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Maxi-Frig for R12/R134A ?
Has anyone used Maxi-Frig? It sounds too good to be true?
http://www.maxifrig.com/moreinfo.html tnx Hank |
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Yet another brand name for the same old illegal, dangerous
hydrocarbon (isopropane/isobutane) blend. Does it work? Yeah, it works. Is it safe? The sellers say yes, but can't seem to provide enough supporting data, despite 15 years of trying, to pass the refrigerant safety tests ALL refrigerants are required to pass before they're legally approved. The sellers claim it's due to politics and Big Refrigerant Inc's desire to own the market. You decide. Is it smart to use? No. Virtually no A/C service shop will *touch* a system that has had a hydrocarbon refrigerant installed. Working on it would contaminate their equipment and their stocks of reclaimed and recycled refrigerant. Those few shops willing to work on such tainted systems charge a great deal of money to get rid of the illegal refrigerant, flush the system and install legal refrigerant. On Fri, 20 May 2005, Henry Kolesnik wrote: > Has anyone used Maxi-Frig? It sounds too good to be true? > http://www.maxifrig.com/moreinfo.html > > tnx > Hank > > > |
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Ask at www.aircondition.com, but since no information is given about
what the product is, I have great doubts. It may be like OZ-12, which was nothing but a blend of propane and butane, something you definitely don't want in a car. |
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Daniel J. Stern > wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2005 wrote: > > Ask at www.aircondition.com, but since no information is given about > > what the product is, I have great doubts. It may be like OZ-12, which > > was nothing but a blend of propane and butane, something you definitely > > don't want in a car. > The Maxi-Frig designation MX-12a is a dead giveaway. HC-12a, ES-12a > "EnviroSafe", etc. -- they're all the same illegal hydrocarbon blend. What country are they illegal in??? Yeah, I thought so... Read up on the stuff and see what you think. It is no more dangerous than that large tank with gasoline that rides behind you when you are driving your vehicle. That is my opinion... |
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In article > ,
"Henry Kolesnik" > wrote: > Has anyone used Maxi-Frig? It sounds too good to be true? > http://www.maxifrig.com/moreinfo.html > > tnx > Hank Here we go again... |
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> > > What country are they illegal in??? Yeah, I thought so... Read up > on the stuff and see what you think. It is no more dangerous than > that large tank with gasoline that rides behind you when you are driving > your vehicle. That is my opinion... The "large tank with gasoline that resides behind you" is subjected to crashworthiness testing when the car was manufactured. Its in a protected location, with various protections to prevent it from spilling, rupturing, or bursting into flame. The AC condensor that is the FIRST thing to break in a head-on collision is NOT crashworthiness tested when filled with butane/propane blend. The blower motor inside the car with the evaporator coil is not spark-arrested for use in an environment where butane/propane might leak out. Do I think cars with propane/butane refrignerant are rolling time-bombs? Not really. But its foolish to pretend that they don't have a higher risk of fire or explosion. The question I'd ask myself, is "why take ANY risk when there are so many safe, non-flammable alternatives?" |
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The US for one. ANY flammable blend is illegal.
The EPA has made it illegal to use flammable refrigerants in motor vehicle air conditioning systems. Each potential new refrigerant must be tested according to the American Society of Testing Materials (ASTM) E-681 testing method to determine flammability. In addition to testing the refrigerant itself, if a blend contains a flammable component, the EPA requires leak testing to ensure that the composition does not change during a leak and become flammable. http://www.epa.gov/ozone/snap/refrigerants/hc-12a.html OZ-12 - unacceptable - 3/18/94 OZ Technology Flammable blend of hydrocarbons; insufficient data to demonstrate safety. R-176 - unacceptable - 3/18/94 Arctic Chill Contains CFC-12, which is inappropriate in a CFC-12 substitute. HC-12a - unacceptable - 6/13/95 OZ Technology Flammable blend of hydrocarbons; insufficient data to demonstrate safety. R-405A - unacceptable - 6/13/95 Greencool Contains a perfluorocarbon, which has extremely high global warming potential and lifetime. There has also not been any single refrigerant or blend that is a direct drop-in for R-12 in automotive air conditioning systems. -- Steve Williams "Edward Strauss" > wrote in message ... > Daniel J. Stern > wrote: > > On Thu, 19 May 2005 wrote: > > > > Ask at www.aircondition.com, but since no information is given about > > > what the product is, I have great doubts. It may be like OZ-12, which > > > was nothing but a blend of propane and butane, something you definitely > > > don't want in a car. > > > The Maxi-Frig designation MX-12a is a dead giveaway. HC-12a, ES-12a > > "EnviroSafe", etc. -- they're all the same illegal hydrocarbon blend. > > > > What country are they illegal in??? Yeah, I thought so... Read up > on the stuff and see what you think. It is no more dangerous than > that large tank with gasoline that rides behind you when you are driving > your vehicle. That is my opinion... > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Fri, 20 May 2005, Edward Strauss wrote:
> > The Maxi-Frig designation MX-12a is a dead giveaway. HC-12a, ES-12a > > "EnviroSafe", etc. -- they're all the same illegal hydrocarbon blend. > > > > What country are they illegal in? The US. > It is no more dangerous than > that large tank with gasoline that rides behind you when you are driving > your vehicle. The fuel system is specifically designed to store and transport flammable fluid. The A/C system is not. |
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