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Women Busted for DUI For Pushing Car
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/irresisti...78/detail.html
--- Start --- PORTAGE, Ind. -- Drunken driving can also be drunken pushing -- at least to police in Portage, Ind. Kaylyn Kezy and Melissa Fredenburg both face DUI charges after the car they were pushing crashed into a parked car. Police said the women took turns pushing the non-running car while the other steered. After the accident, officers said both women tested with a blood-alcohol level more than twice the legal limit. Prosecutor Adam Burroughs admitted the case might be a tough one to prove in court. But he noted that the women were in effect operating the vehicle -- even though the car wasn't running at the time. --- End --- They obviously knew they were trying to skirt a law, and still were manuevering a vehicle at some speed on public roadways. If this gets thrown out I'll be shocked. Dave |
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On 27 Jul 2005 17:46:51 -0700, "Dave" > wrote:
>http://www.nbcsandiego.com/irresisti...78/detail.html > >--- Start --- > >PORTAGE, Ind. -- Drunken driving can also be drunken pushing -- at >least to police in Portage, Ind. > >Kaylyn Kezy and Melissa Fredenburg both face DUI charges after the car >they were pushing crashed into a parked car. Police said the women took >turns pushing the non-running car while the other steered. > >After the accident, officers said both women tested with a >blood-alcohol level more than twice the legal limit. > >Prosecutor Adam Burroughs admitted the case might be a tough one to >prove in court. But he noted that the women were in effect operating >the vehicle -- even though the car wasn't running at the time. > >--- End --- > >They obviously knew they were trying to skirt a law, and still were >manuevering a vehicle at some speed on public roadways. If this gets >thrown out I'll be shocked. > >Dave Any excuse for an arrest. This might have been OK for "public drunkedness" but is amazingly clear that this is _not_ what any legislature has in mind when it passes stiff drunk driving laws. Dave Head |
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Dave Head wrote:
> On 27 Jul 2005 17:46:51 -0700, "Dave" > wrote: > > >http://www.nbcsandiego.com/irresisti...78/detail.html > > > >--- Start --- > > > >PORTAGE, Ind. -- Drunken driving can also be drunken pushing -- at > >least to police in Portage, Ind. > > > >Kaylyn Kezy and Melissa Fredenburg both face DUI charges after the car > >they were pushing crashed into a parked car. Police said the women took > >turns pushing the non-running car while the other steered. > > > >After the accident, officers said both women tested with a > >blood-alcohol level more than twice the legal limit. > > > >Prosecutor Adam Burroughs admitted the case might be a tough one to > >prove in court. But he noted that the women were in effect operating > >the vehicle -- even though the car wasn't running at the time. > > > >--- End --- > > > >They obviously knew they were trying to skirt a law, and still were > >manuevering a vehicle at some speed on public roadways. If this gets > >thrown out I'll be shocked. > > > >Dave > > Any excuse for an arrest. This might have been OK for "public drunkedness" but > is amazingly clear that this is _not_ what any legislature has in mind when it > passes stiff drunk driving laws. > > Dave Head Yeah, but they 'crashed' into a parked car. Dumb ! Very DUMB ! Graham |
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:40:26 GMT, Dave Head > wrote:
>>They obviously knew they were trying to skirt a law, and still were >>manuevering a vehicle at some speed on public roadways. If this gets >>thrown out I'll be shocked. > >Any excuse for an arrest. This might have been OK for "public drunkedness" but >is amazingly clear that this is _not_ what any legislature has in mind when it >passes stiff drunk driving laws. Would you be so forgiving if that was YOUR car they crashed into? These dumb ****s managed to crash a car even though it wasn't even running. If that's not within the spirit of the law, then what is? |
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:38:42 +0100, Pooh Bear
> wrote: >Dave Head wrote: > >> On 27 Jul 2005 17:46:51 -0700, "Dave" > wrote: >> >> >http://www.nbcsandiego.com/irresisti...78/detail.html >> > >> >--- Start --- >> > >> >PORTAGE, Ind. -- Drunken driving can also be drunken pushing -- at >> >least to police in Portage, Ind. >> > >> >Kaylyn Kezy and Melissa Fredenburg both face DUI charges after the car >> >they were pushing crashed into a parked car. Police said the women took >> >turns pushing the non-running car while the other steered. >> > >> >After the accident, officers said both women tested with a >> >blood-alcohol level more than twice the legal limit. >> > >> >Prosecutor Adam Burroughs admitted the case might be a tough one to >> >prove in court. But he noted that the women were in effect operating >> >the vehicle -- even though the car wasn't running at the time. >> > >> >--- End --- >> > >> >They obviously knew they were trying to skirt a law, and still were >> >manuevering a vehicle at some speed on public roadways. If this gets >> >thrown out I'll be shocked. >> > >> >Dave >> >> Any excuse for an arrest. This might have been OK for "public drunkedness" but >> is amazingly clear that this is _not_ what any legislature has in mind when it >> passes stiff drunk driving laws. >> >> Dave Head > >Yeah, but they 'crashed' into a parked car. > >Dumb ! Very DUMB ! > >Graham Yep - pretty brain dead - but not in the league of the really high-risk activity that is _real_ drunk driving. DPH > |
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:53:02 -0700, Scott en Aztlán
> wrote: >On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:40:26 GMT, Dave Head > wrote: > >>>They obviously knew they were trying to skirt a law, and still were >>>manuevering a vehicle at some speed on public roadways. If this gets >>>thrown out I'll be shocked. >> >>Any excuse for an arrest. This might have been OK for "public drunkedness" but >>is amazingly clear that this is _not_ what any legislature has in mind when it >>passes stiff drunk driving laws. > >Would you be so forgiving if that was YOUR car they crashed into? I wouldn't want 'em facing such bogus charges as drunk driving. Drunk driving laws are a sledgehammer used to swat a fly in this case. A public drunkedness charge would be quite sufficient for me. And, besides, the car is insured - they damaged a _thing_, not a _person_, and had a not-very-high probability of actually hurting someone, unlike the situation that occurs when someone actually drives after drinking. >These dumb ****s managed to crash a car even though it wasn't even >running. If that's not within the spirit of the law, then what is? Its not within the spirit of the drunk driving law. They weren't _driving_, they were _pushing_. DPH |
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Dave Head wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:38:42 +0100, Pooh Bear > > wrote: > > >Dave Head wrote: > > > >> On 27 Jul 2005 17:46:51 -0700, "Dave" > wrote: > >> > >> >http://www.nbcsandiego.com/irresisti...78/detail.html > >> > > >> >--- Start --- > >> > > >> >PORTAGE, Ind. -- Drunken driving can also be drunken pushing -- at > >> >least to police in Portage, Ind. > >> > > >> >Kaylyn Kezy and Melissa Fredenburg both face DUI charges after the car > >> >they were pushing crashed into a parked car. Police said the women took > >> >turns pushing the non-running car while the other steered. > >> > > >> >After the accident, officers said both women tested with a > >> >blood-alcohol level more than twice the legal limit. > >> > > >> >Prosecutor Adam Burroughs admitted the case might be a tough one to > >> >prove in court. But he noted that the women were in effect operating > >> >the vehicle -- even though the car wasn't running at the time. > >> > > >> >--- End --- > >> > > >> >They obviously knew they were trying to skirt a law, and still were > >> >manuevering a vehicle at some speed on public roadways. If this gets > >> >thrown out I'll be shocked. > >> > > >> >Dave > >> > >> Any excuse for an arrest. This might have been OK for "public drunkedness" but > >> is amazingly clear that this is _not_ what any legislature has in mind when it > >> passes stiff drunk driving laws. > >> > >> Dave Head > > > >Yeah, but they 'crashed' into a parked car. > > > >Dumb ! Very DUMB ! > > > >Graham > > Yep - pretty brain dead - but not in the league of the really high-risk > activity that is _real_ drunk driving. I tend to agree but for heavens sake couldn't they *miss* a parked car ? I bet they were well loaded. Why didn't they just leave the car where it was ? If they were Olympic athletes I could understand maybe that they would get some exercise form car-pushing but somehow I don't think this was the case ! Graham |
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"Scott en Aztlán" wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:40:26 GMT, Dave Head > wrote: > > >>They obviously knew they were trying to skirt a law, and still were > >>manuevering a vehicle at some speed on public roadways. If this gets > >>thrown out I'll be shocked. > > > >Any excuse for an arrest. This might have been OK for "public drunkedness" but > >is amazingly clear that this is _not_ what any legislature has in mind when it > >passes stiff drunk driving laws. > > Would you be so forgiving if that was YOUR car they crashed into? > > These dumb ****s managed to crash a car even though it wasn't even > running. If that's not within the spirit of the law, then what is? Indeed. If you screw up even 'pushing' a car, one barely dares to imagine what damage could be done by actively 'driving' it ! Graham |
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Dave Head wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:53:02 -0700, Scott en Aztlán > > wrote: > > >On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:40:26 GMT, Dave Head > wrote: > > > >>>They obviously knew they were trying to skirt a law, and still were > >>>manuevering a vehicle at some speed on public roadways. If this gets > >>>thrown out I'll be shocked. > >> > >>Any excuse for an arrest. This might have been OK for "public drunkedness" but > >>is amazingly clear that this is _not_ what any legislature has in mind when it > >>passes stiff drunk driving laws. > > > >Would you be so forgiving if that was YOUR car they crashed into? > > I wouldn't want 'em facing such bogus charges as drunk driving. Drunk driving > laws are a sledgehammer used to swat a fly in this case. A public drunkedness > charge would be quite sufficient for me. And, besides, the car is insured - > they damaged a _thing_, not a _person_, and had a not-very-high probability of > actually hurting someone, unlike the situation that occurs when someone > actually drives after drinking. > > >These dumb ****s managed to crash a car even though it wasn't even > >running. If that's not within the spirit of the law, then what is? > > Its not within the spirit of the drunk driving law. They weren't _driving_, > they were _pushing_. But the effect was the same surely ? Basically they shouldn't have been 'drunk pushing'. Goodness knows what gave them the idea to do that ! They shouldn't even have been near any vehicle. Sorry, but I reckon they brought the wrath of the law upon themselves by being ****wits. Graham |
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Dave Head wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:38:42 +0100, Pooh Bear > > wrote: > > >Dave Head wrote: > > > >> On 27 Jul 2005 17:46:51 -0700, "Dave" > wrote: > >> > >> >http://www.nbcsandiego.com/irresisti...78/detail.html > >> > > >> >--- Start --- > >> > > >> >PORTAGE, Ind. -- Drunken driving can also be drunken pushing -- at > >> >least to police in Portage, Ind. > >> > > >> >Kaylyn Kezy and Melissa Fredenburg both face DUI charges after the car > >> >they were pushing crashed into a parked car. Police said the women took > >> >turns pushing the non-running car while the other steered. > >> > > >> >After the accident, officers said both women tested with a > >> >blood-alcohol level more than twice the legal limit. > >> > > >> >Prosecutor Adam Burroughs admitted the case might be a tough one to > >> >prove in court. But he noted that the women were in effect operating > >> >the vehicle -- even though the car wasn't running at the time. > >> > > >> >--- End --- > >> > > >> >They obviously knew they were trying to skirt a law, and still were > >> >manuevering a vehicle at some speed on public roadways. If this gets > >> >thrown out I'll be shocked. > >> > > >> >Dave > >> > >> Any excuse for an arrest. This might have been OK for "public drunkedness" but > >> is amazingly clear that this is _not_ what any legislature has in mind when it > >> passes stiff drunk driving laws. > >> > >> Dave Head > > > >Yeah, but they 'crashed' into a parked car. > > > >Dumb ! Very DUMB ! > > > >Graham > > Yep - pretty brain dead - but not in the league of the really high-risk > activity that is _real_ drunk driving. > > DPH Realistically, where do you draw the line? They were steering a moving vehicle on public roads, which other than having the engine off is clearly a DUI violation, espescially at .15 where it would start to sound like a good idea. David P Hogan (The Other DPH, am I discussing it with myself?) |
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