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  #231  
Old November 5th 04, 04:42 PM
linda
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Matt Whiting wrote:
> Daniel J. Stern wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Dan Gates wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Sometimes the cure hurts a few a little bit. But it saves most people
>>> that have to use it.

>>
>>
>>
>> Christ, here we go again with another true-believer airbag freak who
>> hasn't looked at the actual numbers, hasn't seen that statistically
>> one is
>> safer with a 3-point belt and NO airbag than one is with a 3-point belt
>> AND an airbag, but nevertheless he's absolutely sure that airbatgs are
>> the
>> "cure".

>
>
> And safer still with a five-point harness, a full-face helmet and Nomex
> suit. The reality is that many people don't use their seat belts and
> thus the air bag is what we get.
>
>
> Matt



Matt, i think what you are talking about is more in David's (deadbeat)
area of concern.. might want to talk to him...

lw
>

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  #232  
Old November 5th 04, 04:44 PM
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Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
> It is extraordinary how many people don't want to put on seatbelts,
> especially when they are in the back seat. They think they will be 'safe'.
>
> Especially if I carry visitors from certain places overseas or am driving
> abroad myself and I ask people to buckle up (having waited a bit to give 'em
> time) I get the question whether it's a legal requirement.
>
> And how children are treated, even in London. Bouncing about in the back
> or, equally bad (or worse), being held by a woman (mother???) on the front
> seat. Makes me want to scream or call the police or something....
>
> DAS

Dori, i have called the police... especially when i see mother
holding her child while driving or a dad with his 5 of his under 6 years
of age kids in the front seat of his pick up truck...

linda
  #233  
Old November 5th 04, 04:44 PM
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Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
> It is extraordinary how many people don't want to put on seatbelts,
> especially when they are in the back seat. They think they will be 'safe'.
>
> Especially if I carry visitors from certain places overseas or am driving
> abroad myself and I ask people to buckle up (having waited a bit to give 'em
> time) I get the question whether it's a legal requirement.
>
> And how children are treated, even in London. Bouncing about in the back
> or, equally bad (or worse), being held by a woman (mother???) on the front
> seat. Makes me want to scream or call the police or something....
>
> DAS

Dori, i have called the police... especially when i see mother
holding her child while driving or a dad with his 5 of his under 6 years
of age kids in the front seat of his pick up truck...

linda
  #234  
Old November 5th 04, 04:48 PM
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Bill, this was kind of cruel... but i appreciate the humor and have
found it on line and will share it with my scientific friends and see if
they fall for it "hook line and sinker" like i did....

but having worked in toxicology for 30 years, i found out that water
(DHMO) is actually toxic, everything is toxic... EVERYTHING! it is just
a matter of the amount... i have a friend who died from DMHO
toxicity...... yep, she drowned... real sad.. good friend, hated to lose
her...

lw

Bill Putney wrote:
> linda wrote:
>
>> then what can be done? talking to senators, representatives? find
>> lawyers who would litigate these matters?
>> find people who are injured and have them go to a congressional
>> hearing? i am thinking large now.. these other folks have
>> me all worked up over their inability to research properly before they
>> type.

>
>
> Linda,
> Have I got a cause for you! Take a look at http://www.dhmo.org. It's
> all about an awful chemical called Dihydrogen Monoxide. Here's how bad
> it is: If you inhale it, it will kill you - and it doesn't have to be a
> large amount. Thousands of people die in the U.S. alone each year from
> this chemical that it turns out is just about everywhere you look in our
> society. Our lakes and streams are full of it. And guess what: It is
> used in the manufacture of styrofaom cups that we drink out of, and the
> styrofoam retains this chemical!! A city on California recently was
> considering a ban of styrofaom cups at city-sponsored events. You might
> check with your local officials to see if they could consider doing
> something like that too.
>
> From that web site, here are just a few facts associated with the
> problem chemical - this ought to whet your appetite:
> Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
> Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
> Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not
> typically life-threatening side-effects.
> DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
> Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
> Contributes to soil erosion.
> Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
> Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
> Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
> Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
> Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere.
> Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino
> weather effect
>
> Bill Putney
> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> adddress with the letter 'x')
>
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  #235  
Old November 5th 04, 04:48 PM
linda
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Bill, this was kind of cruel... but i appreciate the humor and have
found it on line and will share it with my scientific friends and see if
they fall for it "hook line and sinker" like i did....

but having worked in toxicology for 30 years, i found out that water
(DHMO) is actually toxic, everything is toxic... EVERYTHING! it is just
a matter of the amount... i have a friend who died from DMHO
toxicity...... yep, she drowned... real sad.. good friend, hated to lose
her...

lw

Bill Putney wrote:
> linda wrote:
>
>> then what can be done? talking to senators, representatives? find
>> lawyers who would litigate these matters?
>> find people who are injured and have them go to a congressional
>> hearing? i am thinking large now.. these other folks have
>> me all worked up over their inability to research properly before they
>> type.

>
>
> Linda,
> Have I got a cause for you! Take a look at http://www.dhmo.org. It's
> all about an awful chemical called Dihydrogen Monoxide. Here's how bad
> it is: If you inhale it, it will kill you - and it doesn't have to be a
> large amount. Thousands of people die in the U.S. alone each year from
> this chemical that it turns out is just about everywhere you look in our
> society. Our lakes and streams are full of it. And guess what: It is
> used in the manufacture of styrofaom cups that we drink out of, and the
> styrofoam retains this chemical!! A city on California recently was
> considering a ban of styrofaom cups at city-sponsored events. You might
> check with your local officials to see if they could consider doing
> something like that too.
>
> From that web site, here are just a few facts associated with the
> problem chemical - this ought to whet your appetite:
> Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
> Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
> Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not
> typically life-threatening side-effects.
> DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
> Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
> Contributes to soil erosion.
> Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
> Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
> Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
> Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
> Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere.
> Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino
> weather effect
>
> Bill Putney
> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> adddress with the letter 'x')
>
>
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  #236  
Old November 5th 04, 04:50 PM
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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> "Bill Putney" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>linda wrote:
>>
>>
>>>then what can be done? talking to senators, representatives? find
>>>lawyers who would litigate these matters?
>>>find people who are injured and have them go to a congressional hearing?
>>> i am thinking large now.. these other folks have
>>>me all worked up over their inability to research properly before they
>>>type.

>>
>>Linda,
>>Have I got a cause for you! Take a look at http://www.dhmo.org.

>
>
> Bill, you are a cruel, cruel *******. You know she's going to fall for this.
> I loved the site though, particularly the MSDS!
>
> Ted
>
>


this is definitely a men's club and women are not welcome, are they????
thanks for the joke... cruel as it was, after i got over the initial
hurt, i found it funny and will send off to folks i know.. (i can be
cruel too!!! :-)

  #237  
Old November 5th 04, 04:50 PM
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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> "Bill Putney" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>linda wrote:
>>
>>
>>>then what can be done? talking to senators, representatives? find
>>>lawyers who would litigate these matters?
>>>find people who are injured and have them go to a congressional hearing?
>>> i am thinking large now.. these other folks have
>>>me all worked up over their inability to research properly before they
>>>type.

>>
>>Linda,
>>Have I got a cause for you! Take a look at http://www.dhmo.org.

>
>
> Bill, you are a cruel, cruel *******. You know she's going to fall for this.
> I loved the site though, particularly the MSDS!
>
> Ted
>
>


this is definitely a men's club and women are not welcome, are they????
thanks for the joke... cruel as it was, after i got over the initial
hurt, i found it funny and will send off to folks i know.. (i can be
cruel too!!! :-)

  #238  
Old November 5th 04, 04:52 PM
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Bob Shuman wrote:
> Linda,
>
> I'm glad you figured out that "DHMO" is what most people commonly call
> "water". I agree that Bill directing you to the H2O web site was mean
> spirited, but I believe that Bill succeeded in driving home the point that
> you need to do your research first and be knowledgeable of the facts before
> you post if you want others to support your views.
>
> Unfortunately the Internet in general and NewsGroup (NG) forums like this
> one in particular, make it all too easy for anyone and everyone to post
> anything they want (even blatantly erroneous information) and portray that
> information as factual. (Note that I am not saying your original post was
> not factual, just that I, like most of the other experienced NG readers took
> it with "a grain of salt".) If you want to be taken seriously, then you
> absolutely need to do the homework and post the facts along with
> references/sources so that intelligent people can take a look and decide on
> their own.
>
> By the way, part of the reason that you got the responses that you did is
> because the purpose for the existence of this NG (rec.autos.makers.chrysler)
> is to allow Chrysler car owners to share their experiences regarding
> ownership and maintenance of their vehicles. As such, your message was
> likely considered initially as "off topic" by most or in the worst case, a
> "troll" sent simply to elicit as many replies as possible to "harvest" email
> accounts for sale to "spammers", etc.
>
> After you have been around NGs for a while, you will come to learn that most
> of the communications that occurs is polite and respectful, but there will
> always be some who are disrespectful to others. There are many reasons why
> people behave the way that they do and I won't begin to explain the actions
> of others. Suffice it to say that you need to be thick skinned, open to
> others ideas/input, and exercise good judgment before choosing to reply to
> post, especially when it is in response to a personal attack.
>
> Welcome to UseNet. It really is a wonderful tool for finding out about just
> about anything and learning from others if you have the patience to sort out
> facts from fiction.


Bob, thanks for the welcome! and thanks for the advice..

linda
>
> Bob
>
>
> "linda" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>To Bill and Ted ONLY:
>>
>>i can do two things in regards to your being rude and mean....
>>
>>1. tuck my tail and run ....
>>
>>2. remind my self that the world is filled with assholes and go on...i
>>like option 2...
>>
>>Your posts are the world's greatest proof of reincarnation; no one could
>>get that dumb in just one lifetime.
>>

>
>
>

  #239  
Old November 5th 04, 04:52 PM
linda
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Bob Shuman wrote:
> Linda,
>
> I'm glad you figured out that "DHMO" is what most people commonly call
> "water". I agree that Bill directing you to the H2O web site was mean
> spirited, but I believe that Bill succeeded in driving home the point that
> you need to do your research first and be knowledgeable of the facts before
> you post if you want others to support your views.
>
> Unfortunately the Internet in general and NewsGroup (NG) forums like this
> one in particular, make it all too easy for anyone and everyone to post
> anything they want (even blatantly erroneous information) and portray that
> information as factual. (Note that I am not saying your original post was
> not factual, just that I, like most of the other experienced NG readers took
> it with "a grain of salt".) If you want to be taken seriously, then you
> absolutely need to do the homework and post the facts along with
> references/sources so that intelligent people can take a look and decide on
> their own.
>
> By the way, part of the reason that you got the responses that you did is
> because the purpose for the existence of this NG (rec.autos.makers.chrysler)
> is to allow Chrysler car owners to share their experiences regarding
> ownership and maintenance of their vehicles. As such, your message was
> likely considered initially as "off topic" by most or in the worst case, a
> "troll" sent simply to elicit as many replies as possible to "harvest" email
> accounts for sale to "spammers", etc.
>
> After you have been around NGs for a while, you will come to learn that most
> of the communications that occurs is polite and respectful, but there will
> always be some who are disrespectful to others. There are many reasons why
> people behave the way that they do and I won't begin to explain the actions
> of others. Suffice it to say that you need to be thick skinned, open to
> others ideas/input, and exercise good judgment before choosing to reply to
> post, especially when it is in response to a personal attack.
>
> Welcome to UseNet. It really is a wonderful tool for finding out about just
> about anything and learning from others if you have the patience to sort out
> facts from fiction.


Bob, thanks for the welcome! and thanks for the advice..

linda
>
> Bob
>
>
> "linda" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>To Bill and Ted ONLY:
>>
>>i can do two things in regards to your being rude and mean....
>>
>>1. tuck my tail and run ....
>>
>>2. remind my self that the world is filled with assholes and go on...i
>>like option 2...
>>
>>Your posts are the world's greatest proof of reincarnation; no one could
>>get that dumb in just one lifetime.
>>

>
>
>

  #240  
Old November 5th 04, 04:54 PM
linda
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yes, Dori, there are at least two male posting police, but they are just
going to have to get used to the fact that i am going to do whatever i
feel like at the time..sometimes i obey, sometimes i don't.... typical
of us females, huh????
and men too...:-)


Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
> So do I, and the Posting Police has been after me, too...
>
> There are one or two male ranters here, too, don't you think?
>
> DAS

 




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