (2/24/2006 - Present) until I walked up and test drove it yesterday. I would imagine the Camry, as a pretty popular car, would be fairly easy to sell. Is this normal for a car to sit on a dealers lot for this long? Mark_M wrote: > That's a fairly unremarkable history. Auction sales sometimes indicate > repossession, but it's not likely in this case because of the car's fleet > and dealer use, and also because just two months transpired between > title changes. > > Just from the record it looks like the car was bought new by a private > party, 41K miles put on it, then sold to a company for fleet use (and > fortunately only 8K miles was put on it during this period -- fleet use is > second only to rental use in terms of general abuse that cars receive). > > > wrote in message ups.com... > > I'm in the chicago area and I'm looking to buy this car from a local > > Chevy dealer: > > > > 2003 Toyota Camry LE Sedan 4 DR > > 2.4L L4 EFI DOHC 16V > > Equipment: Standard > > Mileage: 49,500 > > Asking price: $13K > > > > Kelly Blue book (Trade in value - Good condition) is about $11K for my > > zip code (60004). Cosmetically the car is in excellent condition. The > > body has no rust, paint is in great shape with no scratches, dents or > > dings that I can see. The interior is also great, no fading, stains, > > rips or tears that I can see. It rides great, and I'm going to take it > > to a mechanic for an inspection. > > > > The Chevy dealer will sell it to me for $12,300. They gave me a copy of > > it's Carfax report, and I'm wondering how to decipher it: > > > > 8/25/2003 > > Mileage: > > Source: NICB > > Comments: Vehicle manufactured and shipped to original dealer. > > > > 9/04/2003 > > Mileage: 3 > > Source: Service Facility > > Comments: Vehicle serviced. > > > > 9/05/2003 > > Mileage: 3 > > Source: Dealer Inventory Kentucky > > Comments: Vehicle sold > > > > 9/15/2003 > > Mileage: 3 > > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Louisville, Kentucky > > Comments: Registered as a personal vehicle > > > > 9/18/2003 > > Mileage: 11 > > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Louisville, Kentucky > > Comments: Title or registration issued. First owner reported. Loan or > > lien reported. > > > > 2/25/2005 > > Mileage: 41,328 > > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Cedar Rapids, IA > > Comments: Title or registration issued. > > > > 4/28/2005 > > Mileage: 49,391 > > Source: Auto Auction > > Comments: Sold at auction in Southeast Region. Listed as a fleet > > vehicle. > > > > 4/29/2005 > > Mileage: 49,391 > > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Elizabethtown, Kentucky > > Comments: Title or registration issued. New owner reported. > > > > 5/12/2005 > > Mileage: 49,398 > > Source: Auto Auction > > Comments: Sold at auction in Southeast Region. Listed as a dealer > > vehicle. > > > > 5/312005 > > Mileage: 49,398 > > Source: Dealer Inventory - Lincolnwood, IL > > Comments: Vehicle offered for sale > > > > 2/24/2006 > > Mileage: 49,398 > > Source: Dealer Inventory - Palatine, IL > > Comments: Vehicle offered for sale > > > > 3/10/2006 > > Mileage: 49,398 > > Source: Illinois Motor Vehicle Dept - Chicago, IL > > Comments: Title issued or updated. New owner reported. > > > > Can anyone summarize this for me? This car has bounced around a few > > states, has been sold at auction twice, and has been offered for sale > > twice with some pretty long gaps in between. Any red flags here? Any > > help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > > > > - Dave > > |
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> wrote in message oups.com...
> Thanks for the reply Mark. What you said makes sense. > > The only other thing I'm wondering about is the fact that the car sat > on one dealers lot for 8 months (5/312005 - 2/24/2006) without being > sold, and then another dealers lot for 2 months (2/24/2006 - Present) > until I walked up and test drove it yesterday. > > I would imagine the Camry, as a pretty popular car, would be fairly > easy to sell. Is this normal for a car to sit on a dealers lot for this > long? Depends on what they were asking for the car. Also, I don't know much about Carfax reports, especially with regard to how complete they are. > Mark_M wrote: > > That's a fairly unremarkable history. Auction sales sometimes indicate > > repossession, but it's not likely in this case because of the car's fleet > > and dealer use, and also because just two months transpired between > > title changes. > > > > Just from the record it looks like the car was bought new by a private > > party, 41K miles put on it, then sold to a company for fleet use (and > > fortunately only 8K miles was put on it during this period -- fleet use is > > second only to rental use in terms of general abuse that cars receive). > > > > > wrote in message ups.com... > > > I'm in the chicago area and I'm looking to buy this car from a local > > > Chevy dealer: > > > > > > 2003 Toyota Camry LE Sedan 4 DR > > > 2.4L L4 EFI DOHC 16V > > > Equipment: Standard > > > Mileage: 49,500 > > > Asking price: $13K > > > > > > Kelly Blue book (Trade in value - Good condition) is about $11K for my > > > zip code (60004). Cosmetically the car is in excellent condition. The > > > body has no rust, paint is in great shape with no scratches, dents or > > > dings that I can see. The interior is also great, no fading, stains, > > > rips or tears that I can see. It rides great, and I'm going to take it > > > to a mechanic for an inspection. > > > > > > The Chevy dealer will sell it to me for $12,300. They gave me a copy of > > > it's Carfax report, and I'm wondering how to decipher it: > > > > > > 8/25/2003 > > > Mileage: > > > Source: NICB > > > Comments: Vehicle manufactured and shipped to original dealer. > > > > > > 9/04/2003 > > > Mileage: 3 > > > Source: Service Facility > > > Comments: Vehicle serviced. > > > > > > 9/05/2003 > > > Mileage: 3 > > > Source: Dealer Inventory Kentucky > > > Comments: Vehicle sold > > > > > > 9/15/2003 > > > Mileage: 3 > > > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Louisville, Kentucky > > > Comments: Registered as a personal vehicle > > > > > > 9/18/2003 > > > Mileage: 11 > > > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Louisville, Kentucky > > > Comments: Title or registration issued. First owner reported. Loan or > > > lien reported. > > > > > > 2/25/2005 > > > Mileage: 41,328 > > > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Cedar Rapids, IA > > > Comments: Title or registration issued. > > > > > > 4/28/2005 > > > Mileage: 49,391 > > > Source: Auto Auction > > > Comments: Sold at auction in Southeast Region. Listed as a fleet > > > vehicle. > > > > > > 4/29/2005 > > > Mileage: 49,391 > > > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Elizabethtown, Kentucky > > > Comments: Title or registration issued. New owner reported. > > > > > > 5/12/2005 > > > Mileage: 49,398 > > > Source: Auto Auction > > > Comments: Sold at auction in Southeast Region. Listed as a dealer > > > vehicle. > > > > > > 5/312005 > > > Mileage: 49,398 > > > Source: Dealer Inventory - Lincolnwood, IL > > > Comments: Vehicle offered for sale > > > > > > 2/24/2006 > > > Mileage: 49,398 > > > Source: Dealer Inventory - Palatine, IL > > > Comments: Vehicle offered for sale > > > > > > 3/10/2006 > > > Mileage: 49,398 > > > Source: Illinois Motor Vehicle Dept - Chicago, IL > > > Comments: Title issued or updated. New owner reported. > > > > > > Can anyone summarize this for me? This car has bounced around a few > > > states, has been sold at auction twice, and has been offered for sale > > > twice with some pretty long gaps in between. Any red flags here? Any > > > help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > > > > > > - Dave > > > > |
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>snip< > > Can anyone summarize this for me? This car has bounced around a few > states, has been sold at auction twice, and has been offered for sale > twice with some pretty long gaps in between. Any red flags here? Any > help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > > - Dave > Between 2/25/2005 and 4/28/2005 approximately 8000 miles were put on the car. That's 4000 miles a month. I was in the auto business many years ago. Favorite of a used car dealer was to re-register cars in different states to cover up a 'clocked' (speedo turned back) car. My opinion is to be leery with this car. |
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> wrote in message ups.com... snip > Can anyone summarize this for me? This car has bounced around a few > states, has been sold at auction twice, and has been offered for sale > twice with some pretty long gaps in between. Any red flags here? Any > help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! i don't like that it's been across several states. that's what is done when there's a title problem. if it was listed as totaled or severely damaged in one state, it may not be reflected in another, depending upon what is required. ditto for water damaged cars. |
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On Fri, 5 May 2006, Mark_M wrote: > > wrote in message oups.com... >> Thanks for the reply Mark. What you said makes sense. >> >> The only other thing I'm wondering about is the fact that the car sat >> on one dealers lot for 8 months (5/312005 - 2/24/2006) without being >> sold, and then another dealers lot for 2 months (2/24/2006 - Present) >> until I walked up and test drove it yesterday. >> >> I would imagine the Camry, as a pretty popular car, would be fairly >> easy to sell. Is this normal for a car to sit on a dealers lot for this >> long? > > Depends on what they were asking for the car. Also, I don't know > much about Carfax reports, especially with regard to how complete > they are. > what color is it? |
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barbie gee wrote: > On Fri, 5 May 2006, Mark_M wrote: > > > > wrote in message oups.com... > >> Thanks for the reply Mark. What you said makes sense. > >> > >> The only other thing I'm wondering about is the fact that the car sat > >> on one dealers lot for 8 months (5/312005 - 2/24/2006) without being > >> sold, and then another dealers lot for 2 months (2/24/2006 - Present) > >> until I walked up and test drove it yesterday. > >> > >> I would imagine the Camry, as a pretty popular car, would be fairly > >> easy to sell. Is this normal for a car to sit on a dealers lot for this > >> long? > > > > Depends on what they were asking for the car. Also, I don't know > > much about Carfax reports, especially with regard to how complete > > they are. > > > > what color is it? Phantom gray pearl. It looks sharp. Wanna go for a ride in it? |
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