Oil-filter removal (2004 Jeep Liberty)

First you start with the marketing folks. After that, you might not need
to blame the engineers any more.


Will Honea proclaimed:

> I've been saying the same thing about the engineers since the first
> time I had to remove the right rear exhaust manifold bolt form a 1955
> Ford V8! So far, the message hasn't seemed to progress to the action
> stage...
>
> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 00:10:50 UTC "Bruce Yelen" > wrote:
>
>
>>I use a socket extender on the end of the wrench. My hands aren't
>>particulary small, and it's a real hassel getting up in there to tighten the
>>new filter. As far as removing the old gasketing, I've been pretty lucky in
>>that normally nothing is left in there. I took a short piece of 1/4 inch
>>wooden dowel and cut the end into a scraper. It gives me just enough reach
>>to clean the face of the seat.
>>
>>I think it should be mandatory for all automotive design engineers to spend
>>at least 6 months in the shops serviceing and working on what they design.
>>I bet things would be better (grin)!
>>
>>-Bruce
>>
>>
>>"L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>> You must have really small hands. Or how do clean the gasket seat
>>>making sure the old gasket isn't stuck there?
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/
>>>
>>>Bruce Yelen wrote:
>>>
>>>>I use an end-cap wrench I found at Napa. Here's a pictu
>>>>http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/CAL-988.html . One thing that WAS
>>>>done
>>>>right, was I found on my '03 that they bolted in a spout so that as you
>>>>remove the filter, all of that oil will spill out of one point, allowing
>>>>you
>>>>to place your pan to avoid making a mess!
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Bruce
>>
>>
>
>

Will Honea wrote:
> I've been saying the same thing about the engineers since the first
> time I had to remove the right rear exhaust manifold bolt form a 1955
> Ford V8! So far, the message hasn't seemed to progress to the action
> stage...
>
>

And when was the last time they made a 1955 Ford V8? <grin>

I think they were still using the same basic engine up till a couple years
ago.

"user" > wrote in message
...
> Will Honea wrote:
>> I've been saying the same thing about the engineers since the first time
>> I had to remove the right rear exhaust manifold bolt form a 1955 Ford V8!
>> So far, the message hasn't seemed to progress to the action stage...
>>
>>
>
> And when was the last time they made a 1955 Ford V8? <grin>

Nope: http://www.bacomatic.org/%7edw/fordv8/fordshop.htm You're
thinking of Chevy small block.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> I think they were still using the same basic engine up till a couple years
> ago.

No, the 272/292/312 block was Ford's first cut at an overhead valve
V8. Before 55, they had the old flathead V8 and some of the
carry-over stuff was bad enough to make for a short life for the
orginal design. Things like solid lifters, etc. and the bore/stroke
ratios were fiddled with for a few years before the newer castings and
(especially) new heads came out to fix the problems. They never did
make one that was easy to work on, tho. I know of garages that kept a
special rack of "Ford Wrenches" - most heated and bent to reach some
specific bolt nothing else could get to.

On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:34:48 UTC "billy ray" >
wrote:

> I think they were still using the same basic engine up till a couple years
> ago.
>
> "user" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Will Honea wrote:
> >> I've been saying the same thing about the engineers since the first time
> >> I had to remove the right rear exhaust manifold bolt form a 1955 Ford V8!
> >> So far, the message hasn't seemed to progress to the action stage...
> >>
> >>
> >
> > And when was the last time they made a 1955 Ford V8? <grin>
>
>


--
Will Honea

I was thinking of the 221 block that was in use from 1962 till 1995.

"Will Honea" > wrote in message
...
> No, the 272/292/312 block was Ford's first cut at an overhead valve
> V8. Before 55, they had the old flathead V8 and some of the
> carry-over stuff was bad enough to make for a short life for the
> orginal design. Things like solid lifters, etc. and the bore/stroke
> ratios were fiddled with for a few years before the newer castings and
> (especially) new heads came out to fix the problems. They never did
> make one that was easy to work on, tho. I know of garages that kept a
> special rack of "Ford Wrenches" - most heated and bent to reach some
> specific bolt nothing else could get to.
>
> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:34:48 UTC "billy ray" >
> wrote:
>
>> I think they were still using the same basic engine up till a couple
>> years
>> ago.
>>
>> "user" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Will Honea wrote:
>> >> I've been saying the same thing about the engineers since the first
>> >> time
>> >> I had to remove the right rear exhaust manifold bolt form a 1955 Ford
>> >> V8!
>> >> So far, the message hasn't seemed to progress to the action stage...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > And when was the last time they made a 1955 Ford V8? <grin>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Will Honea

"Bruce Yelen" > wrote
>
> I think it should be mandatory for all automotive design engineers to
> spend at least 6 months in the shops serviceing and working on what they
> design. I bet things would be better (grin)!
>
> -Bruce

That's a GREAT idea!
I really wonder sometimes how they figure the things they do.

Kate

you need to get a K-D oil filter wrench that you attach to a rachet. Which
is easily found on ebay.THE best tool I've ever used to get an oil filter
off. it can even get the
filters that have been over tighten by dealers and oil change places. I
use one for my cherokee and mustang and another for my acura.
THE BEST!
never drive a screw driver through the filter! when you try to twist it
off the screw driver tears through the very thin metal of the filter.
dumbest idea i've ever had!

wrote:
> (I'm amazed that there were 56 responses to my original posting!)
>
>
>
> I ended up taking my Liberty to EZ-Lube to do the oil change.
>
> Normally, they'd charge my $32 for the oil change and 14-point
> check-up.
>
> But, since I had already bought the 6 quarts of oil and the oil filter
> and had a coupon, it cost me only $15.00!
>
> They even returned the 1/2 quart of extra oil they couldn't use.
>
> (Hopefully they didn't over-tighten the oil filter so, next time, I can
> do the work myself -- which I prefer to do).

Hi Gary

For what it's worth, here is a link to the exact oil filter wrench I
prefer:
http://www.gz-lhme.com.cn/productview.asp?id=180
It is made by 3.peaks and has part number KW-200.
It has never let me down.

Merrill